OK, so we are going with realism?

Do you really think that a black market pirate organization could make better ships than the Serco or Itani military. I don't think so.

Last time I checked, the Taliban's DARPA wing hadn't made a predator drone yet.

Do you really think that a black market pirate organization could make better ships than the Serco or Itani military.

Are you retarded or something? Allow me to make something clear to you, with the relative scale here being combat ability:

Nothing sold at Corvus -- not the CorMaud, not even the CV, and sure as HELL not the Greyhound -- is better than even the SGV/IBG, to say nothing of the Valk/Prom.

Also, if Corvus wants your technology, it's pretty safe to say they're getting your technology.

Provide me with a modern day analog.

Provide me with a modern day analog.

Please try to make some sense when you post. Your point as it pertains to in game stuff is wrong, dumbass. Corvus doesn't sell anything better than nation specific ships. Carry on.

And we're not going with "realisim," we're going with useful, interesting game mechanics.

The idea that corvus ships are not on par with military ships was so absurd to me that I guessed the alternative to your argument.

CV has higher top speed than the SVG. The difference in thrust is miniscule.

The greyhound has the best thrust and thrust per energy ratio in the universe.

Wow. You really think you understand how to compare VO ships' respective combat abilities. How cute.

I believe the CV is superior to the SVG in various aspects, maybe that is my preference. But I think few would argue that they are not of at least the same caliber. It is the later that is unrealistic for a pirate organization to achieve, imho.

Hmm. For the most part I agree with this, but the Corvus marauder doesn't seem powerful enough to warrant it being tri-KOS only. I see the point for the Greyhound, though..

Itani/serco ship exclusiveness- Yes. Should have always been..

The Corvus Vulturius is the best dueling ship. Period.

Determining loyalty to Corvus by faction standing to the major nations is overly simplistic. And Corvus, being well populated by criminals, would surely have corrupt agents that would sell you Corvus military hardware for a price.

I don't really care one way or the other about Corvus but Itani flying Serco military grade ships and Serco flying Itani military ships is the up there with the most ridiculous aspects of the game. Want a Prom? Be Serco and hated by the Itani, want a Valk? Be Itani and be hated by the Serco.

It is the later that is unrealistic for a pirate organization to achieve, imho.

Right, because nations in VO are just like the most advanced nations here in 21st century Earth. And Orion can make a Rev C because Orion is special like that.

Moron.

Maal, your preference may be for the CV, but the SGV is superior stats-wise. Numbers don't lie, and I don't think there's a reasonable argument that the 10m/s non-turbo speed advantage makes up for the lower thrust, turbo thrust, and armor. Feel free to make it if you like.

Guardian: Armor 9000 Mass 3800 kg Thrust 235 N Turbo Thrust 260 Max Speed 65 m/s Spin Torque 7.5 Nm Turbo Speed 220 m/s Turbo Drain 60/s

Vulturius: Armor 8900 Mass 3800 kg Thrust 230 N Turbo Thrust 240 N Max Speed 75 m/s Spin Torque 7.5 Nm Turbo Speed 220 m/s Turbo Drain 60/s

Determining loyalty to Corvus by faction standing to the major nations is overly simplistic.

That's nice. Requiring tri-nation KOS for Corvus special ships beats the shit out of the current situation. So either suggest a less simplistic change to the status quo, or tell me why doing nothing is better. I've yet to hear either.

There's room for making some sub-factions exclusive of each other, too, but I think broad strokes are fine for a start. This is easier than making standing mutually exclusive, and makes more sense. Being POS with Itani and Serco isn't so unreasonable if that mutual standing is decoupled from access to high end military hardware.

I am tired of seeing Itani in SCPs, Serco in X-1s, pirates flying whatever they want from any nation, and [VPR]/[TGFT] flying Greyhounds and CVs. There's no way to claim that each and every one of those scenarios isn't fucking retarded. Let's make people make some Goddamn choices.

I'd dig some kind of storyline mission that you have to take periodically to prove fealty to Corvus. Maybe part of it would involve raiding and consequently losing standing with some other subfaction. I'd volunteer to help write the mission tree if that's what it would take.

I'll drag a few SVGs out to Sedina to give it another evaluation. But in terms of numbers, remember that due to VO's strange physics, a top speed buff is also an acceleration buff, and 5/235 is quite possibly less significant than 10/65. I don't know what the space-friction formulas are, though, so I can't make a real case for it.

I don't object in the slightest to changing the Itani/Serco situation as you suggested, though.

So wait, we get a complicated, slow to implement mission for getting Corvus ships that... wait for it ... results in tri-nation KOS anyway? What the Hell are you thinking? If you really mean "subfaction," I think that's the least supportable divide. Corvus and the corporations have far more in common than Corvus and the established nations.

I said subfaction, not major faction! And faction can be recovered after you take the mission.

Sorry, it was so blindingly dumb I didn't think you could have meant that. Edited above.

War between subfactions is part of the canonical backstory. War between Corvus and major nations is not, as I recall.

Indeed, though you're obscuring the fact that the subfactions are corporations. When it comes down to it, Corvus plays better with them than with the "legal" nations. All of the subfactions/corps engage in illegal behavior under the table. The UIT, Itani, and Serco are the "governmental actors" here.

This will, of course, come down to whatever Incarnate's whim is re: the role of Corvus. All I know for sure is that it would be a much better game if people didn't spend most of their time hanging out at Corvus and fighting in B-8, regardless of their supposed national alignment. Maybe Deneb would be more populated. Maybe more people would fly to Grey from their respective nations.

It makes sense to me that these internet spaceship corporations would, in their competition with one another for profit and influence, accept one's enlistment in one of their skirmishes as proof of some degree of loyalty. Commonality doesn't prevent violence. And maybe there would be more to be gained be servicing rather than antagonizing the major nations.

But I'm biased. I don't want to give up being able to duel with CVs, and pirate people, and have free access to the whole universe. :P

Ehhh, the whole universe sucks. tri-KoS FTW!

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