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Nov 07, 2007 Quirc link
Also, as a side note, until I see a personally satisfactory resolution to this issue, I'm going to pretend I'm important by personally boycotting the RP forums. Those few players that are waiting on my next installment of my story will have to wait. I refuse to submit my own work to an organization that, from my perception, is appearing selective in what it allows others to view. I'm just one player, but it's something I feel I need to do for now.
Nov 07, 2007 EddyHolland link
Hi Quirc
Re: "You recently published an ITAN article having to do with peace in Deneb. ...
Unless you can inform me that, if I were to visit Deneb, the Border Patrol/Skirmish sectors would be devoid of Serco vessels... I'm pretty sure this conflict is still going on...
Yes, you could say that the ITAN post is propaganda, or simply a organization making a claim, and it should be allowed. I'm not disputing whether the ITAN article should be permitted ... one just as subjective and biased as the ITAN article. "


Quirc, the itani players were able to clear serco vessels from the said sectors. During nearly the entire period of that RP event there were no serco NPCs in Deneb. 90% of the time that Serco players entered Deneb during that campaign, they did not get past B12. You had only to visit the area to confirm that. Since it's now past, you could rely on any number of veteran players who did witness it. So, [ITAN] story is based in fact, you should not dismiss it as Propaganda or being lampoonish, since it is not. It was an RP event [ITAN] organized and invited the Serco to participate in. To the extent that some Serco did participate, it was a success.
Nov 07, 2007 Whistler link
Does the New York Times publish the same sort of articles as the Onion? Why don't they share stories with the Enquirer? Why don't newspapers just publish whatever can be found on the internet. To say that articles like the more lampoonish CNN articles are published in "real life" is missing the point of this discussion. We're talking about the Station News within the VO universe.

The New York Times, the Onion, the Enquirer, USA Today, and all the others have differing standards. (No, I'm not equating the SN with the NY Times -it's just an example.) I'm not certain if they publish their more subjective standards - but they DO have subjective standards. It's immediately obvious when you read any of those publications.

The brief guidelines set forth by Obsidian are only part of the story. The devs have also given the guides some rather loose instructions for publication - which I have paraphrased earlier. If we were given clearer instructions, they'd have been posted. If you like, I can append her post.

"... what right do you have in judging which of these works are "worthy" of being posted? " The guides were given a general idea of what the devs desired and asked to "use your judgement". It was inevitable that one of us would find something unsuitable and somebody would question our judgement. You are certainly welcome to write incarnate and have him clarify the guidelines for us.

Let me be clear: I don't particularly CARE what gets published or who writes it. I'm doing these little odd jobs to help out the developers because I like what they're doing and I want to free them up for other things. If they say "publish all CNN articles!" then I certainly will do that without any further discussion. This is not my baby, my name is not on the News byline, and I can assure you that I have more than enough responsibility in my life so as not to become "drunk with power" here. If somebody else wants to do it, that's okay by me - but they'll still have to answer to the devs as to what gets published.

I think I've been very polite and professional about this. I remind you again that you are free to write incarnate and let him know you disagree.
Nov 07, 2007 MSKanaka link
Not to toss the words 'slander' and 'libel' around like tennis balls, but the CNN posts frequently fall into those categories. And I could easily see that being a requirement for a potential newspost to fall into 'not being posted' bins.

Recent example? The BS about the "Panis Virus". Leave the kid the hell alone already. He's got enough crap going on without having to deal with jokes based on words similar to his name or people making fake alts all over the place.
Nov 07, 2007 Quirc link
12:26PM Whistler
"Does the New York Times publish the same sort of articles as the Onion?"

No.

"Why don't they share stories with the Enquirer?"

Different kinds of media, the only similarity is that they're both available to the public.

"To say that articles like the more lampoonish CNN articles are published in "real life" is missing the point of this discussion. We're talking about the Station News within the VO universe... The New York Times, the Onion, the Enquirer, USA Today, and all the others have differing standards."

I believe you've missed the point actually. I'm simply explaining that, in actuality, the Station News is the only ingame outlet for written works. I'm sure CNN would be in stands next to store registers if that feature existed in VO. But it doesn't, so here it is. Needless to say, the NY Times as well as the Enquirer are both openly distributed. I don't see the government stopping this (yet) and, likewise, I don't see why VO's 'government' should stop CNN in this regard. Besides, I highly doubt Serco and Itani propaganda would end up on the same newspaper either. But they've both appeared there at one point or another... and they both have differing standards too.

"The brief guidelines set forth by Obsidian are only part of the story. The devs have also given the guides some rather loose instructions for publication - which I have paraphrased earlier. If we were given clearer instructions, they'd have been posted. If you like, I can append her post."

Paraphrasing is nice... can you call upon my friend, Copy/Paste, and please show us clearly what these additional instructions are? Also, appending Obsidian's post would be quite prudent. I see absolutely no reason to have 'hidden' rules and regulations; rather, I find it somewhat rude that such things are only made aware to devs and guides as opposed to the authors that take time out of THEIR lives to make VO a better place by supplying this material. No Whistler, you aren't the only one helping the devs.

"You are certainly welcome to write incarnate and have him clarify the guidelines for us."

By what right should I immediately have to run to John about everything under the sun? Devs have guides, etc. for a reason; in the end, they're only human, and they need others to help them resolve issues. If you don't feel you can resolve this on your own, then take it to him. But I'm a player, and a customer, and I'm coming to you right now. Not him.

"Let me be clear: I don't particularly CARE what gets published or who writes it. I'm doing these little odd jobs to help out the developers because I like what they're doing and I want to free them up for other things. If they say "publish all CNN articles!" then I certainly will do that without any further discussion."

I didn't know you needed special permission for every single article. Talk about bureaucracy.

"This is not my baby, my name is not on the News byline, and I can assure you that I have more than enough responsibility in my life so as not to become "drunk with power" here. If somebody else wants to do it, that's okay by me - but they'll still have to answer to the devs as to what gets published."

Let me remind you again that the CNN author, and all other authors here, are also helping the devs by providing potential game content. You aren't alone, and they're taking time out too.

I'm not asking someone else to do it; in short, I'm asking you to review the CNN articles again and explain to me specifically what is stopping them from being posted (don't repeat yourself, you've been quite generalist). You seem to enjoy using blanket terms on the articles, and you aren't giving the author the chance to discuss and appeal your decision openly with you. To me, this is far from a good thing.

12:34PM MSKanaka
"Not to toss the words 'slander' and 'libel' around like tennis balls, but the CNN posts frequently fall into those categories. And I could easily see that being a requirement for a potential newspost to fall into 'not being posted' bins..."

Not to toss them around more, but the recent ITAN article describing peace in Deneb (sorry spidey, I'm pullin it out again) could easily be described by those words from the perspective of a Serco player. However, it was permitted.

"Recent example? The BS about the "Panis Virus". Leave the kid the hell alone already."

If Panis feels this portion of the article shouldn't be included, he can appeal here or after it's posted and I'm sure it would be excluded from that point. He could also go directly to a dev or guide. I can understand why these lines would violate policy from your perspective (even though none of it really takes the form of a personal attack... note that any examples made are clean). But pointing at one portion of an article (especially the CNN news brief, in which taking one part out wouldn't do much damage to the entire work) does not justify excluding it entirely; if this portion is unfit, then it should be excluded and the author notified in case he/she wants a chance to change it to fit things more properly. (ITAN, as a side note... I wasn't personally accusing your article of lying, if you somehow managed to make sure zero Serco NPCs existed in C-10 and the wh all that week, then awesome... but unless they STILL aren't there, which I'm sure would be a problem in the eyes of the devs, that article is no longer holding true by storyline standards.)

06:36AM EddyHolland
"So, [ITAN] story is based in fact, you should not dismiss it as Propaganda or being lampoonish, since it is not. It was an RP event [ITAN] organized and invited the Serco to participate in. To the extent that some Serco did participate, it was a success."

The CNN articles are also based largely in fact, and simply taken from a unique perspective just as your article is. I could easily say "Oh, serco pilots made it to B12 by jumping in, therefore Deneb was hardly devoid", couldn't I? Likewise, I could even write a serco response to your article with that statement included, and I'm sure it'd be posted. So why isn't CNN up there?

12:26PM Whistler
"I think I've been very polite and professional about this. I remind you again that you are free to write incarnate and let him know you disagree."

I'm being redundant at this point, but I'll also remind you again that right now, you're the face of the devs. Act like it, and please don't dismiss this issue so quickly.
Nov 07, 2007 Impavid link
The more your respond whistler, the more your reasoning seems mudled and biased. You used ITANs in game events to justify their propaganda post. I don't dispute that, I think there should be more posts like that, and I commend Foo Fighter for keeping it going. You didn't see them complaining when pirates got involved did you? Made things even more fun. In a game sorely lacking in content, players like myself and Foo are the ones creating content for other players to consume. Just because I put a more satirical tone on things doesn't mean they didn't happen.

So, using your own justification of ITAN's most recent news item being based on actual events, here are my 2 most recent CNN posts analyzed for in game relevance and basis on actual in game events, with handy reference links:

ITAN post: Omega 0 dig declare war on grey space. I LINKED TO THE ENTIRE CHAT TRANSCRIPT. http://h1.ripway.com/keraskorner/logfortumble.txt

Panis Virus: As usual miharu, you're the only person in the game who didn't think it was funny (even panis enjoyed it). This was a satirical article about the fact that everyone seems to have a Panis alt, something he encouraged. One night most of the playerbase created one and Panis was almost the only name on 100 for near an hour. I don't have the transcript of that, but Im sure Incarnate will look it up for you. He's becoming quite adept at scanning the chat.

Sally Koshuni: News item based on LONG ongoing RP with Lebermac and references a post he wrote recently completing the story. http://www.vendetta-online.com/x/msgboard/7/17775

Deneb Run: DUH: http://www.vendetta-online.com/x/msgboard/7/17894 )

Space Gnats: Not true, Just something funny. Meant to entertain. Certainly far more fun to read then yet another delcaration from ITAN that they "Conquered" Deneb with WH camping dev provided cap ship.

Interview with tumblemonster: Also based on ongoing RP and an in game event. I did make 4000 kills, I did announce my retirement, and CNN interviews have a history of going awry.

Six new station news posts since June. That's it. I'd think you'd jump at any interesting content. God forbid Vendetta should have some personality.
Nov 07, 2007 Quirc link
With the support of the author, I rest my case. Whistler, please explain to us in light of all this why you continue to exclude CNN articles.
Nov 07, 2007 EddyHolland link
Impavid/tumblemonster: incorrect.
"miharu, you're the only person in the game who didn't think it was funny" - incorrect. I, amongst others, did not enjoy the Panis hazing. I doubt Panis enjoyed your post item perpetuating the hazing.

Reports of tumblemonster's retirement are complete rubbish. He's been ingame since, and is ingame right now.

I have already made clear that quoting Omega 0 out of context does not constitute being able to imply official ITAN policy. You were just trying to troublemake with that item. That is the item I would have asked to be removed.
Nov 07, 2007 Whistler link
Okay, this is waaaaay too much drama!

Okay, I'll keep it simple: It's my call to make, within the guidelines provided to me. I stand behind my previous decisions for the reasons that I have stated already.
Nov 07, 2007 EddyHolland link
Quirc: ORly?
"Not to toss them around more, but the recent ITAN article ... could easily be described by those words ..." - ORly? Care to substantiate that accusation to me, ingame, right now ?
"ITAN ... I wasn't personally accusing your article of lying" - It sure sounds that way. Look, we were there, and you were not. You could ask any vet who was there. Or go pick some other fight.
Nov 07, 2007 Whistler link
This was never meant to be a discussion forum. I'll be removing these off-topic posts after 24 hours from now. Feel free to make a new thread in an appropriate place and move them there.
Nov 07, 2007 Quirc link
Very well, a new thread can be created, but unless you're hoping it simply gets buried and nobody will care (which is well possible) it doesn't instantly make this issue go away.

EDIT: I'm also ignoring ITAN from this point forward as they seem too focused on a flame war as opposed to the issue at hand. Can't teach an old dog new tricks and all that.
Nov 07, 2007 Whistler link
This is probably one of the slowest forums/threads there is. Moving the issue virtually anywhere would be exhuming it. I expect that it will get a LOT more attention, and that most people will tell you that you're being unreasonable.
Nov 07, 2007 Hedgehogs4Me link
Subject:
Give the Universe [HOPE]!

Text:
The universe needs HOPE, and only you can bring it!
[HOPE] stands for "Hope Outlasts Power and Entropy". It is a guild which helps all pilots become better people.
Power can last for years.
Entropy will last until the end of the universe.
Hope will always remain.

Sounds too good to be true? Well, so far it is, as the guild doesn't exist yet, but hopefully not for long. I am looking for players willing to found it! This could be anyone from an angel-of-a-player who could help others achieve their goals to the most vile, disgusting personality on the web who is trying to learn to become a friend to others rather than a menace.

There are no license requirements, no skill requirements, but you must be willing to gain from the experience. Contact Panis As UIT when he's online to join.
That's /msg "Panis as UIT" message

You might not get an immediate invite, as without enough users joining in a certain amount of time, the guild cannot exist.

Our motto is...
The universe needs care!
The universe needs strength!
The universe needs [HOPE]

Join [HOPE] guild today!
-Panis as UIT
Nov 07, 2007 incarnate link
Quite dramatic. For the record: I fully support Whistler's actions and I see that he is implementing the brief guidelines I defined for him. In this case, I asked him (basically) to keep the in-game news to items which tend to be more serious in tone. Something you would see from AP, not The Onion.

I'm a big fan of user-created content, and we try to support it as much as possible. But, we also have our own, specific, vision for how things will be, and content that appears in the game will always be limited to that which we believe is sufficiently aligned with our vision. The distinction of "sufficiently aligned", in this case, is left to Whistler, with some general guidelines. There will always be differences of opinion when it comes to guideline interpretation, and Whistler has accurately stated that he is doing his best to execute what I asked of him. If you think those guidelines should change, then you should take it up with me.
Nov 08, 2007 Whistler link
Thanks incarnate.

Hedgehogs4Me: published

I've cleaned out the more ancient posts. I'll leave the newer threads alone for a day as promised earlier.
Nov 08, 2007 Whistler link
On second thought, I think I'll just make a new thread every so often and move the old one elsewhere for future reference.
Nov 09, 2007 MysticRogue link
Subject:CLM Last Man Standing
Organization responsible for the post: CLM
All factions
Relevant dates/times:Nov 11th 5pm CST

Eighth Last Man Standing Battle
Sponsored by CLM

Winner Payout total of 10 million credits!

Sunday Nov 11th at 5pm CST (server time) use /time ingame to check the time.

Details are as follows:

6 Million Credits Prize to the winner
3 Million for Second place
1 Million to the third place

We will also be giving a prize to the pilot with the most pk's during the event. So remember who you

shoot!

Free for all fight in Latos D-2 around the cracked roid

Rules:

NO missles
NO mines

You can use rockets, but there is no reloading, once your out of ammo, well...

Ship of your choice

No healing and coming back, once dead your out.

If you leave the sector, your out

Absolutely no fighting outside the arena. Violaters will be
disqualified.

No fighting before the official start. Violaters will be
disqualified.

Entrance fee is 5k

If you enter and dont show, you lose the entrance fee.

Time:Nov 11th 5pm (server time) use /time ingame to check the time

Regarding some same nation players being unable to hurt each other due to positive faction

standing, I think we have that taken care of in the form of a guides help, if for some reason they cant

show up we will figure it out, possibly with the /duel system.

The last few have had great turn-outs, I hope to see more people and more guilds represented this

time.
Nov 09, 2007 Whistler link
Published
Nov 11, 2007 MysticRogue link
Thanks bunches Whistler :)