New policy: talk less, kill more. [original text deleted, not really RPing anyway]

Let me make this clear. At it's start INM decided to be a character based group. Not a player one. I have multiple characters some of which have nothing to do with the others. Since this is a game and not reality if character A does something then lynching character B for it would be similar to lynching someone for a crime they didn't commit. This has become a bit confusing because a lot of the new members have chosen to use the same name for their INM characters as they use for their other characters with small obvious changes (like adding [INM]). This results in having the same character in both an on-duty and off-duty roll. The Itani Nation Military Council will look at ways of dealing with this problem, from the ground up, sorry this may take some time and probably won't result in punishing people who didn't violate the letter of the rule, though they may have violated the spirit of it.

All of Serco Fighter Squadron's ONE member?

Why do all posts on this forum erupt in flames?

Because there is no other kind of role-playing in the game yet.

Thought so.

I find it funny that the same people that want to see RP in this game cannot understand when it happens. If people choose to RP more them one char nobody has the right to tell them other wise. As far as I am concerned people can RP whatever they want however they want.

Now if an INM char is causing problems. Let us know. But as it was stated b4. This is the Itani Nation Military. We are not the DSG and have nothing in common. Yes we will hunt people that pirate Itani. We as a group protect Itani interests. That is all. Itani.

And I do have documented reports of the Serco Fighters firing on INM chars at least 3 seperate times. Each was unprovoked. If you want to bring war to the INM, that is your choice, we will not go looking for it, but at the same time are not afraid to bring the full force of the INM down on you.

Make no mistake. One of my main objectives is to drive pirates into the ground. However when this military first started it was for the sole purpose of Itani superiority. We will not start wars, but I have no doubts we will fight them.

""nah nah, you can't attack or INM will kill you." He's using his other char as a shield although he acts the same."

-Exactly. If you claim to suppport RPing then you make it a point that business you start while non-INM does not carry over to your INM chars. This is what I see happening all the time. Just today, as a matter of fact, INM were attacking people who attacked ? while he was off-duty. By your own rules the INM didn't need to defend him and they certainly didn't need to keep hounding those people while they were attempting to take on a known greifer.

It's not RPing when you use two different characters interchangably.

"And there was no delegation? Besides that, DSG never served much of a purpose, it was scrap a long time already."
-And you've been playing for how long? And what delegation are you talking about. The Corps Diplomatique were gone long before you started.

"Secondly, SM acted up when they were IN their uniforms, not outside of that, so that doesn't work, either."
-The point is, the SM guild refused to correct the behaviour of one of their members. The INM is doing the same. We just told you that they're letting their INM chars. get involved in business that the non-INM chars. were doing so that they could get INM backup. THEN, that backup continued to attack these people while they were trying to take down a greifer, the very thing Durgia hopes to stop.

"Yes we will hunt people that pirate Itani. We as a group protect Itani interests. That is all. Itani."
-I've got no problem as long as double standards are admitted to up front. But when people sully the name of RPing by acting like cowards and using the INM tag to protect themselves when they get in over their heads, that's an issue.

Good post Magus.

More IN UNIFORM acting up of INM members.

As you will notice, I have taken back my declaration of war towards INM and had a good chat about Zeplin that has ironed most of everything out. Hopefully there will be just a few (and not many) hurt feelings and that's it.

However, after my discussion with Zeplin, "[INM] alienb" attacked and killed me three times. All three times, he attacked without provocation. I was not attacking another Itani, but *trying* to start a duel with Pirogoeth. When questioned, [INM] Alienb said "I don't need a reason" to kill me. Pirogoeth is a witness of these events and can testify to their truthfulness. I talked to Zeplin, but it appears he's equal in rank.

Again, I don't mind if INM is a guild for hounding people and taking over the universe *grin* like Serco Fighters were in 3.2. Just admit it.

Also, interesting note... I saw a -TD character going around with a Valkyrie. Nice trading piece.

Well Magus if people were attacking ? the INM had most every right to join in. ? is an Itani char, if the INM that are online choose to protect this Itani from other nations that is there choice and well within our guidlines. Any Itani that is fired upon can call the INM to aid, wether or not to respond is up to the individule incharge. I personally don't let people interfer with killing of Itani pirates, but there is no rules stating that people cannot stop a serco from killing an Itani pirate. The Itani is after all an Itani and furthering Itani interests by stopping other nations trade. I personally don't allow this but thats just me.

Now certain individules are being talked to about their behavior but that really does not matter.

Also Camps....you cannot declare war on somebody then 1 hour later declare you are not at war and expect the news to travel to all members of the guild you declared war on shortly b4. It is possible he did not know you declared non-hostilities, it is also possible that he just killed you for previous things.

Our members are asked not to kill non-hostiles traders and noobs. I don't think Serco Fighter 1 fits under these categories. And considering you just declared you would kill us all...well I cannot hold anything against [INM] alienb. I probably would have done the same thing.

TD means they are part of the trading division...not that they constantly trade.

The INM is not out to hound anybody. We will however drive any pirates or greifers away. Also we are not taking over the universe, just making darn sure Itani is the strongest nation in a few sectors of it. Mainly s1-18 and 40-46.

"The INM is not out to hound anybody. We will however drive any pirates or greifers away"

*raises eyebrows*

"Also we are not taking over the universe, just making darn sure Itani is the strongest nation in a few sectors of it. Mainly s1-18 and 40-46."

Not take over the universe, but make sure you're the strongest in every sector, including 2, 3, 6, and 12? Hmm... I'll have to think about that.

"Now certain individules are being talked to about their behavior but that really does not matter."

I'm glad to hear that. I will now expect INM pilots to attack, pirate, and grief traders as Mace and Cerebrus have done. I will also expect INM pilots to drop lightning mines like pollen around stations to deny traders access to them. I will expect INM pilots to attack and kill whoever they want for no reason. I will now expect INM pilots attack and kill botters and traders in 16, because after all, the INM "own" the frigate and its cargo.

"The Itani is after all an Itani and furthering Itani interests by stopping other nations trade."

You're just a bunch of damn pirates, then. After seeing INM attack a bunch of well-meaning pilots (Sage included) for defending themselves against Yooyooma, I must say that you have the most depraved purpose of any guild so far that has gained considerable power. But, you're honest about it, and that's all we're asking.

Now that you've made it clear that your goal is to pillage, burn, and plunder your weasely little black guts out (lol) for the advancement of the blue team, I will consider a response.

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Durgia, in short, your entire post is indecisive.

You say you "will" drive pirates and griefers away, but then you say "an Itani is an Itani after all." So apparently the only good griefers and pirates are blue ones.

You say you're not out to take over the universe, but only every known sector.

You have a "trading" division," but they fly valks around on-duty for their enjoyment.

What separates INM from the rest of the Itani? There is no difference. No code of conduct, no benefit to being a member, no benefit of not being a member.

You say you will driver griefers away, but you yourselves grief.

You talk about "our guidelines," but fail to provide any.

Hopefully you don't represent all of INM, durgia...

Durgia, the peace solution was known to alienb, it had been announced by zep, and alienb WAS Around when he did. Also, he declared hostilities for more than an hour, much good it did him, but still. Also, mantaining vendettas against people is not a wise thing to do especially for INM. Also, if i'm not mistaken you guys don't have a KoS list, and at the time camps had given no provocation. AlienB's actions must be examined, he did after all do it THREE times, an example must be set, the tone for Itani Nation Military must be decided with AlienB...

"the tone for Itani Nation Military must be decided with AlienB..."

-And lo! The gauntlet is lain.


dun dun dun!

Que dramatic spanish soap opera music.

I find it HIGHLY ironic that SirCamps complains that others do not let HIM role play and yet when other people role play HE then complains.

New policy: talk less, kill more. [original text deleted, not really RPing anyway]

hm.

i agree with SC and Magus on that hiding behind RPing to grief and stationmine is not a desirable way of playing. if i see Mace acting that way again, i will most likely attack him regardless of the nick he's wearing.

also, if the INM is blindly loyal to the Itani Nation (by that i mean helping griefers and pirates), i have to rethink my stance against them and consider them to be less than honorable.

Its my understanding that all these problems were worked out today in game mostly.
As all of you can understand, getting INM back up and running is not an easy task, It also means that some "mistakes" have happened, And for that im sorry.

So directives have not been entirely clear untill recently.
Anyway ill step through them.
1. Protect the Flag
(this does not mean kill everything in s7 and s8)
This means, keep an eye out for able capers in s7 s8 and s4, and spacers, Then inform the squad leader, So that We can get in a defencive possition. Information is our friend.

2. Protect Traders
This does mean identify pirates, useing a few diffrent techniques, ie. spoting, Escorting traders, And killing the pirates. Having the team report the pirates possition and so on.
Also means activly hunting known pirates.
However our Main priority is to our Trade Division(TD), Were by we are to escort them when we arnt involved in other dutys.
Oh and yes, our TD's will be seen in Valks escorting there own team as well. And at times be invplved in the other activitys when we need numbers.

3. Stop griefers. People just kill anything they can see like iccy for example.

So far, We have keeped to this quite well for nearly a month of flying, except for 4 incidents. All of these involved new members. Except one, And all of them have been delt with. Except one, Ill be speaking with the relivent people about when i get a chance. While it might not seem like a diplomatic solution is the best way, As you can see in real life, Violence only escalates Violence. Try it some time, walk up to some guy and hit him, Im sure it will lead to more hits.

A few hours later including a long discussion with Zeplin and a argument with me.

You have a "trading" division," but they fly valks around on-duty for their enjoyment.

Since when can a valkyrie not escort a group of traders to make sure that they will land safe. Since when can a tradingcompany not use a valk to trade short distances in contraband goods and RP. There are so many possible explanations, dont generalize please.

cheers

You know what, most of this is moot. We're at war. Three warring nations. You don't like being killed/griefed/whatever by the INM? Quit the game, or join blue. You say I attacked without provocation, but only 10 minutes before PM'ed me with your intent to use your infinite, (read=exploited) resources to kill and take down the INM.

I attacked (and killed you), 1: Because I felt like it, 2: Because I can, based on what you PMd me, 3: Because you're a target in our standing orders, due to your extreme hostility against anything not Serco. Is there a little bit of hipocrisy here?

As Furball said, why is it ok for you to 'roleplay' IE grief others to your content, pirate, pillage, and do all the things you accuse the INM for, and then begin accusing an overall well-meaning guild of doing them? I'll tell you one thing, if there was one character trait I hate above all others, it's the hypocrite. Sircamps, you, and others, have absolutely no grounds to stand on with this subject. I will admit, as with any other guild, we have problems controlling some of the younger and more inexperienced members, but overall, we as a guild have shown the best overall squad control, and combat success, as well as member participation. I do my best to fix a situation when I hear about it, for instance your testimony was considered in an impromptu INM meeting regarding conduct.

My point to you, sircamps, and others that may share your point of view, is this; We do have our problems, as any other guild, however, remember this. We are at war. We will take any needed steps to ensure our survival. You do the same, and cannot expect any less of us. We do our best to conduct ourselves in a morally acceptable form, whenever possible. End of story.