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but once again you don't seem to get that there are people who will opt not to log in if they see certain people logged in
And once again you don't seem to get that people would log off anyways if that's their mentality. It's not like this list has magical properties to show people who are online who aren't already broadcasting their presence like the old APL. I thought we debunked that one already.
However your RP reason isn't RP.
I'll admit that. However, RP doesn't understand what "offline" means... so I can't really come up with one.
And once again you don't seem to get that people would log off anyways if that's their mentality. It's not like this list has magical properties to show people who are online who aren't already broadcasting their presence like the old APL. I thought we debunked that one already.
However your RP reason isn't RP.
I'll admit that. However, RP doesn't understand what "offline" means... so I can't really come up with one.
RL: There are people I would like to know when they are online both friend and foe that I don't want to buddy and I shouldn't really have to look at 100 or ask around or use IRC.
RP: I could "assume" whats going on and "assume" who is "still" on and decide what RP I want to do based on what people are online. Also, for ingame RP it would allow a more honest look at who's been talking on the "Universe Wide" channels. Which is something that would/should be known by traders, miners, pirates, griefers, newbs, Orun, and any other type of RP.
RP: I could "assume" whats going on and "assume" who is "still" on and decide what RP I want to do based on what people are online. Also, for ingame RP it would allow a more honest look at who's been talking on the "Universe Wide" channels. Which is something that would/should be known by traders, miners, pirates, griefers, newbs, Orun, and any other type of RP.
Jmvcilus, no I am not RPing here in SUGGESTIONS. Were I RPing it would be in the RP forum and I would have probably said...
I am also less than shocked that the only person so far to support it is a member of a cowardly sniveling honor-less trade guild that has its lips so far up VPRs and TGFTs asses that you could check their colons.
But, what I did say was...
I am also less than shocked that the only person so far to support it is a member of a trade guild.
So clearly I am not RPing. Yes, this could have a negative affect on some, no affect on others all while being a waste of time. But don't worry, Atice has made it clear that regardless of what the Devs decide on this one... he will ultimately make sure that you have your safety net by scripting it him self.
I am also less than shocked that the only person so far to support it is a member of a cowardly sniveling honor-less trade guild that has its lips so far up VPRs and TGFTs asses that you could check their colons.
But, what I did say was...
I am also less than shocked that the only person so far to support it is a member of a trade guild.
So clearly I am not RPing. Yes, this could have a negative affect on some, no affect on others all while being a waste of time. But don't worry, Atice has made it clear that regardless of what the Devs decide on this one... he will ultimately make sure that you have your safety net by scripting it him self.
"RL: There are people I would like to know when they are online both friend and foe that I don't want to buddy and I shouldn't really have to look at 100 or ask around or use IRC."
That is the biggest load of crap ever. Why should you get to check the site and see if your enemies or friends that are not "buddied" are on? Log the hell in and ask. If they are in your little trade guild, their names will show up on the guild page. or you can even click guild info on the website and see who in and who isn't.
But there is no reason at all you should get a heads up if your enemies are on.
"RP: I could "assume" whats going on and "assume" who is "still" on and decide what RP I want to do based on what people are online. Also, for ingame RP it would allow a more honest look at who's been talking on the "Universe Wide" channels. Which is something that would/should be known by traders, miners, pirates, griefers, newbs, Orun, and any other type of RP."
I absolutely agree with you on this one. 100% on the same page... as long as the only way to get the info is if you are logged in.
That is the biggest load of crap ever. Why should you get to check the site and see if your enemies or friends that are not "buddied" are on? Log the hell in and ask. If they are in your little trade guild, their names will show up on the guild page. or you can even click guild info on the website and see who in and who isn't.
But there is no reason at all you should get a heads up if your enemies are on.
"RP: I could "assume" whats going on and "assume" who is "still" on and decide what RP I want to do based on what people are online. Also, for ingame RP it would allow a more honest look at who's been talking on the "Universe Wide" channels. Which is something that would/should be known by traders, miners, pirates, griefers, newbs, Orun, and any other type of RP."
I absolutely agree with you on this one. 100% on the same page... as long as the only way to get the info is if you are logged in.
Suggestions has been quiet tonight, cept for a few peeps (us); I'm not surprised that few people have posted support (for the record, only 2 have posted against, and 2 for). This thread has only been around for a few hours.
But there is no reason at all you should get a heads up if your enemies are on.
We've been over that. If you talk, you've already given a heads up. Deal with it.
as long as the only way to get the info is if you are logged in.
IRC. Stop making me repeat myself (and for that matter, stop repeating yourself).
Edit: take a look at the page Roda linked to. Seems he agrees with the principal here... and last I checked he wasn't a trader or "trader sympathizer".
But there is no reason at all you should get a heads up if your enemies are on.
We've been over that. If you talk, you've already given a heads up. Deal with it.
as long as the only way to get the info is if you are logged in.
IRC. Stop making me repeat myself (and for that matter, stop repeating yourself).
Edit: take a look at the page Roda linked to. Seems he agrees with the principal here... and last I checked he wasn't a trader or "trader sympathizer".
Hey...first off PA is not just a trade guild, we trade, mine, and PvP too . Second, what we do with asses is none of your business good sir! (not to mention asses are clearly off topic). Yeah, so if everyone is gonna get this plugin anyways why not have it available to everyone? Mr. Reign do you have something against the people Atice would not give this(made up) plugin to.
Open source ftw!
Now back on topic!
Now back on topic!
"We've been over that. If you talk, you've already given a heads up. Deal with it."
Yeah, I'm with ya. In game, if I talk people in game know Im there. People not logged in, have no VALID reason to know who is in game and who isn't. Deal with it. Stop making me repeat myself (and for that matter, stop repeating yourself).
I'm glad that you're comfortable doing an end run around the devs if they decide not to implement this astoundingly bad... (even by Allohs standards)... idea. Its great that you can script a cheat/hax that has no affect on anything apart from traders waiting till the pirates all go to bed before logging on. Thats awesome. Good for you.
/me whispers Atice... its this kinda crap that makes people think your ship is flown by plug ins and not skill.
Yeah, I'm with ya. In game, if I talk people in game know Im there. People not logged in, have no VALID reason to know who is in game and who isn't. Deal with it. Stop making me repeat myself (and for that matter, stop repeating yourself).
I'm glad that you're comfortable doing an end run around the devs if they decide not to implement this astoundingly bad... (even by Allohs standards)... idea. Its great that you can script a cheat/hax that has no affect on anything apart from traders waiting till the pirates all go to bed before logging on. Thats awesome. Good for you.
/me whispers Atice... its this kinda crap that makes people think your ship is flown by plug ins and not skill.
/me whispers Atice... its this kinda crap that makes people think your ship is flown by plug ins and not skill.
I'm not even going to respond to the stupidity of that remark. Also, what did I say about getting back on topic?
Edit:
Its great that you can script a cheat/hax that has no affect on anything apart from traders waiting till the pirates all go to bed before logging on. Thats awesome. Good for you.
My response to that "point" can be found here, here, here, here, and here. Please read the entire thread before posting.
I'm not even going to respond to the stupidity of that remark. Also, what did I say about getting back on topic?
Edit:
Its great that you can script a cheat/hax that has no affect on anything apart from traders waiting till the pirates all go to bed before logging on. Thats awesome. Good for you.
My response to that "point" can be found here, here, here, here, and here. Please read the entire thread before posting.
*bump
As a Former Council member of PA...(before I left out of disgust), I am well aware of what PA does with its asses.
Anyways, I don't have anything against any particular player or guild... (at least not when I'm not in VO)... my objection is to the idea/plugin itself. I have made my reasons clear several times and Atice has made his reasons/intent clear.
If the devs implement this thats their prerogative, and if they don't and Atice decides to enable and hand out hax and cheats for some or all, thats his prerogative.
Anyways, I don't have anything against any particular player or guild... (at least not when I'm not in VO)... my objection is to the idea/plugin itself. I have made my reasons clear several times and Atice has made his reasons/intent clear.
If the devs implement this thats their prerogative, and if they don't and Atice decides to enable and hand out hax and cheats for some or all, thats his prerogative.
Bloody Muhammad on a stick, give it a rest already. The title of this post makes it obvious that this is designed as a circumvention of the APL removal, which would be counter-productive move. Why are you three still bickering about this? Just log in or something.
Atice and I have logged in and are now bickering about it via PM.
this is designed as a circumvention of the APL
Oh hell. Learn to read. This would add the "win! that guy is online. I want to shoot him! <log in>" factor back into the game, while still allowing people to run silent. You guys want to be able to run silent, this doesn't detract from that.
Read the bloody OP. It's all there.
Oh hell. Learn to read. This would add the "win! that guy is online. I want to shoot him! <log in>" factor back into the game, while still allowing people to run silent. You guys want to be able to run silent, this doesn't detract from that.
Read the bloody OP. It's all there.
And it also allows for cowards to say ...."oh NO!!! peytros is on!!! Im not logging in yet!!!"
You keep forgetting that part.
You keep forgetting that part.
"I absolutely agree with you on this one. 100% on the same page... as long as the only way to get the info is if you are logged in."
Awesome idea, bring back /msg irc active only with this list instead and of course put it on the Active Players page too. Also, it would be nice to have guild tags\rank back in the list too. If that's not too hard.
Awesome idea, bring back /msg irc active only with this list instead and of course put it on the Active Players page too. Also, it would be nice to have guild tags\rank back in the list too. If that's not too hard.
"And it also allows for cowards to say ...."oh NO!!! peytros is on!!! Im not logging in yet!!!""
And what stops them from logging on, seeing hes on 100, then logging off?
And what stops them from logging on, seeing hes on 100, then logging off?
oh. my. god.
"oh NO!!! peytros is on!!! Im not logging in yet!!!"
so then they'd log off as soon as they see him on 100 (hypothetically speaking). the only way for him to avoid that is to run silent, which he does when he hunts (as do other pirates).
moreover, the pvpers wouldn't log off due to this stupid shit, and therefore we have a net gain (as the people who would leave would leave anyways).
Jmvcilus: stop being silly (last two posts)
"oh NO!!! peytros is on!!! Im not logging in yet!!!"
so then they'd log off as soon as they see him on 100 (hypothetically speaking). the only way for him to avoid that is to run silent, which he does when he hunts (as do other pirates).
moreover, the pvpers wouldn't log off due to this stupid shit, and therefore we have a net gain (as the people who would leave would leave anyways).
Jmvcilus: stop being silly (last two posts)
"And what stops them from logging on, seeing hes on 100, then logging off?"
Nothing, and thats my point... this idea is pointless.
"Awesome idea, bring back /msg irc active only with this list instead"
nothing wrong with /msg irc active giving you a list of the people who have been talking... (though I remain firmly against IRC)
"and of course put it on the Active Players page too."
NO.
"Also, it would be nice to have guild tags\rank back in the list too. If that's not too hard."
As long as the only way to see the list is logging in.
Nothing, and thats my point... this idea is pointless.
"Awesome idea, bring back /msg irc active only with this list instead"
nothing wrong with /msg irc active giving you a list of the people who have been talking... (though I remain firmly against IRC)
"and of course put it on the Active Players page too."
NO.
"Also, it would be nice to have guild tags\rank back in the list too. If that's not too hard."
As long as the only way to see the list is logging in.
ryan... his last two posts were in jest if you couldn't tell. please don't respond to them seriously, or others will also think he was serious, and this thread will go to shit.
BACK. ON. TOPIC
BACK. ON. TOPIC