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Sieger claims "Boda Shandis":
Yeah no worries, Boda has 8 different sectors in his kill list, you have 1.
You know this is an MMO right? B-8 is not the only sector buddy. Nobody gives a shit if you own b-8.
You know this is an MMO right? B-8 is not the only sector buddy. Nobody gives a shit if you own b-8.
I claimed Boda Shandis, not Sedina B8! Learn to read, you pathetic piece of red spying!
It is really not my fault that all these kids gather in Sedina B8. I would have destroyed them anywhere else if they had gone there!
It is really not my fault that all these kids gather in Sedina B8. I would have destroyed them anywhere else if they had gone there!
TGFT? What do they have to do with op?
I don't know. I guess it is just cool to mention them in titles nowadays?
"Nation War 437 (TGFT!!!!!!!)"
"Nation War 437 (TGFT!!!!!!!)"
Aww thats cute you posted a pic of when i was fighting you guys 6v1.
@Hule
They are all the same Guild
@Hule
They are all the same Guild
ONE/FAMY/RED don't own grey. U cri.
Don't forget spacebears rar!
congratulations boda you are very talented
@TRS: If more than one kill is listed per line, only the location of the last kill is shown, so from the image we only know where the kills happened if only one is listed. Sieger's 8 kills of Boda may have happened in b8 but you'd have to ask to know or have seen them. Plus I'm not sure why 'where' matters, the actual circumstances would matter more than anything shown on a kill list.
The regulars who fight in grey all have a basic idea of what the pecking order is. Both Boda and Sieger are very good. Kill lists tell only a small part of the story. Without any accompanying RP, posting kill lists is just an outlet for insecure people. For all his nonsense at least hornblower told a story in the RP forum. There should be a separate forum called the 'bed-wetters' forum where kids can try to cure themselves by posting incomplete stats to appear 'all grown up' to noobs. Thus freeing the RP forum for RP.
@Hule: RED/ONE only have a vague idea where the alliances are and are not. The bottom line is they just can't manage to keep any allies except each other. But they are separate guilds because they don't really like each other.
The regulars who fight in grey all have a basic idea of what the pecking order is. Both Boda and Sieger are very good. Kill lists tell only a small part of the story. Without any accompanying RP, posting kill lists is just an outlet for insecure people. For all his nonsense at least hornblower told a story in the RP forum. There should be a separate forum called the 'bed-wetters' forum where kids can try to cure themselves by posting incomplete stats to appear 'all grown up' to noobs. Thus freeing the RP forum for RP.
@Hule: RED/ONE only have a vague idea where the alliances are and are not. The bottom line is they just can't manage to keep any allies except each other. But they are separate guilds because they don't really like each other.
RED/ONE only have a vague idea where the alliances are and are not
Rubbish. Nobody has put more effort into understanding guild alliances than I have over the last 4 years.
Except in the case of VOID there are too many variables to classify the guild as having a coherent diplomatic direction. Blaqk thinks he's being clever by 'not engaging in guild politics' but the result of this approach is always that your guildies hold on to whatever former guild baggage they used to have. This might work if you're Galanoth and you hate everybody on a whim, but the rest of VOID fight alongside TGFT or Itan or RED or whomever their friends used to be before they joined VOID.
So the mistake people make is to look at VOID as a guild in the conventional sense at all, rather they are players that share only a tag but nothing else.
However, most of their active players are Itan and TGFT affiliates which gives the veneer that they are Itan/TGFT affiliated the presumption being that this attitude will eventually dominate the guild as they associate with each other more and more. Thus VOID is almost inevitably going to be controlled by the Itan/TGFT stakeholders like so many guilds before them. They are the modern PA, you may all be yelling VOID on the forums now, but in a year or two only a greenwall alt will be left and he'll be posting lengthy rebuttals to criticisms of TGFT under his VOID alt all day long.
The bottom line is they just can't manage to keep any allies except each other
Also rubbish. There are no other allies who are appropriate for us to *keep*. Ironically VOID was an appropriate ally to keep back when they were expressly a Serco nationalist pirate guild but since they decided to change policy it's no longer appropriate to *keep* them as allies.
But they are separate guilds because they don't really like each other.
Also rubbish. We do really like each other, but we prefer the interpretation of guilds as smaller independent fighter wings who self-govern and collaborate for a common goal. Self-sufficiency being a key mark of being a Serco as opposed to Co-dependency being the marker of the Itani. We would welcome more Serco nationalist guilds into our little club if a group actually formed but the population is yet to support such an eventuality. Given the difficulty and effort required to form a solid squadron of RED players in 2012/13 I'm not surprised by this at all.
So thanks for the rubbish Harpo, but it's going straight in the rubbish bin, where rubbish belongs, right alongside Sieger's idea of a good night's hunting and Blaqk's notions of successful guild governance.
Rubbish. Nobody has put more effort into understanding guild alliances than I have over the last 4 years.
Except in the case of VOID there are too many variables to classify the guild as having a coherent diplomatic direction. Blaqk thinks he's being clever by 'not engaging in guild politics' but the result of this approach is always that your guildies hold on to whatever former guild baggage they used to have. This might work if you're Galanoth and you hate everybody on a whim, but the rest of VOID fight alongside TGFT or Itan or RED or whomever their friends used to be before they joined VOID.
So the mistake people make is to look at VOID as a guild in the conventional sense at all, rather they are players that share only a tag but nothing else.
However, most of their active players are Itan and TGFT affiliates which gives the veneer that they are Itan/TGFT affiliated the presumption being that this attitude will eventually dominate the guild as they associate with each other more and more. Thus VOID is almost inevitably going to be controlled by the Itan/TGFT stakeholders like so many guilds before them. They are the modern PA, you may all be yelling VOID on the forums now, but in a year or two only a greenwall alt will be left and he'll be posting lengthy rebuttals to criticisms of TGFT under his VOID alt all day long.
The bottom line is they just can't manage to keep any allies except each other
Also rubbish. There are no other allies who are appropriate for us to *keep*. Ironically VOID was an appropriate ally to keep back when they were expressly a Serco nationalist pirate guild but since they decided to change policy it's no longer appropriate to *keep* them as allies.
But they are separate guilds because they don't really like each other.
Also rubbish. We do really like each other, but we prefer the interpretation of guilds as smaller independent fighter wings who self-govern and collaborate for a common goal. Self-sufficiency being a key mark of being a Serco as opposed to Co-dependency being the marker of the Itani. We would welcome more Serco nationalist guilds into our little club if a group actually formed but the population is yet to support such an eventuality. Given the difficulty and effort required to form a solid squadron of RED players in 2012/13 I'm not surprised by this at all.
So thanks for the rubbish Harpo, but it's going straight in the rubbish bin, where rubbish belongs, right alongside Sieger's idea of a good night's hunting and Blaqk's notions of successful guild governance.
Except in the case of VOID there are too many variables to classify the guild as having a coherent diplomatic direction.
So the mistake people make is to look at VOID as a guild in the conventional sense at all, rather they are players that share only a tag but nothing else.
Hit the nail on the head for once. I've been saying that this whole time We are friendly to those friendly to us, and shoot or pirate everyone else. Our individuals work with whoever they want, and they shoot at whoever they want. The ONLY guild we universally don't shoot are EMS. I am amused by the notion that everyone has their panties in a bunch about a guild of individuality with a free will policy. Maybe they fear the unknown. The unpredictable. Who knows. But carry on with your ranting and raving. VOID will be busy enjoying our place in the verse as a bane to you conservative VO types.
So the mistake people make is to look at VOID as a guild in the conventional sense at all, rather they are players that share only a tag but nothing else.
Hit the nail on the head for once. I've been saying that this whole time We are friendly to those friendly to us, and shoot or pirate everyone else. Our individuals work with whoever they want, and they shoot at whoever they want. The ONLY guild we universally don't shoot are EMS. I am amused by the notion that everyone has their panties in a bunch about a guild of individuality with a free will policy. Maybe they fear the unknown. The unpredictable. Who knows. But carry on with your ranting and raving. VOID will be busy enjoying our place in the verse as a bane to you conservative VO types.
/me facepalms
but in a year or two only a greenwall alt will be left and he'll be posting lengthy rebuttals to criticisms of TGFT under his VOID alt all day long.
/me chuckles
/me chuckles
I am amused by the notion that everyone has their panties in a bunch about a guild of individuality with a free will policy.
No we do not have our panties in a bunch, you're selectively reading. I emphasize that this is exactly what previous dead guilds have said. Cases in point are Nahin Lor's [LAW] and [PA] both of which simply got dominated by TGFT/Itan carebear alts seeking station access and then eventually everyone who wasn't an alt left the guild because they got the shits with it and that left merely another TGFT/Itan carebear supporter guild.
The same is happening to VOID. You don't have a free will policy, you in actuality have a 'free entry of alts' policy.
No we do not have our panties in a bunch, you're selectively reading. I emphasize that this is exactly what previous dead guilds have said. Cases in point are Nahin Lor's [LAW] and [PA] both of which simply got dominated by TGFT/Itan carebear alts seeking station access and then eventually everyone who wasn't an alt left the guild because they got the shits with it and that left merely another TGFT/Itan carebear supporter guild.
The same is happening to VOID. You don't have a free will policy, you in actuality have a 'free entry of alts' policy.
Where is the proof of that? Sieger? He decides not to shoot TGFT. He doesn't give a shit about station access. Where is our ITAN alt? Blaqk is loyal. Reverliss has all of his alts in VOID. Bluewall/Greenwall is probably here because he dislikes the same players who dislike us, and that's fine with us. Hated Ghost, Commander Kayne, Piment, Loophole etc. Built the current VOID roster, and I have no doubt are fiercely loyal, and I am proud to call them guildmates. You are sharing the same conspiracy that Bojan spews. That we are a TGFT/ITAN puppet guild. With 2 known TGFT alts, and no known ITAN alts this is baseless. By your logic RED is an ITAN puppet guild because EP has an alt in it, and SKV is a RED puppet guild because you are in it. And Nationalists with alts in each others guilds is a bit more distasteful to RP than ex-traders joining a pirate guild.
The bottom line is there is no valid reason that VOID is attacked except that the Slander Squad (Bojan, Dirty, TRS, YT, etc) miss the good old days when TGFT was relevant enough to attack. VOID came into the picture, Sieger joined, and the hate flowed through you again, fueling your age-old need to feel superior on the internet, and launch yet another peanut gallery campaign alongside your so called enemies against a guild that is irrelevant to nationalist Roleplay.
But again, VOID is happy to take TGFTs spot as Today's Most Hated. Because unlike a non-combat trading guild, we will fuck you up. And we have fun doing it. Good luck running us out of the game when you bring us constant battles and a steady supply of PKs and lolz.
The bottom line is there is no valid reason that VOID is attacked except that the Slander Squad (Bojan, Dirty, TRS, YT, etc) miss the good old days when TGFT was relevant enough to attack. VOID came into the picture, Sieger joined, and the hate flowed through you again, fueling your age-old need to feel superior on the internet, and launch yet another peanut gallery campaign alongside your so called enemies against a guild that is irrelevant to nationalist Roleplay.
But again, VOID is happy to take TGFTs spot as Today's Most Hated. Because unlike a non-combat trading guild, we will fuck you up. And we have fun doing it. Good luck running us out of the game when you bring us constant battles and a steady supply of PKs and lolz.
Sieger? He decides not to shoot TGFT.
lies. he shot me down twice yesterday :(
lies. he shot me down twice yesterday :(
^^^ Hey, my point still stands. He doesn't shoot SOME TGFT. He seems to enjoy where he is at. No doubt some members will come and go. But I'm not worried about becoming a TGFT/ITAN puppet guild, especially considering we we shoot at both, and fight on their side when appropriate. This is a space combat game. Not Civilization or any other diplomacy/political simulation. Stop over thinking things TRS, and talk with your blasters.
Alts are fun aren't they Jordache?