You have yet to give a cohesive (or more to the point logical) argument as to why this suggestion violates any privacy whatsoever, or as to how it would negatively impact the game. I have given good reasoning for implementing the suggestion, and as such I fail to see anything but a house of cards backing your conclusion.

1. If you want to know who is on, log in.
2. Waste of development time, when there are many more important things that need to be done.
3. It impinges on a persons ability to communicate freely with the people on line by letting people off line know who is on.
4. I have seen people log off based on who is on line, there for it is safe to say that some people would not log in.
5. You want it, does not constitute "good reasoning".
6. If you really want this, then you can personally post every name you see in game on VPRpedia and people can check there. The Devs don't need to implement a watered down version of the APL to pacify VPR and a few traders who do not want to risk being shot at

1. If you want to know who is on, log in.

That's not an argument as much as a statement of opinion with no backing. However, I will counter it just for fun. The entire point of this thread is that I'd like to see that (for example) pey is chattering on 100, and therefore is probably online, and therefore I should get in game to have some funz getting my arse whooped. I don't have time to sit in-game forever until the person I want to shoot comes online. I'll get online on my regular schedule, but it'd be nice if a little extra incentive for me to come online more were there. This suggestion would give such incentive.

2. Waste of development time, when there are many more important things that need to be done.

It probably wouldn't take that long anyways. However, this is the most potentially valid of your points.

3. It impinges on a persons ability to communicate freely with the people on line by letting people off line know who is on.

It's just the same as if they were sitting on IRC. Instead of sitting on IRC, someone tells them. It's not as if the thing doesn't reset every hour.

5. You want it, does not constitute "good reasoning".

Learn2Read.

6. If you really want this, then you can personally post every name you see in game on VPRpedia and people can check there. The Devs don't need to implement a watered down version of the APL to pacify VPR and a few traders who do not want to risk being shot at

VPRpedia would be a poor place for such a thing. However, I could easily write a script to do this for IRC. I feel that game-wide things are better than plugins/player hacks, however, as newbies who don't have people buddied will still get an idea how many people are active when they check the "Active players" link, etc. If this doesn't get put in the game... I might very well write it myself.

install an IRC client and find out who's online. why bother the devs with something you can find out for yourself by either logging in, or looking on an IRC client. you don't even have to register a nickname on slashnet just to join vrelay and see what's being said.

don'tBlazy

:P

"That's not an argument as much as a statement of opinion with no backing."

Main Entry: opin·ion
Pronunciation: \o-ˈpin-yen\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin opinion-, opinio, from opinari
Date: 14th century
1 a : a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter.

"If you want to know who is on, log in."

That is how it works currently, which makes it a statement of fact. Did the web addresses I posted do nothing to help you?

Learn2Read.

That is how it works currently

So... what you're saying is the suggestions forum should be completely bound by how things currently work? Just in case the subtlety there escaped you: the suggestions forum wouldn't be a suggestions forum if that were the case.

Way to dodge your weak grasp of opinions Vs facts.

Suggestions is for suggestions, even bad ones. Even ones that are essentially so you and a few others know if you can log in and not get blasted, but don't pretend that this is anything other than an all clear signal for you.

If you hadn't noticed... it's my job to get in and blast others. Or protect others via getting blasted if necessary. Why the frack would I avoid logging in because someone is online?

Did you completely miss what I said earlier? Seems so. I'll even quote myself here to remind you:

I've never known someone to say "oh look, rats are on. I'm not gonna log in now". The only thing I've ever heard them say is "oh look, rats are talking (aka active), guess I'm not gonna trade in dangerous parts". As such... this pseudo-APL wouldn't change shit, as the fact that they're on 100 shows that they are online anyways, and people don't not log in just cause someone is online.

Also, you missed my point about IRC. Care to respond to that as well? Or would you rather just accuse me of inane shit?

Atice, shut up. Ryan is right here.

Chaos: sound argument.

edit: for the sarcastically challenged... I pity ye.

Atice, fine its your "job" to blast others. That job isn't every ones, some people will use this idea to avoid logging in at times when they stand even the remotest chance of getting blasted.

Did you completely miss what I said earlier? Seems so. I'll even quote myself here to remind you:

"4. I have seen people log off based on who is on line, there for it is safe to say that some people would not log in."

Actually, you must have missed it... it's the only point in my six points that you couldn't argue against. Either that or you have issues with counting.

Once again, this idea has absolutely no affect on me... unless Chi sees me on and doesn't feel like getting invited to the BLF again... (our own little inside joke.). This idea of yours affects five groups of people.

1. Traders: They see a ton of pirates on and don't log in, OR the pirates see them and they are hunted even more actively.
2. Pirates: hey see a ton of traders on, log in immediately and hunt them down OR they see no or few traders on decide its not worth logging in.
3. Anyone who values channel 100 as a means of communication, entertainment or method of sharing information.
4. Newbs: They start off unaware of how this ridiculous idea works, chat away and unknowingly make people outside of VO aware of the fact that there are newbs on.
5. Griefers: They see a newbs on and come in and blast them.

Even if the list is updated only ever half hour or every hour, it is still every bit as revealing as the old APL. The vast majority of VOs player base is in game for far more than thirty to sixty minutes.

Let me counter your point with logic:

I have seen people log off based on who is on line, there for it is safe to say that some people would not log in.
So... if they'd log off when they saw someone on 100... now they just wouldn't log on. All that happens is now they aren't on for the 5 minutes they would have been if they were to have logged in without this suggestion. If they'd log as soon as they see you on 100 anyways... what the hell is your point?

Let's go through your list bullet by bullet then, since you seem to insist on making me respond to such insanity:

1. Traders: They see a ton of pirates on and don't log in
We've covered this. Multiple times. If they'd log off when they saw you on 100 anyways, then there is really no effect.

OR the pirates see them and they are hunted even more actively.
Awesome. PvP interaction!

2. Pirates: hey see a ton of traders on, log in immediately and hunt them down OR they see no or few traders on decide its not worth logging in.
People run silent. Pirates know this. They are not stupid enough to not log in just cause traders aren't talking.

3. Anyone who values channel 100 as a means of communication, entertainment or method of sharing information.
Still haven't countered my IRC point. It's incredibly trivial to monitor yourself. I just think everyone should get that ability.

4. Newbs: They start off unaware of how this ridiculous idea works, chat away and unknowingly make people outside of VO aware of the fact that there are newbs on.
Again, IRC. If you talk on 100, you're online, and people know it. It's as simple as that.

5. Griefers: They see a newbs on and come in and blast them.
There are always newbs. Griefers know this and log on anyways. Also, IRC (yes, that point again. care to respond?).

Even if the list is updated only ever half hour or every hour, it is still every bit as revealing as the old APL
You're retarded. The APL you couldn't opt-out of. This one you can. Additionally, the list wouldn't keep track of log offs, just talking (and only on 100 or 1 no less). Moreover, all that this suggestion would do is make already available information more accessible.

The vast majority of VOs player base is in game for far more than thirty to sixty minutes.
Are we playing on the same server? Or are you just insane?

+alot

Atice, you have once again come up with a good idea!

"So... if they'd log off when they saw someone on 100... now they just wouldn't log on. All that happens is now they aren't on for the 5 minutes they would have been if they were to have logged in without this suggestion. If they'd log as soon as they see you on 100 anyways... what the hell is your point?"

Congrats, this indicates the idea is useless and has no affect on anything and there for a waste of time.

"Awesome. PvP interaction!"

This indicates that something that happens anyways will continue to happen. The idea is still a waste of time.

"People run silent. Pirates know this. They are not stupid enough to not log in just cause traders aren't talking."

This indicates that the list will have no affect on anyone.

"Still haven't countered my IRC point. It's incredibly trivial to monitor yourself. I just think everyone should get that ability."

This is yet another reason IRC should get the damned boot, if you want to chat in VO LOG THE HELL IN.

"Again, IRC. If you talk on 100, you're online, and people know it. It's as simple as that."

As stated right above and by quite a few other people, IRC needs to go.

"There are always newbs. Griefers know this and log on anyways. Also, IRC (yes, that point again. care to respond?)."

Ok, so again, your idea wastes time because it accomplishes nothing, and IRC needs to go.

"You're retarded. The APL you couldn't opt-out of. This one you can. Additionally, the list wouldn't keep track of log offs, just talking (and only on 100 or 1 no less). Moreover, all that this suggestion would do is make already available information more accessible."

Since you opted to start this one with a personal attack... Your mothers a whore and she has herpes. Now that thats out of the way. Shutting up and opting out are in my opinion different. Now if there were a way to actually opt out... a setting to make your name not appear, fine. That would be ok... though the whole idea would still be a waste of time.

"Are we playing on the same server? Or are you just insane?"

Yes. No, though you may be blind. Also as you chose to end that one with a personal attack... Your father is a gay prostitute and he has syphilis.

Congrats, this indicates the idea is useless and has no affect on anything and there for a waste of time.

With the pointed exception of the point which I made in the OP. Go read it.

As stated right above and by quite a few other people, IRC needs to go.

Heh. Good luck with that.

Now if there were a way to actually opt out... a setting to make your name not appear, fine

Running silent is running silent. That's the point of... running silent. That one seems pretty self-explanatory. You can't talk on public channels and expect people to not know you're online.

As for the attacks... I get annoyed when people ignore logic. However, your retorts are taken in stride, and I applaud you for creativity :D.

Glad you liked them.

I probably wouldn't of been so dead set against this if you would have acknowledged that some people would use this idea, as some used the APL as a safety net and only logged in when certain people were not on.

At any rate, even if you had acknowledged that... I'd still be against it. I don't care who knows I'm on, so long as they are logged in too. For no other reason than...

A. Its nothing they should know unless they log in.
and
B. There is no legit RL or RP reason for some one not logged in to know if some one else is.

As for IRC, yeah I know its not going anywhere despite the fact that its detrimental to the game.

Um...Ryan...I hope your just RP'ing here like you always do. You have stated that it would have a bad effect for some, then it wouldn't have that effect on them but on others, then that it wouldn't matter so that is the reason to not even have it. I'm not even gonna mention all the stuff that you mentioned that's not even on topic. But I will say one thing. Dictionary's have nothing to do with the APL. :-)

Im stating that this idea is a waste of time and counter productive. I am also less than shocked that the only person so far to support it is a member of a trade guild.

Tell you what though. List a few RL and RP reasons that this should exist. I'd love to hear what you come up with.

RL reason: People log in when they see people they want to shoot. Was mentioned in the OP.

RP reason: The verse shouldn't be shut off to the logged off people. The more accessible the verse is, the better (cause then people want to come in-game more! yes... it's very similar to the RL reason, since RP doesn't really understand RL).

"RL reason: People log in when they see people they want to shoot. Was mentioned in the OP."

I get that, fine... but once again you don't seem to get that there are people who will opt not to log in if they see certain people logged in. If the idea was modified so that each player could opt out in the settings... then fine.

However your RP reason isn't RP.