Arolte, unless you can come up with a name, your alligations are groundless. Also, we cant control it if someone makes an [INM]Icarus or the like, tag-stealing is fairly popular. [INM]FrapRay is not INM, and I've seen others. Perhaps I should create a [SAW]Cow and go around in a suicidal bus? Does that make me a SAW member? Nope, but no one knows the difference.

Camps: you're REALLY digging buddy, why dont you let the dead horse lie in peace. As stated, I, the INM, nor anyone else for that matter, has to justfify our actions, beliefs, or thoughts to you. Regardless to what you might think, you're not some kind of morality arbiter here, so just stop trying, mmkay?

I think we're all pretty much going in circles here, FM, mind a lock?

alienb, FM knows what he's doing. I really don't think he needs someone to tell him when to lock and when not to, and a debate isn't over just because you say it is. How do you know Arolte won't come up with a name?

And besides that, stop attacking Camps and acting like that settles the question. Camps isn't the only one you're debating with. We're telling you to get your guild in-line and follow your own rules. You say you hate a hypocrit, but we have questions that need to be addressed and most of these questions involve hypocricy in the INM.

Rest assured that I am watching this thread. While I don't care for the general tone at all, there is nothing that requires a lock yet. I generally try not to give one half of an argument the final word by locking upon request.

I think people need to relax a little.

Actually magus, if you'll read some of the earlier posts, most everyone's questions are already awnsered there. Piro's alligations of my loyalty and whatnot have been going on for some time, he's said to me that he does it for his own amusement. Anyways, read...posts... most everything's been discussed, beat up, discussed again, torn apart, etc. I was suggesting/requesting a lock, as the thread's just going in circles. Arolte wont come up with a name, if he actually had one, he'd have posted it already. He'll merely pick up the next INM member he sees and accuse him. Our guild's actions are our own, you don't like them? Too bad, you don't have to. I don't remember agreeing in the ToS that I had to make sure everyone liked me and my actions. Sorry if it sounds a little flamey, but it has to be said. We're going through a complete re-organization, and clear and set guidelines have been set. There's really nothing left to discuess here, other than petty pissing matches and groundless accusations.

If you [INM] dudes have a website with a roster I bet I could pick the name out. Anyway, what's done is done. But for the sake of argument I didn't grief anybody. I only attacked this guy once and left him alone. I guess what I'm trying to point out is that someone thought it would be nice to exploit their own clan by gettin' a whole army on someone's ass just because he/she got killed once while they were off duty. They let their own anger take control, in other words. Now... if it was an [INM] dude who was on routine patrol and SAW ME destroy an Itani ship unprovoked that would be totally justified.

PS: Careful, I see a hint of flaming there. I didn't accuse anybody, so please refrain from accusing me of being someone who would accuse someone without reason of being accused.

PPS: I'm being a good sport about it by dropping it altogether. However, I think everyone would appreciate it if the clan took a little bit of responsibility in situations like these.

Wait, alienb = Rocket Cow? I always wanted to know who Rocket Cow is ;-).

www.rogelazer.com check the Itani area. There is a list of all registerd members.

IRC was entertainment, not the allegations.

http://itani.roguelazer.com is the official site. Click on Military Members and you see our roster. [INM]Phoenix is not an INM, nor are several of the other impersonators.

Come on Alienb and Pirogoeth. You both have done well against the SAW and we are glad to have you both. Try to work it out somehow.

Rogue, why is Phoenix so annoyed at INM, anyway?

You'd have a better idea than we would...traitor..

Because he's Serco? That'd be my guess. Read up on some of the roleplaying character biographies. If people are truly roleplaying the game you might want to look there for hints as to why people behave the way they do. For example I hold a grudge against Itani, but not Serco. That's just my character.

I could say why. But I won't. It's his business, and I'm partially at fault. So I'll shut up now.

Different character behave differently towards different nations. Below is an example of the alignment of my various chars:

Magus was friendly with Itani and hated the Serco, but Magus died due to an assasination by a suicide avalon torpedo bomber.

As a result of the horror Freyr saw as a child (watching your family disintegrating in an avalon blast can be traumatic) Freyr just hates anyone who is not NT since he blames the Serco and Itani for continuing the war that has cost so many their lives.

Sir Frog is a naive idealist who likes everyone as long as they fit in one of two catergories. Either "honorable" or "innocent."

Freyr's brother doesn't really care what nation you're on. All he cares about is protecting his home planet and making money. So he'll fight alongside Sercos one day and Itanis the next depending on whoever he thinks is on the right side of the dispute. The right side for him being keeping the tradeways clear and his precious flag safe.

Alienb, take that back.

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Ok you guys claim you have rules and no kill on sight list. Earlier today I log on, and enter sector 11, [INM] Silent Suicide-TD opens fire on me killing my valk, all the other inms online at the time defend him. You guys are nothing but a bunch of griefers, so don't pull this bull about attacking only if attacked and not attacking people unprovoked.

You are in SAW. SAW declared war on INM. Think REAL hard here.

[SAW] Theta attacked INM personnel in 11, died a lot and then switched to a bus and kept attacking people. He complained about being blown up and called us griefers. We suggested he stops shooting and we let him leave. He said he prefers to stay and "being griefed". Its a lot more fun to fight good [SAW] pilots like Omega and Epsilon. Try to get more experienced pilots, please. Gamma, Theta and Sigma just run the first time they are hit or start station mining. [SAW] should have Serco's best pilots, not just any noob with a valk. Get more good pilots and lets have fun in 11 ;-).