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Sigh... Why am I replaying to bojan? Ugh... Let's go!!!
you can rely on Sieger in group combat - he will run and leave his mates to die.
That's bullshit. Never have I heard a complaint from people who have fought by my side. I usually stay until the end. Then beyond that I see no point in wasting a ship on a group of people which usually consists of clowns who could never score the kill on their own. You are among them.
about the only thing he knows how to do with a trident is to launch TU
About the only thing you are good at is be a bugger in a gank. :P
He could have fought back to the bitter end and taken a few of us with him - that would have been honorable thing to do and in the spirit of the nation war event.
Aww boohoo. The traditions, the ethics, the rules. This is Vendetta Online. I look down and stomp on what you value as "traditions" while I happily laugh at it. You should have noticed this by now, old man.
As for the general B8 scenario where I "run" when I am outnumbered... Why would I be so stupid to stay to fight 3 people in flare Valks alone? The chance to go out of that alive is little. I used to do that years ago. I stayed for the explosions and all I got of my enemy was sneaky comments and how they are so much better than I. There was no respectful "hey it was so nice of you to stay. you are such a good sportmsman!!!" Similar is to expect from you and your crew. The VO community has a bunch of dumbasses in it. You are a great part of why this is so. So next time shoot faster. You may get the PK and I won't complain!
Never have I denied a PK to a player in a honorable duel, recorded or not. If I respect a player, I always stay until the end, no matter what the outcome appears to be. I have made this clear more than once.
In the special case of this NW, I thought it would be no use to waste 10-15 more minutes of your and my lifetime by running about in a Trident until you'd finally boom it. I had some worthful stuff aboard, but my primary motivation really was to safe the time. It was clear who'd win and I thought the bunch of cash you all got was enough appreciation of your super-awesome and skillful flying. ;)
If you don't like my policy otherwise, Bojan... Cry me a river!!!
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Anyway. Thank you again for hosting this, TheLazyDJ. It was fun nonetheless.
you can rely on Sieger in group combat - he will run and leave his mates to die.
That's bullshit. Never have I heard a complaint from people who have fought by my side. I usually stay until the end. Then beyond that I see no point in wasting a ship on a group of people which usually consists of clowns who could never score the kill on their own. You are among them.
about the only thing he knows how to do with a trident is to launch TU
About the only thing you are good at is be a bugger in a gank. :P
He could have fought back to the bitter end and taken a few of us with him - that would have been honorable thing to do and in the spirit of the nation war event.
Aww boohoo. The traditions, the ethics, the rules. This is Vendetta Online. I look down and stomp on what you value as "traditions" while I happily laugh at it. You should have noticed this by now, old man.
As for the general B8 scenario where I "run" when I am outnumbered... Why would I be so stupid to stay to fight 3 people in flare Valks alone? The chance to go out of that alive is little. I used to do that years ago. I stayed for the explosions and all I got of my enemy was sneaky comments and how they are so much better than I. There was no respectful "hey it was so nice of you to stay. you are such a good sportmsman!!!" Similar is to expect from you and your crew. The VO community has a bunch of dumbasses in it. You are a great part of why this is so. So next time shoot faster. You may get the PK and I won't complain!
Never have I denied a PK to a player in a honorable duel, recorded or not. If I respect a player, I always stay until the end, no matter what the outcome appears to be. I have made this clear more than once.
In the special case of this NW, I thought it would be no use to waste 10-15 more minutes of your and my lifetime by running about in a Trident until you'd finally boom it. I had some worthful stuff aboard, but my primary motivation really was to safe the time. It was clear who'd win and I thought the bunch of cash you all got was enough appreciation of your super-awesome and skillful flying. ;)
If you don't like my policy otherwise, Bojan... Cry me a river!!!
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Anyway. Thank you again for hosting this, TheLazyDJ. It was fun nonetheless.
@Greenwall (maybe you see a therapist for this pent up frustration)
You seem to continue want to dredge up things from many years past to justify your skewed vision. In the 2 years I have been in ONE we have never done anything but participate WITHOUT complaining in player run events.
Perhaps the money TGFT is paying you to help defend their puppet guild is blinding you to how blatantly childish Voidance's actions were.
@Voidance
Props to you for manning up and apologizing.
You seem to continue want to dredge up things from many years past to justify your skewed vision. In the 2 years I have been in ONE we have never done anything but participate WITHOUT complaining in player run events.
Perhaps the money TGFT is paying you to help defend their puppet guild is blinding you to how blatantly childish Voidance's actions were.
@Voidance
Props to you for manning up and apologizing.
@Sieger
Aww boohoo. The traditions, the ethics, the rules. This is Vendetta Online.
Exactly.
I will repeat what I said in game. The game is what players who play it make it.
Death means nothing in VO and combat is it's best feature.
You can choose to play it out honorable - stay, fight and die and earn respect from others or you can choose to play it like you do and be perceived as a coward for your entire VO life.
You made your choice now live with it.
Aww boohoo. The traditions, the ethics, the rules. This is Vendetta Online.
Exactly.
I will repeat what I said in game. The game is what players who play it make it.
Death means nothing in VO and combat is it's best feature.
You can choose to play it out honorable - stay, fight and die and earn respect from others or you can choose to play it like you do and be perceived as a coward for your entire VO life.
You made your choice now live with it.
Hahaha. Actually I feel that I am only perceived as "coward" by those that are generally not brave enough to approach alone. And man... I don't give a shit about what these clowns think :P
Grab a gun and shoot at my spaceships faster next time. Or come alone for a change!
See ya.
Grab a gun and shoot at my spaceships faster next time. Or come alone for a change!
See ya.
@Bojan/Elder/Shark
You made your choice now live with it.
Aye, live with it Bojan/Elder/Shark. You are one of the least honorable among us. Any respect that might have existed was evaporated when you pushed the TGFT/SKV thing too far.
@hoban
On May 22nd, 2014 your guildmates showed up to event hosted by Momerath42 (set up to test battles between players and large amounts of NPC enemy capital ships) in greyhounds with the sole intention of getting easy pickoff PKs. They completely ruined the event. Maybe you weren't there, but other members of ONE and RED absolutely were. I recall other times but don't have them on record specifically.
You made your choice now live with it.
Aye, live with it Bojan/Elder/Shark. You are one of the least honorable among us. Any respect that might have existed was evaporated when you pushed the TGFT/SKV thing too far.
@hoban
On May 22nd, 2014 your guildmates showed up to event hosted by Momerath42 (set up to test battles between players and large amounts of NPC enemy capital ships) in greyhounds with the sole intention of getting easy pickoff PKs. They completely ruined the event. Maybe you weren't there, but other members of ONE and RED absolutely were. I recall other times but don't have them on record specifically.
@wall of forested hue (props to Rin for the nick)
Your feeble smearing attempts always bring smile to my face.
Any respect that might have existed was evaporated when you pushed the TGFT/SKV thing too far.
All players (me included) that exposed TGFT honey pot spyware scam and all other shady stuff they do have made VO a public service.
The fact remains that TGFT leaders and their sidekicks included (mainly you greenwall) are among the worst despicable immoral and unethical scum that ever played this game.
As for SKV vs TGFT war... they had their chance to make things right and apologize to the entire playebase for their behavior, they refused so the war goes on.
On the matter of respect - it would be a disgrace to any decent player to receive any respect from you.
it would, in fact, mean that they are the same as you. An appalling thought that should make any decent player shiver with disgust.
Your feeble smearing attempts always bring smile to my face.
Any respect that might have existed was evaporated when you pushed the TGFT/SKV thing too far.
All players (me included) that exposed TGFT honey pot spyware scam and all other shady stuff they do have made VO a public service.
The fact remains that TGFT leaders and their sidekicks included (mainly you greenwall) are among the worst despicable immoral and unethical scum that ever played this game.
As for SKV vs TGFT war... they had their chance to make things right and apologize to the entire playebase for their behavior, they refused so the war goes on.
On the matter of respect - it would be a disgrace to any decent player to receive any respect from you.
it would, in fact, mean that they are the same as you. An appalling thought that should make any decent player shiver with disgust.
Ah, I see. So if I respect someone it makes them equivalent to me? Such profound wisdom, professor Bojangles!
The fact remains that TGFT ... are among the worst despicable immoral and unethical scum that ever played this game.
I'm really sorry to break this to you, but your propaganda doesn't magically change the memories of overwhelming scores of players that have been helped by TGFT over the years. Such commentary simply feeds the blind and naive peasant followers who clap giddily in your support for fear of being KOS'd if they don't show enough enthusiasm for your delusional self-perception.
The fact remains that TGFT ... are among the worst despicable immoral and unethical scum that ever played this game.
I'm really sorry to break this to you, but your propaganda doesn't magically change the memories of overwhelming scores of players that have been helped by TGFT over the years. Such commentary simply feeds the blind and naive peasant followers who clap giddily in your support for fear of being KOS'd if they don't show enough enthusiasm for your delusional self-perception.
When TGFT was led by Screwball it was a very respectable guild.
Also, it's true TGFT have helped a great number of new players over the years but all those good deeds fade out faced with their recent behavior. TGFT is not the guild it used to be long time ago.
Sure they help new players still but they fail to mention they have a hidden agenda in doing this - propagating TGFT spyware throughout VO universe.
Also, it's true TGFT have helped a great number of new players over the years but all those good deeds fade out faced with their recent behavior. TGFT is not the guild it used to be long time ago.
Sure they help new players still but they fail to mention they have a hidden agenda in doing this - propagating TGFT spyware throughout VO universe.
Case in point.
I was expecting some new and inventive racial slurs like you often do on 100.
Instead, you are repeating yourself by using this already seen Hitler/Daesh/Kim Jong part of your repertoire. This meme speaks volumes about you.
Weak and pathetic but since everyone knows you are weak and pathetic - no surprise there.
I was expecting some new and inventive racial slurs like you often do on 100.
Instead, you are repeating yourself by using this already seen Hitler/Daesh/Kim Jong part of your repertoire. This meme speaks volumes about you.
Weak and pathetic but since everyone knows you are weak and pathetic - no surprise there.
You sure are putting in a lot of effort to delegitimize my "weak and pathetic" opinion of you.
We're on the wrong side of the RP/RL fence here folks. When we start talking about "players", "game" and getting personal with the insults, there's a good chance things are going over the line. Please move it back onto solid RP ground.
You can talk about how TGFT helps people, but you know what I remember? I remember TGFT's commander browbeating newbie traders if they didn't join. I remember TGFT branding any newb guild that wasn't a trade or anti-pirate guild as a pirate guild. I remember TGFT members blatantly lying about their behavior. I remember TGFT turning countless unaffiliated newbies into unwitting spies on their behalf. I remember TGFT attempting to justify various ways of cheating, and supporting those who did it. Have they done good as well? Sure. It doesn't stop them from being scum.
You might say (and have in the past), "Oh but Rin, SKV do bad stuff too!" And they do! But I've seen more undesirable behavior out of TGFT than I have from SKV, and when I do see such behavior from SKV, I do call them out on it. And that leads to an important difference between SKV and TGFT: when we point out something disreputable that TGFT are doing, they almost always dismiss it; when we point such behavior out to SKV, it's not uncommon for them to reconsider. They don't always listen, but it is possible to reason with SKV. TGFT, on the other hand, tend to be pretty unreasonable.
I don't have a problem with you opposing SKV. But you act like you're on the moral high ground, when you very much are not. To have the moral high ground, you would need to oppose both SKV and TGFT.
Like I do! Pirate moral supremacy! Yarr!
You might say (and have in the past), "Oh but Rin, SKV do bad stuff too!" And they do! But I've seen more undesirable behavior out of TGFT than I have from SKV, and when I do see such behavior from SKV, I do call them out on it. And that leads to an important difference between SKV and TGFT: when we point out something disreputable that TGFT are doing, they almost always dismiss it; when we point such behavior out to SKV, it's not uncommon for them to reconsider. They don't always listen, but it is possible to reason with SKV. TGFT, on the other hand, tend to be pretty unreasonable.
I don't have a problem with you opposing SKV. But you act like you're on the moral high ground, when you very much are not. To have the moral high ground, you would need to oppose both SKV and TGFT.
Like I do! Pirate moral supremacy! Yarr!
@rin
when we point out something disreputable that TGFT are doing, they almost always dismiss it; when we point such behavior out to SKV, it's not uncommon for them to reconsider. They don't always listen, but it is possible to reason with SKV. TGFT, on the other hand, tend to be pretty unreasonable.
That is simply and utterly false. Conflating lack of public participation of TGFT leadership in the VO RP forum sideshow with "being dismissive" purposefully misleading. In fact, I was impressed with how quickly TGFT leadership adjusted the TGFT utilities plugin per public discussion. SKV on the other hand, forces (or tries to force) people into submission. Only recently did they start "showing mercy" to short-lived newb guilds in an effort to save face.
I have the moral high ground because Bojan took his hypocritical and disingenous tirade against TGFT to such a psycopathic level that good and helpful people chose to quit playing this game. It's essentially meta-griefing, and the game is worse off for it.
when we point out something disreputable that TGFT are doing, they almost always dismiss it; when we point such behavior out to SKV, it's not uncommon for them to reconsider. They don't always listen, but it is possible to reason with SKV. TGFT, on the other hand, tend to be pretty unreasonable.
That is simply and utterly false. Conflating lack of public participation of TGFT leadership in the VO RP forum sideshow with "being dismissive" purposefully misleading. In fact, I was impressed with how quickly TGFT leadership adjusted the TGFT utilities plugin per public discussion. SKV on the other hand, forces (or tries to force) people into submission. Only recently did they start "showing mercy" to short-lived newb guilds in an effort to save face.
I have the moral high ground because Bojan took his hypocritical and disingenous tirade against TGFT to such a psycopathic level that good and helpful people chose to quit playing this game. It's essentially meta-griefing, and the game is worse off for it.
You have nothing kid. You don't have morals so 'moral high ground' are just empty words for you.
Well documented and presented facts and examples are not hypocritical and disingenuous tirade - they are true facts and examples.
As for people leaving because TGFT got exposed as cheaters scum guild... that could have easily been avoided if TGFT apologized and stopped cheating. This is on you and your bosses kid, not me.
Well documented and presented facts and examples are not hypocritical and disingenuous tirade - they are true facts and examples.
As for people leaving because TGFT got exposed as cheaters scum guild... that could have easily been avoided if TGFT apologized and stopped cheating. This is on you and your bosses kid, not me.
I'm not aware of any people that left for the reason you claim. My moral high ground on this issue is sustained in the fact that I have never partaken in an effort to grief a friendly group of mostly innocent, and highly combat-averse people. It's bullying in the most clear form, it's deplorable, shameful and there is no excuse for it, Grandpa.
Have you read what you wrote above?
I have the moral high ground because Bojan took his hypocritical and disingenous tirade against TGFT to such a psycopathic level that good and helpful people chose to quit playing this game.
It seems like you realized your story is full of crap so you are changing the song yet again....
I have the moral high ground because Bojan took his hypocritical and disingenous tirade against TGFT to such a psycopathic level that good and helpful people chose to quit playing this game.
It seems like you realized your story is full of crap so you are changing the song yet again....
...good and helpful people chose to quit playing this game
Guys, chill out, it's okay, I haven't quit, I still play.
Guys, chill out, it's okay, I haven't quit, I still play.
"That is simply and utterly false. Conflating lack of public participation of TGFT leadership in the VO RP forum sideshow with "being dismissive" purposefully misleading."
Deceit may be a part of your toolkit, but I assure you it is not a part of mine. I simply do not do that. Perhaps you are misunderstanding me. I'm not talking about stupid little "He killed my newbie" disputes, and I do not care what they do in private. I'm not talking about them ignoring public accusations because they want to deal with it in private; that is understandable (if pathetic). I'm talking about their public and voluntary behavior -- and what else should I judge them by if not the way they publicly portray themselves?
When one of their members cheated to inflate his stats, they denied there was anything wrong with that and did not change their behavior until devs intervened. When they abused the mute mechanics, they denied there was anything wrong with that and did not change their behavior until devs intervened. Yes, they did add a disclaimer to their plugin, but that is only one instance of them being responsive -- and it's notable that even Incarnate "suggested" that a disclaimer would be a good idea before they actually did it. I doubt they'd have bothered otherwise. I can't think of any other instances where I said "Not cool TGFT" and they actually listened.
Contrast to SKV. Recently Bojan was making a stink about how he was going to get the devs to look through logs to figure out which link in his web of trust betrayed him. The community by and large said, "You can't do that; it's cheating!" He backed down. I remember several other instances of him trying to do things that I disagreed with (I don't remember what anymore, sorry) that he also backed down from after I and a few others expressed disapproval. I don't recall any instances of him doing something that I felt was cheating or extremely shady that we were unable to convince him he was in the wrong over.
That is a big part of why I respect SKV more than TGFT, even though I dislike them both. If I feel like SKV is out of line, I can bring it up with them and even if they disagree, I'll feel like they listened and I had a chance to convince them. And I don't have to go dick around with making an account in yet another damn forum to do it either. TGFT, on the other hand, are far more likely to respond with a bunch of rabid denials from their newbs, or a drunken fratboy post from Surb, or dismissals from Sieger or Ecka.
Deceit may be a part of your toolkit, but I assure you it is not a part of mine. I simply do not do that. Perhaps you are misunderstanding me. I'm not talking about stupid little "He killed my newbie" disputes, and I do not care what they do in private. I'm not talking about them ignoring public accusations because they want to deal with it in private; that is understandable (if pathetic). I'm talking about their public and voluntary behavior -- and what else should I judge them by if not the way they publicly portray themselves?
When one of their members cheated to inflate his stats, they denied there was anything wrong with that and did not change their behavior until devs intervened. When they abused the mute mechanics, they denied there was anything wrong with that and did not change their behavior until devs intervened. Yes, they did add a disclaimer to their plugin, but that is only one instance of them being responsive -- and it's notable that even Incarnate "suggested" that a disclaimer would be a good idea before they actually did it. I doubt they'd have bothered otherwise. I can't think of any other instances where I said "Not cool TGFT" and they actually listened.
Contrast to SKV. Recently Bojan was making a stink about how he was going to get the devs to look through logs to figure out which link in his web of trust betrayed him. The community by and large said, "You can't do that; it's cheating!" He backed down. I remember several other instances of him trying to do things that I disagreed with (I don't remember what anymore, sorry) that he also backed down from after I and a few others expressed disapproval. I don't recall any instances of him doing something that I felt was cheating or extremely shady that we were unable to convince him he was in the wrong over.
That is a big part of why I respect SKV more than TGFT, even though I dislike them both. If I feel like SKV is out of line, I can bring it up with them and even if they disagree, I'll feel like they listened and I had a chance to convince them. And I don't have to go dick around with making an account in yet another damn forum to do it either. TGFT, on the other hand, are far more likely to respond with a bunch of rabid denials from their newbs, or a drunken fratboy post from Surb, or dismissals from Sieger or Ecka.