Okies, I better start moving some of those around to B8 >:)

If I may, I would like to add one more to the list:

Reduce the Valk turbo speed by 5 m/s (Rune by 2 m/s), but increase the IBG turbo speed by 5 m/s.

I'm interested to see if there would be any opposition to that.

I don't oppose it but why boost the IBGs speed? it is fairly quick as is.

In the interest of thinning out some ideas. I'm also going to cast a vote against 5 and 11.

5. Although one of my personal favorite ideas, I'm beginning to see the reasoning behind the counter arguments and think this may be a better idea to experiment with on its own rather than in relation to balance.

11. I strongly support 13 over this idea.

or reduce valk by 10m/s and increase IBG by 5m/s :)

I mean, how often do you see anyone with an IBG in B8?

I'm really trying to get some ideas removed as opposed to adding new ones at this point so that we can start voting with +1's on a smaller set of options. But if there is enough support for this idea I will add it.

IMHO though, the valk is supposed to be fast. We don't want to take its role away, just give it a little more apparent weakness.

I vote agaisnt 8. No amount of torque speed will save the prom in 2+ v 1.

I also vote agaisnt 4.

unless it is a minor buff to give serco a chase capable ship, i will almost universally oppose any and all buf suggestions. most of the ships in the galaxy are already fairly well balanced. buffing something, especially one of the four "top guns", really throws the galaxy as a whole out of wack.

Recorded Crusader's votes against 8 and 4. Removed idea 4 as it has garnered a reasonable amount of votes against.

If we can eliminate one or two more ideas, I think we'd be in a good position to open the +1's up.

In favor of ruling out suggestions, I'm casting my votes against 5 and 10. They seem obsolete, to me (Not necessarily 5, it just seems a little far-fetched).

Recorded Shank's votes against 5 and 10.

wow, for once crying worked? I guess it takes 8 pages, cool. BTW, going around nerfing everything isn't gonna solve the problem.

I'm pretty much against 8 10 and 11.

I'm against 5 and 12.

I like ShankTank's idea about new Wraith and Hornet varients... maybe something like this for the Wraith? - http://www.vendetta-online.com/x/msgboard/3/20286

Recorded votes against 5, 8, 10, 11, 12. Removed idea 5.

I'm going to cast a vote against 10 and remove that one as well.

Unless anyone is opposed, I'm also going to remove idea 8 as I think we can all agree that would have dire consequences on 1 v 1.

That brings us to 4 ideas. I'll open the +1's in a new thread for organization's sake.

Edit: +1 thread is open here: http://www.vendetta-online.com/x/msgboard/3/23651?page=#294693

8 was possibly tied to decreasing armor when introduced which wasn't stated in poll. (I'm objecting)

Alright, I'll modify it and throw it back up under possible solutions and add it to the options in the +1 thread.

I'll elaborate on my idea for Wraith and Hornet variants for the Serco and Itani on this thread:

Serco Striker Hornet (Elite Interceptor Variant)
6/7/-/-/-
Price range: 50-80k
Faction: +800 Serco
4 Small ports
Armor: 12000
Cargo: 10
Mass: 6400 kg
Thrust: 310 N
Turbo Thrust: 340 N
Max Speed: 67 m/s
Spin Torque: 9.0 Nm
Turbo Speed: 225 m/s
Turbo Energy: 52/s

Itani Draugr (Elite Assault Wraith Variant)
6/-/7/-/-
Price range: 50-80k
Faction: +800 Itani
2 Large ports
Armor: 18000
Cargo: 15
Mass: 9500 kg
Thrust: 480 N
Turbo Thrust: 450 N
Max Speed: 62 m/s
Spin Torque: 10.5 Nm
Turbo Speed: 215 m/s
Turbo Energy: 57/s

Edit: For those of you that are confused about the Itani Wraith's name and are too lazy to look it up, yourselves... here's the wiki article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draugr

Wraith/Revenant name variants usually have some ghost theme going on, so I thought I'd go with this one considering that draugr are hard to kill and come from norse mythology... which is right up the ally of an Itani prom knockoff.

bah all ye need is a nw with a number of serco players (the ol one/scar for example) equal to the total number of smurfs and cheezies, and all flying scps, then we will see how yer valk ninnies will perform and only then ye could decide of a nerf : )

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