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Starfisher:
I was flying the mkII prom, that actually has less thrust but a bit more hull than the mkIII. Your tachs, when you hit, shed a -lot- of my armor, and it was a hard press as I was just wasting my ammo at one point, and wouldn't stand much of a chance if we both hadn't agreed to back off. :)
Although, its -fun- to fly one. I feel like a kid with a new toybox :)
I was flying the mkII prom, that actually has less thrust but a bit more hull than the mkIII. Your tachs, when you hit, shed a -lot- of my armor, and it was a hard press as I was just wasting my ammo at one point, and wouldn't stand much of a chance if we both hadn't agreed to back off. :)
Although, its -fun- to fly one. I feel like a kid with a new toybox :)
Look, I've fought amarus' rocketprom before, and I know how to keep some distance, I know you can't just fight it like any other fighter.
But when it takes Niki to actually make any headway against it, there's a problem. And you can't just say "well, people need to learn to fight it". Cuz it seems to me that the skill required of the light fighter pilot to beat it, is inordinate compared to the skill required to use it.
It may be that the Skycommand Prom has a drain problem. But then so did the IBG, but that never stopped anyone around here from complaining about it. And it never stopped those ships from being useable in a CTC context.
EDIT: you guys say, "wait till monday, let people fly it" But The itani are going to have serious problems today
Lin: the comment about 12v2 is disingenuous, since you guys almost universally have 10+ on the ramp up days. Not to mention that I was helping keep the number attacking your 2 down, so that it was generally only about 5 vs 2.
But when it takes Niki to actually make any headway against it, there's a problem. And you can't just say "well, people need to learn to fight it". Cuz it seems to me that the skill required of the light fighter pilot to beat it, is inordinate compared to the skill required to use it.
It may be that the Skycommand Prom has a drain problem. But then so did the IBG, but that never stopped anyone around here from complaining about it. And it never stopped those ships from being useable in a CTC context.
EDIT: you guys say, "wait till monday, let people fly it" But The itani are going to have serious problems today
Lin: the comment about 12v2 is disingenuous, since you guys almost universally have 10+ on the ramp up days. Not to mention that I was helping keep the number attacking your 2 down, so that it was generally only about 5 vs 2.
We're still winning. And winning.
The prom has desuckified. Now we have to learn to fight it again. I got owned twice by it, I know it's hard - I think it might need some minor tweaking, specifically a lowering of hull. But that's it. It's fine otherwise. I haven't found enough of them to judge. Vultures are your friend VS a prom, though I think a valk would do quite well if sunflares were low enough mass to mount. Single Flare + two tachs and I could kill a prom. It would be hard, not certain, but the ships would be balanced enough in their own rights that it would be a qeustion of pilot skill, not ship over-balancing.
The prom has desuckified. Now we have to learn to fight it again. I got owned twice by it, I know it's hard - I think it might need some minor tweaking, specifically a lowering of hull. But that's it. It's fine otherwise. I haven't found enough of them to judge. Vultures are your friend VS a prom, though I think a valk would do quite well if sunflares were low enough mass to mount. Single Flare + two tachs and I could kill a prom. It would be hard, not certain, but the ships would be balanced enough in their own rights that it would be a qeustion of pilot skill, not ship over-balancing.
Yeah, let me say that I'm NOT advocating another nerf. I just want something to be slightly weaker. The maneuver speed (which would seem to make the most sense, it could still aim, but translational movement would be a little tougher than in fighters) should be dropped a bit from 65, and the armor should be dropped a little bit.
I think with that I'd be willing to take my chances.
I think with that I'd be willing to take my chances.
One thing that i like about the prom is that it makes the fights longer with all the hit points. I mean i fought Niki for a good five minutes till he ran away in an ibg. The thing is that you can't backroll away from a ship that has over twice your hit points. It just doesn't make sense.... The prom kills small ships... especially when you don't try to out maneuver it. I say give it a few days. I mean 70 posts? What was the bounty post up to? Though that didn't effect ctc.
/givemoney Devs 2c
/givemoney Devs 2c
HAHA, flyin uber centaurs IS SO FUN :D ever use lightning mines in a battle? no you didn't they're too heavy... NOT ANYMORE :D
*wipes tear* but seriously :) light ships don't have a prayer.
*wipes tear* but seriously :) light ships don't have a prayer.
/me smacks Shape and kicks him to bed.
I suggest you all go read my thread
http://www.vendetta-online.com/x/msgboard/1/8773
The Centaur (not the Prom) gives me a pretty good chance (probably 60 - 70%) of killing Shape or Holden, if they are flying Centurion Rev C's. That is not a good thing. They are both much better pilots than I am, flying the best light fighters in the game and don't have to tolerate a 250 - 300ms ping.
http://www.vendetta-online.com/x/msgboard/1/8773
The Centaur (not the Prom) gives me a pretty good chance (probably 60 - 70%) of killing Shape or Holden, if they are flying Centurion Rev C's. That is not a good thing. They are both much better pilots than I am, flying the best light fighters in the game and don't have to tolerate a 250 - 300ms ping.
I'm going to try the Centaur later today, I haven't gotten a chance.
I think that everyone would agree with increasing the torque and armor and decreasing the thrust and drain (enough that it can't dodge like a Centurion any more) on the Proms. That would make it fit more into the "heavy ship" niche in my mind.
-:sigma.SB
I think that everyone would agree with increasing the torque and armor and decreasing the thrust and drain (enough that it can't dodge like a Centurion any more) on the Proms. That would make it fit more into the "heavy ship" niche in my mind.
-:sigma.SB
Wow shape, I am impressed your calm and well thought out arguments, which I'm sure you made after weeks of careful consideration and trying to find a new fighting style to match the new heavies. The fact that your position is supported by respected members of the community just seals the deal.
Please do go on posting your constructive criticism.
PS:
Yes, I have used l-mines in battles before. They were okay, but people tended to shoot up my mines quite a bit.
Please do go on posting your constructive criticism.
PS:
Yes, I have used l-mines in battles before. They were okay, but people tended to shoot up my mines quite a bit.
No, I was actually serious, piloting the centaurs was fun.
As I stated before,
spider and lin answerred, they have never jumped the gun in any of their propositions so if they say that the prom is balanced then I will consider them balanced.
And trust me, niki is by far the only person able to take a prom out. Im sure that phoenix and icarus will be able to take them out just as well, as will any other pilot that has the ability to think outside of the box. The only difference with the past is that the prom has been a target (expesnive one at it). And as other people have stated before use other shiptypes, don't expect a fly to squat a flysquatter with ease... Unless you have multiple flies.
And yes, in my eyes an ibg or cent is a fly. Use the hornet, the wraith, the valk or the vult. Im sure they will have bigger chances if decked out appropiately. And if they don't, then some rebalancing of them is needed(although I guess maybe the only one will be the hornet, so it can use its multitude of guns easier).
And once more, I still favour a small decrease in weight for the gauss and the sunflare. Just to make them a bit easier to use (drop with 10-15% in weight for instance).
cheers
spider and lin answerred, they have never jumped the gun in any of their propositions so if they say that the prom is balanced then I will consider them balanced.
And trust me, niki is by far the only person able to take a prom out. Im sure that phoenix and icarus will be able to take them out just as well, as will any other pilot that has the ability to think outside of the box. The only difference with the past is that the prom has been a target (expesnive one at it). And as other people have stated before use other shiptypes, don't expect a fly to squat a flysquatter with ease... Unless you have multiple flies.
And yes, in my eyes an ibg or cent is a fly. Use the hornet, the wraith, the valk or the vult. Im sure they will have bigger chances if decked out appropiately. And if they don't, then some rebalancing of them is needed(although I guess maybe the only one will be the hornet, so it can use its multitude of guns easier).
And once more, I still favour a small decrease in weight for the gauss and the sunflare. Just to make them a bit easier to use (drop with 10-15% in weight for instance).
cheers
Hahahaa.
Renagade. Get in the game, play it. and then make that sort of call. Until you do your opinion is not up to date and is of no value.
Hornet, Wraith, and Valk are, at present, going to get hammered by the Proms. The best foil for the Prom at the moment is a Centaur.
Renagade. Get in the game, play it. and then make that sort of call. Until you do your opinion is not up to date and is of no value.
Hornet, Wraith, and Valk are, at present, going to get hammered by the Proms. The best foil for the Prom at the moment is a Centaur.
stay outside the 150 mark with your valk and it will do good. Try the gauss or the sunflare on a valk, Or even a double gauss will in my opinion do miracles. Just use the boxedness of the prom agaisnt it. BUT STAY OUTSIDE OF THE 150m zone of force.
The wraith is however kinda logical that is will loose since in my eyes its a beefed down prom. But maybe that is just me.
And yes, the hornet will loose specifically because it is a big target and is very slow to respond once you add the necessary gund on it. In my opinion it should have the same manouvrability as a vult when you put 2 gausses and 2 suns on it. Or 4 suns. but that is maybe only my idea. But naturally once you put less on it , it should not become that much better agilitywise.
cheers
The wraith is however kinda logical that is will loose since in my eyes its a beefed down prom. But maybe that is just me.
And yes, the hornet will loose specifically because it is a big target and is very slow to respond once you add the necessary gund on it. In my opinion it should have the same manouvrability as a vult when you put 2 gausses and 2 suns on it. Or 4 suns. but that is maybe only my idea. But naturally once you put less on it , it should not become that much better agilitywise.
cheers
Renegade, play the game as it stands now. It has changed massively in the past few weeks. Your comments are all just.. wrong :/
give me an access in Rennes where I can play, and I will...
At the moment I am strapped to this university access...
PS; the hornet remark was not a it acts this way, but a it should act this way...
At the moment I am strapped to this university access...
PS; the hornet remark was not a it acts this way, but a it should act this way...
Then stop telling us how to fight with ship combos that don't work any more. Feel free to comment on what you THINK the game should be, but unless you're actually playing you have no credibility in commenting on what it IS.
Renegade:
Ships are WAY faster and agiler now, but weapons fire is at the same speed as you know it.
Result: Fights at 200m like before are not doable now. The new Ships dodge that without problems.
Ships are WAY faster and agiler now, but weapons fire is at the same speed as you know it.
Result: Fights at 200m like before are not doable now. The new Ships dodge that without problems.
OK, I tried a little experimenting with a trial account (I'll be back for real soon).
I don't get it Shape your good enough to pick up this trick! AGT is no harder to dodge than it has ever been. Perhaps you just haven't the experience in this particular kind of style yet. With the zippy vultures (and valks I assume) you can run circles around the AGT auto aim. Just don't stay close or still for long. Perhaps light pilots have forgotten how to use turbo in a dog fight? It was more usefull in the days of rampant rocket attacks.
I'm not commenting on whether the prom is too powerfull, obviously I haven't flown one yet, but I did have some people shoot AGT's at me and dodging them was np, well no more than usual. Nerf the AGT and you might kill of Hogs and (gasp) Atlasies...
I don't get it Shape your good enough to pick up this trick! AGT is no harder to dodge than it has ever been. Perhaps you just haven't the experience in this particular kind of style yet. With the zippy vultures (and valks I assume) you can run circles around the AGT auto aim. Just don't stay close or still for long. Perhaps light pilots have forgotten how to use turbo in a dog fight? It was more usefull in the days of rampant rocket attacks.
I'm not commenting on whether the prom is too powerfull, obviously I haven't flown one yet, but I did have some people shoot AGT's at me and dodging them was np, well no more than usual. Nerf the AGT and you might kill of Hogs and (gasp) Atlasies...
:) I encourage you to try those tactics against my centaur :). I've been waxing Valks. It's not just the AGT (which can easily keep up if the platform for it rotates fast enough), it's the capacity for the ship to carry a lot of other firepower as well. So, for example, I carry AGT, Jacks, and flares.
Generally, the AGT wastes most ships (since they can't successfully get the angle on the centaur), but on the few that need a little extra encouragement, the rockets annihilate them.
Generally, the AGT wastes most ships (since they can't successfully get the angle on the centaur), but on the few that need a little extra encouragement, the rockets annihilate them.