MSKanaka

i may be able to get a ship i want anywhere..but what about the equipment ?

its also not about someone getting irritated by anyone,if anyones getting "irritated" its the victim.
you should also read the VO rules sometime,its clearly stated whos doing wrong.

and my points still stand too,it is NOT pirating by any definition unless you are capable of of capturing the cargo,its pure and simply backstabbing for stats.
he isnt doing it in grey...hes doing it as a UIT in UIT space

AND it can only harm the game by scaring away customers,because we are not players,
its a subscription...we are customers and they need the money.
i took a look at the guilds,where are all the members ?
why are there only 30 odd people playing the game ?

did you ever think the devs expect such behaviour to be ostrisised by the community,leaving them to do other things.

@bojan

good to see someone with the same sense of decency.
because as MSKanaka states,if its ok to do it,why have i not used what rank and weapons i have to do exactly the same thing ?,some will sink to a level that others see as abysmal behaviour,and some wont.
even in other online games,its mainly the community that makes this sort of gameplay undesirable.

Och , AJ if someone is doing that on too regular a basis , then ask for a bit of help .

There are plenty of experienced pilots in the trade guilds who will pop up to Dau and make life uncomfortable for pirates .......

Ecka

Gotta disagree with you on this one Bojan.

AJ:

There's a reason why there's better equipment in grey. Because its supposed to be INCREDIBLY dangerous there.

You CAN get better equipment, but its at the risk of getting blown away.

Chist, where was this n00blet while Tumble and I were running around Dau and Arta C?

Rimjob, trust me on this: you've got it easy, fun and safe with Krag.

Bojan: What *exactly* constitutes station-killing? How do you measure it? What do you do if people are unfairly punished, or even innocent of the 'crime'? What if the 'newbie' is just a PITA asking to get killed?

It's easy to demand sanctions. It's a pain to implement them.

As for AJ: You've been told by quite a few people (I count 5) the almost exactly same thing, essentially: Get better (at fighting), or ask for help. Asking for other players to be reprimanded, or the (partially intended¹) state of the game to be changed is less likely.

1: The devs stated very clearly that the ubiquitous danger is very much intended. There are supposed to be no 'safe zones' where a new player can not be shot down, instead, the idea is that there are measures to prevent this, other than granting invincibility. There's also the problem of exploiting that invincibility, should it be granted. I won't pretend that this is working right not, but I possess patience.

Dr. Lecter..true what they say..theres always a troll on every board

davejohn...already applied to a guild,and had masses of help from Screaming woo,and a few others,god bless em

Shapenaji....you didnt read the thread did you...lol

toshiro....read my stats,if that doesnt constitute murder,what does.
i know theres no way to get by the fact that the longer players with high stats and weaponry will continue to use or abuse them,all i am pointing out is the effect its having on a newcomer.
as for getting better,well the games set so you have to trade/mine etc for creds and experience,block that path and then what ? cheat ?
reprimanded ?..where did i say that ?
the game should do that.

anyway..this is supposed to be the suggestion section,not the arguement section.

simply pointing out the newcomers plight.

just had a thought or two..along the lines of the suggestion

shoot own faction ...automatically dumped in the pirate faction.
once in the pirate faction,only pirate sectors are safe.
so instead of it being so one sided,not only is it dangerous for faction members to go to pirate space,its just as dangerous for a pirate to go to faction sector.
of course you would need patrols until the member base increases.
no more hiding behind a badge,pirates would actually have to be pirates.
everyone would know who to watch and when troubles around.

end of problem.

Yes, we know about the new players' plight. It has not yet been discussed to death, but it's in suspended animation.

Also, I was commenting on the problems that arise with the implementation of sanctions against killers of new players, not on your case in particular in that last post of mine.

Edit to reply to your edit:
A pirate nation would indeed make sense. Right now, it kind of works though, you die to one player, and you learn that s/he's bad news, so you stay away/flee from her/him.

P.S.: You need to level up by only one count in Combat, and you can buy the fast charge battery, which allows infinite turboing, which can be a great help against lesser pirates.

@shape: hehe. I knew you would disagree when grey space is in question, however imho you would have went for a juicy moth first. Shooting Eckas moth is a challenge, blasting newbie is just a pk.
In my newbie days, my EC88 in grey was a favourite target for BLAK regardless of my combat lvl 2 at that time. But i was aware of grey space dangers and I was not picked out of a crowd running thru grey exactly. Usually it was just me and my nemesis in any given grey sector when I met my inevitable doom. :P

In AJs case it was not a question of shooting his newbie ass in grey. I just used that as an example.
He was deliberately picked out, targeted and repeatedly killed in station sector in Dau.

yup..fast turbo helps..until your caught in a trade vessel..then it doesnt help...especially if they are camping at a station or warp point/gate.

and just to make it clear...i in no way meant any offence toshiro,you are one of the few who is actually having a discussion and not just flaming.

if i do seem to cause offence,you can kick me right up the dirt box for free ;))

@ bojansplash
i hardly had any attacks in grey,i lways take a fast ship in and get through gate at the 10 sec warning mark,by using the fast charger,if i die in grey,its my fault,i expect it...but on my home turf by one of my own ?..that aint cricket...lol

so instead of it being so one sided,not only is it dangerous for faction members to go to pirate space,its just as dangerous for a pirate to go to faction sector.
of course you would need patrols until the member base increases.
no more hiding behind a badge,pirates would actually have to be pirates.

Mr. Rimmer isn't paying attention to what happens in the sector: since it was a UIT attacking him, that UIT was at least -600 UIT standing. In that case, the Strike Force must have launched to attack the pirate at any UIT station, and at most UIT wormholes.

So the pirates are already unsafe in UIT space.

not when he was in good standing with the TPG,which is how he managed to do the sneaky,somehow you can be KOS with DAU but in DAU-10 you can be in good with the TPG and protected.

one time he even rammed me and i was the one shot to bits by the storm fighters.

plus the stations are not launching against bot pirates ,either.

A veteran pirate can make newbies life miserable anywhere in VO universe if he decides to do it. Strike force is a joke, provided he uses some known tricks.

So, actually, atm its just a question of ethics and morals.
Getting easy pks by stationkilling helpless newbie in nation space or not.

Majority of VO veteran pirates wont touch a "real" newbie below combat 3-4 in nation space unless they are provoked by newbies actions or words.
Sometimes even provocation wont make them kill him, maybe just shoot him to 2% to get him scared.
Some players are just sadists feeding on their "awesome powers" to make newbies miserable in their nations space by stationkilling and griefing them.
As in real life, human trash exists in VO too.

An EC88 in grey space, whereever he/she is and regardless of levels, should be destroyed with extreme prejudice.

On Principle.

If not, the said player will grow up soft, cuddly, kinda like my pomeranian. In other words, a carebear.

(For old times' sake : YARR!)

stations ought to be outfitted with them old cappy laser turrets. 3000m range.

instant death to idiots.

it'd put them sf jokers out of work. and end law gun farming.

as upper casr says,[most wisely] i`m also amazed myself theres no sector defence,surley its needed even if from risk of hive attacks.

I strongly disagree with insta-kill lazers on stations.... In fact, I strongly disagree with insta-kills of any type... it is just a lazy solutions to the problem.
What we need is a tweak to the strike force and station guard AI's. Chasing in this game is difficult for players, how are we to expect bots to chase down pro noob-killers? How about getting the stations guards and strike-force vults to positions themselves between the offender and any friendly units in the sector, and just leaving the seekers to chase (they are after all supposed to be faster then ships?). This way the attacker can't just fly the SF out a distance and come back to shoot the poor noob.

Wow so it's a major "flaw" that Pirates were born of their own nation? I never knew... and one worth unsubscribing for! Wow!

For the record, I have killed AJRimmer 4 times total, ever. Twice he was in a moth, total value over 400k. I scooped up every last crate. The other two times he was in a hornet, and given his comments on 100, I am not ashamed at all. If it were not for him shooting off his mouth, I would have let him go the first time.

I have all the logs for those interested.

Personally I would like to see Gauss and Gatling Turrets on stations. Something like the cap ships have. They could lay down heavy fire within a few hundreds meters of a station, making it much harder for someone who wasn't wanted to hang around. That should give n00bs a chance to dock. With SF, you can't really just float around waiting on someone to leave. If you're jumping in and out of the sector, you're not likely to catch them if they make a run for it. I would expect them to be able to get 3000 meters out before you could get within 1000 meters *most of the time*.

The faction system actually did the right thing here. UIT stations and (usually) WH sectors sent SF. TPG took a bite out, but not so much it was impossible to recover. The kill would not have ordinarily been worth it, except for AJRimmer shooting his mouth off.

At the moment, pirates are just rogue players of one of the three nations. If I run into a UIT player, I will always show up red on their radar. If I were not red, I wouldn't be able to kill them outside of a duel.

This has probably been said before, but I think it would be interesting to see a low level hive bot jump into station and WH sectors every now and again. SF would have to be dispatched to take care of them, and it would add a feeling of danger to everything. Grey and outlying stations could have more difficult bots that might actually pose a danger to a low level or inexperienced player. Grey WH sectors would have no or minimal SF presence to handle them, giving players something to do. Make the NFZ not apply to attacks on unaligned craft. That could easily replace the unrats.

Oh, those of you reading AJRimmer's post and saying "what Kragmier did" etc, without knowing anything other than what he is feeding you... Shame on you, you should know better.

Hey, as far as reality is concerned, what you did was softball. I and several others turned the UIT capitol systems into 'n00blets in a barrel' for a week or two a bit ago.

Somewhere there's a thread that more fully fleshes out the pros and cons of what to do about the sort of thing that resulted from those sorties... a link would probably be useful here.

"For the record, I have killed AJRimmer 4 times total, ever"

add lying to this list of habits.

as for the "shooting his mouth off" crack...that happened as a result of you,unless your saying i randomly decided to lie about 1 player.

"noob" killing might be allowed,but it sure aint endearing you to anyone but the likes of lektor.
result: you get a few creds..VO looses another customer...great job