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Apr 05, 2010 PaKettle link
Being as this is a MILITARY operation only members in good standing with the military should be allowed to pass or board ship.

Everyone else should be turned back (friendly or neutral (UIT)) or destroyed (hostile)

A pilot in good standing will not attempt to cross the blockade.
Apr 05, 2010 Aticephyr link
Interesting. Why not tie what military you joined (combined with continued high standing -- speaking of which, do you get booted from the military if you become disliked?) to who can get through? I like it.
Apr 05, 2010 ryan reign link
Serco voy: Destroys all Itani regardless of standing, any UIT with Itani Respected or higher and any Serco with Itani respected or higher.

Itani voy: Destroys all Serco regardless of standing, any UIT with Serco Respected or higher and any Itani with Serco respected or higher.

This would be the simplest and most logical way to go.
Apr 05, 2010 ShankTank link
Well actually, I think the idea of shooting everyone (regardless of native faction) with disliked or higher standing with the opposing faction is a much simpler solution.

Think about it logically, anyone in that sector able to pass through the wormhole without getting shot by the uber turrets on the other side is probably there to provide that faction with business and therefore must die. Everyone else, on the other hand, is there to either pirate that faction's space or assist the war convoy - they live.

It also gives nationalists a reason to have KoS with the opposing faction. Pirates are currently the only ones who have a reason to be KoS with their enemy faction (whatever their native faction is)... nationalists, on the other hand, have no reason not to buy both Proms and Valks whenever they want.
Apr 05, 2010 ryan reign link
As long as they shoot people who are tri PoS, then thats fine.
Apr 05, 2010 Aticephyr link
As long as they shoot people who are tri PoS, then thats fine.

ehhhhhhh. Standing is currently shown in terms of... standing. If you have high Serco standing, then they like you, end of story. That's why the military idea is a good one. Just shoot everyone not in your military.
Apr 06, 2010 ShankTank link
They have docking rights with Serco [or Itani] stations, they're flying in Serco [or Itani] space, they have the potential to provide them with business. The goals of the War Convoys are just to cut off the opposing side from trading and CtC with grey as much as possible. Sorry if this makes Valk ferrying a little harder...

Players also don't need to be in the military to participate in CtC, just having a military-based target picking system would potentially break the infinite loop desired with the War Convoys of:

BS missions affecting War Convoys -> War Convoys affecting CtC -> CtC affecting weapons access (this will be the new weak link in the cycle after perfecting War Convoys) -> weapon access affecting the outcome of BS missions -> ...
Apr 06, 2010 ryan reign link
"Why not tie what military you joined combined with continued high standing... ... to who can get through?"

If the Devs made it so that by joining the military made you KoS to the enemy that would be acceptable.
Apr 06, 2010 ryan reign link
Also, they should spawn more than once a day, at least four times.
Apr 06, 2010 Kierky link
Do you understand what "war" means??? Let yoda clarify it even more.

http://www.vendetta-online.com/x/msgboard/3/23001#286120
Apr 06, 2010 Kierky link
And yes, +1 to Snax_28
Apr 06, 2010 yodaofborg link
It should be this simple.

Itani fleet attacks all Serco, regardless of standing. It only attacks UIT/Itani players if they are Itani hate or below.

Serco fleet attacks all Itani and any player that has Itani respect or above, regardless of Faction.

Would help define the two nations if they behaved slightly different, imho.

[edit]

Serco fleet obviously attacks anyone hated or below also.
Apr 06, 2010 PaKettle link
I cant see any reason why a serco would fire on a serco POS player even if they are itani. Fixing the faction issues so Serco and Itani are mutually exclusive would be a better way and make a lot more sense.

The military system is almost non exisitant to-date. Perhaps if Incarnate posted a proposal.... or we could :}

Naval ranks seems to be the most common system in Sci-fi...
Each rank should increase pay and reduce repair costs by 10 percent.

Rank could increase based on xp earned in battles WON. (Lost fights get you nothing.)

Senior officers should be able to initiate major group combat missions.

....
Apr 07, 2010 ShankTank link
As I said, you do not have to be in the military to trade with a nation, participate in CtC, or shoot the convoy itself. And too many people are tri nation PoS (including nationalists) to allow the War Convoys to make an impact if they were restricted to not firing on people PoS with their own nation no matter what. They should shoot everyone that isn't hated or below with the opposing nation and not respected or above with their own nation.
Apr 07, 2010 ryan reign link
Give some kind of xp reward for destroying the ships in the voy.
Apr 07, 2010 PaKettle link
It is However a military blockade - no passage for traders.

Tough call to make - In real life trade ships are searched and turned back unless carrying humanitarian supplies
Apr 07, 2010 ryan reign link
"In real life trade ships are searched and turned back..."

Which would be cool, though that seems like a ton more work than "Hey, he's bringing the enemy supplies... LETS KILL HIM!!!"

"...unless carrying humanitarian supplies."

Thanks PaK, I needed a laugh... though in reality, there is nothing funny about humanitarian relief getting shot up/bombed, the funny part was where you said they let it through. Check out the mortality rate for Red Cross and other humanitarian aid groups, you'll be surprised and or disgusted.
Apr 07, 2010 peytros link
ITT traders complain out it being harder to make an endless supply of money.
Apr 07, 2010 ShankTank link
Even if letting ships that have "humanitarian supplies" through was possible and not exploitable, it just wouldn't roll. Serco hate the Itani and the Itani hate the Serco, neither of them are fighting the war for some concrete and vital goal like more resources, minerals, or planets. Hell, even the damned nazis wanted "more space for the fatherland" and they still probably wouldn't have let Russians or anyone else by with humanitarian aid. And the damned U-Boats just shot everything, no questions asked and no warning given. And this isn't even that, the Serco and Itani just want each other dead...

Also, it is very rare that a player rolls through a blockade in VO. Imagine some Serco sit in Edras for half an hour without seeing a damned thing and suddenly an Itani XC jumps in. Think they're going to say "Oh wait, no, let him through... he's carrying Verasi Specialty Foods. That's humanitarian supplies." and let him by?
Apr 07, 2010 CrazySpence link
I would enjoy the risk of some random serco fleet descending upon me and adding a little excitement to my day.

Make sure they are trigger happy on the trip to their sector too. then no one in grey is safe either