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Yeah wally 'gasp' MaryJaneCheatingpants... who in his right mind with a firm intention to cheat would name his char MaryJaneCheatingpants.
It was a mockery of TGFT cheating and it still is.
This char was invented AFTER the whole TGFT cheating and exploiting debacle was exposed just to make fun of TGFT and maybe catch some 'clever' moron who will send a ticket to report MaryJaneCheatingpants for cheating.
Lol, take a mirror and look at the face of the lucky winner of our contest. :)
It was a mockery of TGFT cheating and it still is.
This char was invented AFTER the whole TGFT cheating and exploiting debacle was exposed just to make fun of TGFT and maybe catch some 'clever' moron who will send a ticket to report MaryJaneCheatingpants for cheating.
Lol, take a mirror and look at the face of the lucky winner of our contest. :)
All you are doing is proving you condone cheating, bud. Please feel free to continue.
On no dear winner of our Report MaryJaneCheatingpants for cheating contest,
MaryJaneCheatingpants was placed inside roid only a couple of times before you reported MaryJaneCheatingpants for cheating. We were actually waiting for the lucky winner....
Incarnate made a post that ability to fly and stay inside roids should not be exploited so MaryJaneCheatingpants now exists only as a fond memory of your contest win and appears only inside stations.
I don't condone cheating but I always enjoy good pun and this was a great one :)
P.S. We haven't exactly thought out the prize for the winner, maybe it will be MaryJaneCheatingpants pants. That will go well with your TGFT cheating asshat and TGFT cheat plug-ins, what do you say?
MaryJaneCheatingpants was placed inside roid only a couple of times before you reported MaryJaneCheatingpants for cheating. We were actually waiting for the lucky winner....
Incarnate made a post that ability to fly and stay inside roids should not be exploited so MaryJaneCheatingpants now exists only as a fond memory of your contest win and appears only inside stations.
I don't condone cheating but I always enjoy good pun and this was a great one :)
P.S. We haven't exactly thought out the prize for the winner, maybe it will be MaryJaneCheatingpants pants. That will go well with your TGFT cheating asshat and TGFT cheat plug-ins, what do you say?
I propose we re-title this thread:
NINNY WARS: Joyleenwall v. BlowjanSplooge
Two Ninnies Enter - One Thread Falls Asleep!
NINNY WARS: Joyleenwall v. BlowjanSplooge
Two Ninnies Enter - One Thread Falls Asleep!
Have your proctologist been 'playful' again Lecter?
I know you like him playful but maybe he overdid it this time.
I know you like him playful but maybe he overdid it this time.
"And, as far as I remember, and as far as I can ascertain, Incarnate never suggested putting a disclaimer. In fact, all he did was say he didn't see a problem with the plugin. Perhaps you can provide a link to this "suggestion"? Or perhaps your memory is incorrect and you are relying upon your bias?"
Memory's working fine. https://www.vendetta-online.com/x/msgboard/14/30033?page=5#359695
"I don't recall any instances of him doing something that I felt was cheating or extremely shady that we were unable to convince him he was in the wrong over.
All ^ that proves is that you don't think anything he's done or supported has been cheating. And you are, of course, witholding the whole Estrian Prosis PK farming situation. Where Bojan completely withheld any judgement or admission of guilt despite very obvious evidence, which ultimately proved to be 100% correct."
Several issues with this. First, I already said that I thought several of the things he was doing or planning to do were or would have been cheating, but that unlike TGFT, he was able to be convinced that those activities were unacceptable. Second, I don't keep up with the whole alt metagame, so I was totally unaware that EP was in SKV, therefor I was not withholding anything. Now that I am aware, I have indeed lost some more respect for SKV due to them putting up with somebody like EP, just as I've lost some respect for TGFT, ITAN, VOID, ONE, and pre-Savet FAMY for putting up with other such trash. Third, EP's cheating was much less blatant and obvious than Sieger's, so I see no reason to think badly of Bojan for withholding judgment until the devs could check rather than just taking you at your word (especially considering that you're not exactly a paragon of honesty).
"From what I can tell, despite you labelling the act "shitty", all you did was give Estrian a light slap on his shoulder; missing was the lengthy admonishment towards Bojan AND Estrian you should have delivered if you wanted to maintain an image of fairness."
Actually, I didn't write lengthy admonishments of Sieger so much as I wrote posts to counter the claims that nothing was wrong with what he was doing. Before people started trying to claim PK inflation was acceptable, I basically just said that Sieger was behaving like an ass and left it at that. But of course the rabid TGFT supporters came out and started acting like he was somehow justified in his cheating, so I elaborated on why PK inflation was wrong. That was meant to apply to anybody who did such things, not only to Sieger. I didn't need to reiterate it all just because more people were confirmed to have done the same thing shortly later.
And don't forget that when Bojan tried to justify hiding in roids or getting privileged information from the devs, I did voice my dissent. You act as though I give SKV a pass, but I don't. Things just don't turn into such a big stink with them because they react better than TGFT does.
"Ultimately, I don't give a shit if people want to paint TGFT as evil corporate overlords. RP is fine. It's when that RP pushes past the game and into unfounded, and/or overreactive, and/or hypocritical accusations of cheating..."
Accusations of cheating were not unfounded, and whether they were hypocritical is irrelevant. Cheaters should not be given a pass just because the person accusing them also cheated. I'll agree regarding people being overreactive during the Sieger incident, of course; I said as much at the time. However, continuing to remind people that TGFT are scum is not overreacting. If TGFT don't want people pointing out that they are scum, perhaps they should apologize and stop being scum.
"You prefer a smaller player base and a VO that more or less remains the same, Rin, so I can understand how you aren't really that bothered."
I do not prefer a smaller playerbase, nor do I prefer a lack of change. In fact, that I do not prefer a lack of change should be pretty obvious given that I've posted many suggestions myself, and supported many other people's suggestions. I simply prefer quality over quantity. If we can increase the size of the playerbase without sacrificing quality of gameplay, then I'm for it. And if we can make the game better, I am for it. What I am against are those changes that would make the game worse for the sake of increasing the playerbase, as well as ideas that are simply bad all around. That doesn't make me anti-change or pro-smallness.
Memory's working fine. https://www.vendetta-online.com/x/msgboard/14/30033?page=5#359695
"I don't recall any instances of him doing something that I felt was cheating or extremely shady that we were unable to convince him he was in the wrong over.
All ^ that proves is that you don't think anything he's done or supported has been cheating. And you are, of course, witholding the whole Estrian Prosis PK farming situation. Where Bojan completely withheld any judgement or admission of guilt despite very obvious evidence, which ultimately proved to be 100% correct."
Several issues with this. First, I already said that I thought several of the things he was doing or planning to do were or would have been cheating, but that unlike TGFT, he was able to be convinced that those activities were unacceptable. Second, I don't keep up with the whole alt metagame, so I was totally unaware that EP was in SKV, therefor I was not withholding anything. Now that I am aware, I have indeed lost some more respect for SKV due to them putting up with somebody like EP, just as I've lost some respect for TGFT, ITAN, VOID, ONE, and pre-Savet FAMY for putting up with other such trash. Third, EP's cheating was much less blatant and obvious than Sieger's, so I see no reason to think badly of Bojan for withholding judgment until the devs could check rather than just taking you at your word (especially considering that you're not exactly a paragon of honesty).
"From what I can tell, despite you labelling the act "shitty", all you did was give Estrian a light slap on his shoulder; missing was the lengthy admonishment towards Bojan AND Estrian you should have delivered if you wanted to maintain an image of fairness."
Actually, I didn't write lengthy admonishments of Sieger so much as I wrote posts to counter the claims that nothing was wrong with what he was doing. Before people started trying to claim PK inflation was acceptable, I basically just said that Sieger was behaving like an ass and left it at that. But of course the rabid TGFT supporters came out and started acting like he was somehow justified in his cheating, so I elaborated on why PK inflation was wrong. That was meant to apply to anybody who did such things, not only to Sieger. I didn't need to reiterate it all just because more people were confirmed to have done the same thing shortly later.
And don't forget that when Bojan tried to justify hiding in roids or getting privileged information from the devs, I did voice my dissent. You act as though I give SKV a pass, but I don't. Things just don't turn into such a big stink with them because they react better than TGFT does.
"Ultimately, I don't give a shit if people want to paint TGFT as evil corporate overlords. RP is fine. It's when that RP pushes past the game and into unfounded, and/or overreactive, and/or hypocritical accusations of cheating..."
Accusations of cheating were not unfounded, and whether they were hypocritical is irrelevant. Cheaters should not be given a pass just because the person accusing them also cheated. I'll agree regarding people being overreactive during the Sieger incident, of course; I said as much at the time. However, continuing to remind people that TGFT are scum is not overreacting. If TGFT don't want people pointing out that they are scum, perhaps they should apologize and stop being scum.
"You prefer a smaller player base and a VO that more or less remains the same, Rin, so I can understand how you aren't really that bothered."
I do not prefer a smaller playerbase, nor do I prefer a lack of change. In fact, that I do not prefer a lack of change should be pretty obvious given that I've posted many suggestions myself, and supported many other people's suggestions. I simply prefer quality over quantity. If we can increase the size of the playerbase without sacrificing quality of gameplay, then I'm for it. And if we can make the game better, I am for it. What I am against are those changes that would make the game worse for the sake of increasing the playerbase, as well as ideas that are simply bad all around. That doesn't make me anti-change or pro-smallness.
@Greenwall
I somehow missed this gem since Siegers and yours line of defense when this started was that he was "testing a plug-in", you guys are going through different songs like a broken jukebox:
Sieger cheated to inflate his stats in order to bring attention to Estrian's cheating. He was prepared for whatever resulting punishment and nobody expected him to escape unscathed.
[09:39] <vo> [100] <Max Lulz> LOL, Sieger just got caught PK farming newb alts
[09:39] <vo> [100] <Estrian> lol @ Sieger pk farming though
[09:39] <vo> [100] <Sieger> Hm? I'm testing a plugin I wrote.
[09:46] <vo> [100] <Estrian> Interesting how you're trying to turn the focus from you, doing your pk farming in odia to me
[09:46] <vo> [100] <Estrian> Feeling a guilty conscience?
[09:46] <vo> [100] <Sieger> No. I admit I tested a plugin and it went good. How is that bad?
[09:48] <vo> [100] <Sieger> I am not doing anything that violates the rules of Vendetta. Stop crying. Look at all the dirt on your slate. You couldn't talk.
Sieger did expect to get away with it, the focus from his original intention to enter the VO pk hall of fame plummeted after he was caught. Even then he tried to pull some lame excuse but when he saw nobody is buying it he tried to find another excuse for his shitty move. As he is not the sharpest tool in the shed, no doubt your instructions on how to mitigate this predicament and cause as less shame as possible for his TGFT buddies helped a lot. However, you are not a good spin doctor so nobody bought your version of the story either.
I somehow missed this gem since Siegers and yours line of defense when this started was that he was "testing a plug-in", you guys are going through different songs like a broken jukebox:
Sieger cheated to inflate his stats in order to bring attention to Estrian's cheating. He was prepared for whatever resulting punishment and nobody expected him to escape unscathed.
[09:39] <vo> [100] <Max Lulz> LOL, Sieger just got caught PK farming newb alts
[09:39] <vo> [100] <Estrian> lol @ Sieger pk farming though
[09:39] <vo> [100] <Sieger> Hm? I'm testing a plugin I wrote.
[09:46] <vo> [100] <Estrian> Interesting how you're trying to turn the focus from you, doing your pk farming in odia to me
[09:46] <vo> [100] <Estrian> Feeling a guilty conscience?
[09:46] <vo> [100] <Sieger> No. I admit I tested a plugin and it went good. How is that bad?
[09:48] <vo> [100] <Sieger> I am not doing anything that violates the rules of Vendetta. Stop crying. Look at all the dirt on your slate. You couldn't talk.
Sieger did expect to get away with it, the focus from his original intention to enter the VO pk hall of fame plummeted after he was caught. Even then he tried to pull some lame excuse but when he saw nobody is buying it he tried to find another excuse for his shitty move. As he is not the sharpest tool in the shed, no doubt your instructions on how to mitigate this predicament and cause as less shame as possible for his TGFT buddies helped a lot. However, you are not a good spin doctor so nobody bought your version of the story either.
You forgot to mention that AnyX was not a plugin publicly posted, and AnyX was not reported to be a "helpful trader plugin". Everyone who used AnyX is inherently aware of it's purpose, since the purpose is its primary one.
That fact that you think you can compare the two plugins on ethical grounds is amusing to me Greenwall, and I am aware you're just using another argument that makes no logical sense.
I'm not interested in having the "PK" discussion again, I have made myself exceptionally clear on my involvement, and my stance on such activities.
That fact that you think you can compare the two plugins on ethical grounds is amusing to me Greenwall, and I am aware you're just using another argument that makes no logical sense.
I'm not interested in having the "PK" discussion again, I have made myself exceptionally clear on my involvement, and my stance on such activities.
@greenwall
If you in fact do not condone the behavior of TGFT nor SKV, what the hell are you doing standing over there by TGFT's ranks? Wouldn't it look better for your position if you simply went independent like say, Rin?
Otherwise you just look deceitful, manipulative, and hypocritical.
If you in fact do not condone the behavior of TGFT nor SKV, what the hell are you doing standing over there by TGFT's ranks? Wouldn't it look better for your position if you simply went independent like say, Rin?
Otherwise you just look deceitful, manipulative, and hypocritical.
@rin
Noted rin re: incarnate's comment, I could have sworn I scoured that whole damn thread page by page. Guess I skipped over that page. You claimed she only added it after he commented, but I clearly see she added it prior to him commenting (on the disclaimer). So it appears both our memories were mistaken.
so I see no reason to think badly of Bojan for withholding judgment until the devs could check rather than just taking you at your word (especially considering that you're not exactly a paragon of honesty).
First, Bojan still witholds judgment per his reasoning that the devs said EP didn't cheat (but punished him anyway). It's clear to anyone that he padded his duel stats from the links Nahin was kind enough to post. Bojan is holding out because EP is his "friend", or at least he wants him to be.
Second, I feel this is the second or third time you questioned my honesty without offering any examples to back yourself up. Why don't you do me the favor of showing how I've been dishonest or otherwise shut the fuck up about it, k?
That was meant to apply to anybody who did such things, not only to Sieger.
You called EP a "Bad Kitty". You called Sieger an "asshole". You also said, and I quote: "This thread is about a specific instance of Sieger's shitty behavior."
I think it's pretty clear that you were applying your comments, on the whole, to Sieger, and not to "anybody who did such things". I think you need to do a MUCH better job of trying to be impartial, if you really feel you are that way, because you come across quite the opposite in this situation.
Yes, you did criticize Bojan about the hiding in the road thing.
Accusations of cheating were not unfounded, and whether they were hypocritical is irrelevant.
I fully disagree. The hyprocisy is completely relevant. Sieger did not get a pass by the devs, nor did I expect him to. I personally gave him a pass on the moral grounds of exposing other underlying cheating. Had there not been a huge cryfest about Sieger, extensive investigation into EPs pks would almost certainly never happened. Sieger took one for the team. That's an important distinction to me. Not so much to you apparently.
@bojan
It benefits Sieger that you consider him to be stupid. Your taking him at his word that he was just "testing a plugin" likely bought him more time to make his point. I personally never said anything to reflect that I believe he was just testing a plugin - just another lie from you.
@Kierky
AnyX didn't have to be publicly posted to take advantage of other people unawares, it achieved this task through Ninjr's buddy list, as well as everyone who was buddies with an ITAN member or alt thereof. Anyone with any intelligence would, after reading this information about AnyX, hide their buddy locations from everyone on their buddy list aside from those most trusted. And they should also be fairly pissed off at their ITAN friends who didn't tell them they were being watched.
@joyless
If you can't understand why I support TGFT against Bojan/Kierky/friends, despite my explaining as much specifically in this thread and elsewhere upon multiple occasions, I don't think there's anything else I can say to get you to understand... except perhaps that I have had a very good overall experience and view of TGFT and their behavior and it's positive impact on the game, and you apparently had the opposite experience. ^(edited for clarity!)
I don't see how I'm being deceitful, hypocritical or manipulative. If you are interested, maybe you could give me some examples of each so I could understand your point of view better?
Noted rin re: incarnate's comment, I could have sworn I scoured that whole damn thread page by page. Guess I skipped over that page. You claimed she only added it after he commented, but I clearly see she added it prior to him commenting (on the disclaimer). So it appears both our memories were mistaken.
so I see no reason to think badly of Bojan for withholding judgment until the devs could check rather than just taking you at your word (especially considering that you're not exactly a paragon of honesty).
First, Bojan still witholds judgment per his reasoning that the devs said EP didn't cheat (but punished him anyway). It's clear to anyone that he padded his duel stats from the links Nahin was kind enough to post. Bojan is holding out because EP is his "friend", or at least he wants him to be.
Second, I feel this is the second or third time you questioned my honesty without offering any examples to back yourself up. Why don't you do me the favor of showing how I've been dishonest or otherwise shut the fuck up about it, k?
That was meant to apply to anybody who did such things, not only to Sieger.
You called EP a "Bad Kitty". You called Sieger an "asshole". You also said, and I quote: "This thread is about a specific instance of Sieger's shitty behavior."
I think it's pretty clear that you were applying your comments, on the whole, to Sieger, and not to "anybody who did such things". I think you need to do a MUCH better job of trying to be impartial, if you really feel you are that way, because you come across quite the opposite in this situation.
Yes, you did criticize Bojan about the hiding in the road thing.
Accusations of cheating were not unfounded, and whether they were hypocritical is irrelevant.
I fully disagree. The hyprocisy is completely relevant. Sieger did not get a pass by the devs, nor did I expect him to. I personally gave him a pass on the moral grounds of exposing other underlying cheating. Had there not been a huge cryfest about Sieger, extensive investigation into EPs pks would almost certainly never happened. Sieger took one for the team. That's an important distinction to me. Not so much to you apparently.
@bojan
It benefits Sieger that you consider him to be stupid. Your taking him at his word that he was just "testing a plugin" likely bought him more time to make his point. I personally never said anything to reflect that I believe he was just testing a plugin - just another lie from you.
@Kierky
AnyX didn't have to be publicly posted to take advantage of other people unawares, it achieved this task through Ninjr's buddy list, as well as everyone who was buddies with an ITAN member or alt thereof. Anyone with any intelligence would, after reading this information about AnyX, hide their buddy locations from everyone on their buddy list aside from those most trusted. And they should also be fairly pissed off at their ITAN friends who didn't tell them they were being watched.
@joyless
If you can't understand why I support TGFT against Bojan/Kierky/friends, despite my explaining as much specifically in this thread and elsewhere upon multiple occasions, I don't think there's anything else I can say to get you to understand... except perhaps that I have had a very good overall experience and view of TGFT and their behavior and it's positive impact on the game, and you apparently had the opposite experience. ^(edited for clarity!)
I don't see how I'm being deceitful, hypocritical or manipulative. If you are interested, maybe you could give me some examples of each so I could understand your point of view better?
AnyX didn't have to be publicly posted to take advantage of other people unawares, it achieved this task through Ninjr's buddy list, as well as everyone who was buddies with an ITAN member or alt thereof. Anyone with any intelligence would, after reading this information about AnyX, hide their buddy locations from everyone on their buddy list aside from those most trusted. And they should also be fairly pissed off at their ITAN friends who didn't tell them they were being watched.
Neither did TCFT2. Which has similar features. I have no problem with private plugins acting the way they do, they're not being deliberately presented as something else while hiding surreptitious functions.
TGFT went one step too far when they released TGFT_Utilities and concealed functions designed to silently watch and record everything without the user even knowing.
There is no deception in the plugin design of AnyX or TCFT2, as both plugins had the same abilities, without feeling the need to hide it.
AnyX has options for what kind of information is taken from a player who runs it, including buddy locations and self info and spotting. It is not newb friendly, and it is assumed knowledge that everyone in Itan runs it. If Ninjr ran AnyX, then it was his decision to report player locations through the Options.
But with TGFT_Utils, there is no such knowledge about the functions it possesses, nor is there any transparency into who runs it. That is the big difference. We do not try to publicly deceive people into running code that deliberately undermines them.
I suspect you know this, and further discussion or argument on your part is merely you being obtuse. I will no longer waste my time with you or your accusations, because your presence on these forums is not only unwanted in most parts of it, every single thread you comment on is some poisonous rebuttal about how you fail to realise how idiotic the actions you defend are. Time to open your eyes.
Neither did TCFT2. Which has similar features. I have no problem with private plugins acting the way they do, they're not being deliberately presented as something else while hiding surreptitious functions.
TGFT went one step too far when they released TGFT_Utilities and concealed functions designed to silently watch and record everything without the user even knowing.
There is no deception in the plugin design of AnyX or TCFT2, as both plugins had the same abilities, without feeling the need to hide it.
AnyX has options for what kind of information is taken from a player who runs it, including buddy locations and self info and spotting. It is not newb friendly, and it is assumed knowledge that everyone in Itan runs it. If Ninjr ran AnyX, then it was his decision to report player locations through the Options.
But with TGFT_Utils, there is no such knowledge about the functions it possesses, nor is there any transparency into who runs it. That is the big difference. We do not try to publicly deceive people into running code that deliberately undermines them.
I suspect you know this, and further discussion or argument on your part is merely you being obtuse. I will no longer waste my time with you or your accusations, because your presence on these forums is not only unwanted in most parts of it, every single thread you comment on is some poisonous rebuttal about how you fail to realise how idiotic the actions you defend are. Time to open your eyes.
@kierky
I understand the distinction you are making in regards to availability, but it's still spying on people unawares. Furthermore, a disclaimer has been added regarding "the functions it possesses". You are continuing to have a cryfest about something that has been remedied.
Also, to my knowledge, TCFT2 doesn't spy on buddy lists. If that is actually the case, it strengthens my position. By becoming your buddy and sharing their location, people are giving you a certain amount of trust. If, as an AnyX user, you don't disclose to them that their location is being shared at all times with the entire guild, then you are just as dirty as those you accuse.
Personally I don't specifically recall having the option to disclose or not disclose buddy locations when I was in ITAN. Or, if it was an option, it was definitely on by default. In any event, it was made very clear to me that Ninjr was not aware that we could spy on his buddies at the time.
Tracking and collecting people's info in situations where they should reasonably expect privacy is the issue. Whether privately available or publicly available, it doesn't matter in regards to the point I'm making, which you seem lost on.
I understand the distinction you are making in regards to availability, but it's still spying on people unawares. Furthermore, a disclaimer has been added regarding "the functions it possesses". You are continuing to have a cryfest about something that has been remedied.
Also, to my knowledge, TCFT2 doesn't spy on buddy lists. If that is actually the case, it strengthens my position. By becoming your buddy and sharing their location, people are giving you a certain amount of trust. If, as an AnyX user, you don't disclose to them that their location is being shared at all times with the entire guild, then you are just as dirty as those you accuse.
Personally I don't specifically recall having the option to disclose or not disclose buddy locations when I was in ITAN. Or, if it was an option, it was definitely on by default. In any event, it was made very clear to me that Ninjr was not aware that we could spy on his buddies at the time.
Tracking and collecting people's info in situations where they should reasonably expect privacy is the issue. Whether privately available or publicly available, it doesn't matter in regards to the point I'm making, which you seem lost on.
Bojan, you need to stop going after people personally on the VO forums. You also need to stop representing that you "know things" that you.. don't in fact know at all. Case in point:
Estrian Prosis is not SKV. His pk stats were removed for entirely different reason then Siegers. If you want the truth ask EP or Incarnate.
I have no idea what you're talking about. You say that like his stats were reset for poor spelling, or having a bad hair day.
There is no upside to dredging this up, and in no way would my bluntly discussing that situation make EP look any better. Please stop talking about it, period.
Greenwall, I don't care if you're getting baited by Bojan or whomever else, you need to take it down a notch.
In general: If you guys want to yell at each other over email, that's great, have fun. But the VO forums are not here to be the megaphone for your personal agendas and irritations.
Occasionally I see posts on here to the effect of "Go away devs/guides! Leave us to yell at one another in RP! This is our special place of angsty ranting!"
The problem is.. the behaviour spills over into other forums, other threads, other discussions. It ratchets up the general feeling of angst in the game community as a whole. I mean, this thread was supposed to be about a relatively cool player-run game event, a positive thing. And instead a bunch of you guys decided to go off into dramatic la-la land.
We really don't need this kind of melodramatic BS. Shoot each other in the game, and leave it off the forums.
Estrian Prosis is not SKV. His pk stats were removed for entirely different reason then Siegers. If you want the truth ask EP or Incarnate.
I have no idea what you're talking about. You say that like his stats were reset for poor spelling, or having a bad hair day.
There is no upside to dredging this up, and in no way would my bluntly discussing that situation make EP look any better. Please stop talking about it, period.
Greenwall, I don't care if you're getting baited by Bojan or whomever else, you need to take it down a notch.
In general: If you guys want to yell at each other over email, that's great, have fun. But the VO forums are not here to be the megaphone for your personal agendas and irritations.
Occasionally I see posts on here to the effect of "Go away devs/guides! Leave us to yell at one another in RP! This is our special place of angsty ranting!"
The problem is.. the behaviour spills over into other forums, other threads, other discussions. It ratchets up the general feeling of angst in the game community as a whole. I mean, this thread was supposed to be about a relatively cool player-run game event, a positive thing. And instead a bunch of you guys decided to go off into dramatic la-la land.
We really don't need this kind of melodramatic BS. Shoot each other in the game, and leave it off the forums.