i think the problem with the raptor is that it's a light fighter. we already have plenty of light fighters. the cent series is basicly king, and nothing can be made more powerfull as a light fighter without corssing into "unbalanced teratory". even then we still have the vult and the valk to help saturate space with light fighters zipping everywhere.

that hull would make an exelent medium ship if it had 2L ports instead of 2S ports. it could keep the Hog company in that void between the vulture and the wraith on the firepower/manuverability contnuum.

I was looking at your modification, lebermac, and it´s a strange coincidence, when I had just finished modeling the raptor, I started messing with its concept, and, one of the modifications looked a lot like it, the idea was to make a true light fighter, out of the raptor concept, the main diference with your proposal was that I put just one engine on each side and I use inverted delta wings, the fighter looked like an "Y" or a trident.

BTW, apologies accepted... :)

I'd like to see the leberraptor in game. The original raptor is sleek and elegant, while this, instead, looks balanced and powerful, albeit in a light fighter-kinda way. Both have their advantages. Perhaps this one could be something TPG discovered when they accidentally squeezed one of their beta raptor models between two Teradons on a particularily busy day...

Nah, trash the leberraptor and give us the ship Luis suggests.

Yeah. If it looks like I think it will, we'll be able to call it "The Fork"

Actually, in an evolutionary-sort-of-way, the Raptor should replace the Centurion by offering a vessel with everything (except number and type of ports) a hair better than the Cent.

Add a "lift" to that "Fork", and I'm all fer it...

Hehe. "I'm going to kill you with the foooorkliiiiift!"
LMAO.

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raptor still sucks. Descriptionwise it is supposed to fill the hole between the warthog, valk and hornet while in essence it comes closer to a light fighter without the light.

It would be in line with the reasoning to give the raptor 2 large ports and similar thrust as the convoy hornet, the armor of the valk, turbospeed of the warthog, spin torque as it is now.

so:

Raptor TPG Prototype
Faction TPG
Faction Level ~290
Level 4/4/-/-/-
Armor 10500
Cargo 4
Weapons 2 large ports
Mass 4000 kg
Length 17 m
Thrust 240 N
Max Speed 55 m/s
Spin Torque 9.2 Nm
Turbo Speed 210 m/s
Turbo Energy 54/s

maybe then it would be usefull.

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Let this thread rest in peace damnit!
You know the answer to this Rene.
Its "Soon".

Raptor ??

WTF! is a raptor :P

Its this:

http://www.raptor.lanl.gov/

no this
http://www.monstertrucks-uk.com/raptor.html

or maybe this
http://www.f-22raptor.com/

to bad it ain't even any of these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raptor

it is however this:
http://www.vo-wiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Raptor

The problem is that it's worse than a vult MkIV, but more difficult to get. If the raptor is not going to be buffed, then it needs to be made a very low level, run-of-the-mill ship that you can get almost anywhere. I also think the ports should be moved back to where they were. It gave it something unique instead of being the same as every other ship in the game.

The Raptor should be a racing Ship. Fast straight-line accel, 240 m/s speed, infiniboost, slow turning torque, low armor like a bus and 2 "S" Ports.

So it's a racing or fast transport ship, in combat it's a flare platform, but only for one shot. Might be annoying when use by folks who will warp in, fire a bunch of geminis without slowing down, and then warp out.

Anyway, that's what I thought before, and I still think the raptor should be a low-level "special delivery" or "racing" type ship.

Just looking at it, I agree that it should be fast. I think LeberMac is right. It should have relatively light armor (but better than a bus), very fast, and light weapons.

how the hell do you get into the cockpit of a raptor anyways? Seriously.

The fact is, with the sheer size of the raptor head on, it has a right to be fast, certainly faster than the vult, and perhaps faster than the cent too, since they're both such small targets...

Its fast, but its also going to be easier to hit, no matter how you swing it.

If you make it a real chaser, you can drop its acceleration a bit. We haven't had a decent chase ship in ages.

Nice ideas.
How about making it a ultra fast recon ship with only one central gun mount?
230 top speed, 50 drain, 5000 armor, 2500kg weight.

Leadfist, technically I don't think you DO get in the cockpits of any of the ships. You're cyber-jacked in or something. I dunno, ask Incarnate.

But yeah, I like Bojan's idea. Then if it's a 1-port wonder, we won't have any repeats of the "He who shall not be named" incident, with the annoying warping in, spamming, and warping out behavior.

i agree w you but dont you think we should give the newly redone raptor a little time? it seems a lot better to me.