From what I've seen of IGPK, I share Holdan's view on the Guild. Starting fights to promote peace seems like a very dumb tactic right out of the Bush administration...

What is peace? If someone's gonna be antagonistic anyways, you might as well attack them and put them on the defensive. No one is claiming that pirates are being unjustly targeted.

Sometimes the bad guys just need to be attacked.

In order to have peace you must have war. You'd have to be extremely naive to think that every difference can be solved through talk and diplomacy. That's not to say that diplomacy shouldn't be tried, but you've gotta be prepared if the other person is stubborn (or inept).

Unfortunately that seems to be the case most of the time in the Vendetta universe. Some people just can't be reasoned with, and just want to have the cheap thrill of blowing stuff up. But I don't see that as a problem. I'll be just as happy to blast 'em out of existence. I get just as much pleasure (if not more) out of combat.

That being said, yes, people will be attacked when they deserve it. But like I said, I can't keep track of every person I'm connected with. If I see anyone on IGPK engage in questionable actions on anyone, I'll definitely pull 'em aside and warn them that what they're doing misrepresents us. I can also guarantee that I personally won't be the one in violation.

Heh, another vigilante thatll turn tail and run for the hills unless he vastly outnumbers his opponents, just what we need. You guys should all band up so us pirates can feel more like shepards, "Back to your stations vigilantes, quick now, otherwise you might get shot in the ass on your way out"

Hehe and thier them song can be Run Run away by Great Big Sea. :D

While I personally support you doing this, I must warn you that it can result in unhappy people (like Lin) who kill you easily and possibly more than once.

I'm not quite sure I understand what you mean, Pixelcat. Lin has had excellent standing with UIT for quite some time now. And I SERIOUSLY doubt she's a pirate. As of now she appears friendly. As do other members of Shades of Red. So why would she be unhappy? We've never even fought in the final release of Vendetta yet. Were you perhaps referring to someone else? None of what you're saying adds up.

Tramshed, whether I kill pirates/UIT enemies or not is irrelevant. What's relevant is the fact that I disrupt their activities on a daily basis. I stopped Wonear's little blockade stunt in Sedina B-8 not too long ago by killing him a few times. And when he stepped into a lighter ship to engage me, I just kept taking potshots and distracted him the whole time while traders safely slipped through the sector.

The whole point behind these actions is to be a nuisance to those sort of bad people. It's not about fair battles or dueling. It never was. Because don't get me wrong, when the shit gets hot I'll turn tail and repair (or reload) whenever I need to. I'm not stupid. I'm not going to stick around when I'm outnumbered, outgunned, or outmaneuvered. Why would anyone be dumb enough to do that?

It's all about using your head and outwitting your opponent. This is about taking down these jerks by whatever means necessary, fair fight or not. So far I haven't been killed once by a single one of these guys during these patrols. And yet I've had 44 PKs total. I say this not to brag, but to show that what I'm doing right now seems to be very effective in taking down my enemy. So I'm not about to quit now.

"So far I haven't been killed once by a single one of these guys during these patrols. And yet I've had 44 PKs total."

What you may not realize, (or just may not care about) is the fact that your "really" pissing people off when you have a kill to death ratio like that. A kill to death ratio of 44:0 means that your sneaking up behind them and blasting them when their afk, not paying attention, typing, smelling the roses, etc....

This is a "bad" thing. Fighting with no honor will get you pk's. Help protect uit? Probably not. I could see you escorting noobs as more effective in protecting the UIT. I figure since your doing it with a purpose... who really cares anyway. I mean enough ppl have lost their steam with this game so as long as your rp'ing...... All power to ya. Which is kinda sad cause your "really" pissing people off and making alot of enemies.

But if that's your thing... go for it.
(Though I have a personal war against ppl who fight dirty so if you see a green dot closing fast on your radar.... Press "u")
;)

KixKizzle, more than half these guys would do the same if they were given the opportunity. Especially Dr. Lector, who only managed to kill me once while I was in chat and receiving XP/money from Obsidian outside of Fenhall Mining station in Azek, during my first TGFT mining expedition. So I figured, why not play by their dirty rules also? Eye for an eye. That's the way it's done.

I could care less if it pisses my targets off. I'm not targeting newbies or players who don't deserve to be killed. I'm targeting people that the game perceives to be MY ENEMIES. Thus the title of this thread (points up). I've got a rule of exceptions which I've listed, and continue to follow by. So I'm not going totally nuts or anything.

Another point. Bots kill players while they're typing or lagging all the time. What difference does it make whether or not I kill them while they're idling also? If you have no sense of environmental awareness, that's nobody's fault but yours for getting killed. If I'm red on your radar and you're red on mine, YOU BETTER BE DAMN SURE TO GET READY!!

People need to realize that Vendetta's PKing isn't always about duels, pirating, and missions. You can't limit yourself to that sort of mindset. I mean people have this notion that every single combat encounter needs to be a fair fight. Or that you absolutely, positively cannot have a war unless everyone follows an arbitrary set of rules. Like they ALWAYS have to stay and die, regardless of whether they're in trouble or not.

Well, I've got news for you. That's usually not how wars are fought. Soldiers retreat. Soldiers ambush. Soldiers strike when you least suspect it. Wars are unforgiving, unfair, and bloody. That's the way they've always been in history. There are no referees to judge you. There are no fans to applaud you. You're not doing it for the glory or fame.

That being said, if players can't handle that sort of playing style, then they should either avoid it altogether or leave. Vendetta Online allows it. It's a legitimate form of gameplay. If that pisses people off, so be it. This is what I've chosen. And I'm really not trying to be a hardass or anything. I just find it ironic that people get pissed off when you play the game according to the whole IFF system that is currently set in place.

It's a game, all games have rules.
MMO's are the exception.
Though if your this passionate about war, then why don't you get a paintball gun and shoot all the people in the park wearing red jackets. Green ones are ok though....

o_O

But see, I still don't understand. What makes you think I'm exploiting the game in any way? I'm not breaking any rules. On the contrary I'm actually playing the game as it was intended, on the simplest of terms. Until the IFF system changes or unless the game dictates to me a new set of rules as to who my enemies are, I'm still playing the game as it was intended.

"What makes you think I'm exploiting the game in any way?"
I never said you were exploiting the game.
Your exploiting people.
The game allows it, therefore its legal. So keep doing it for all I care. I'm just telling you what people will think of you.

Well I've said everything that needs to be said. So far the only people I've pissed off with this style of gameplay are my enemy. That was to be expected. And quite honestly I don't care. Should I? Not really. They had it coming when they decided to tank their UIT standing by breaking the rules of engagement.

If people have gotten pissed off at some of the petty back and forth arguments I've had with some of these enemies in chat, I apologize. I'm taking some extra measures to deal with that. So I'm going to try being a little less egotistical about it, and more objective-based. I've learned that it's not worth arguing with any of these people. The weapons should do the talking.

I think in the long run this will benefit more people than it'll harm (if it even harms anyone besides the intended targets). I've tried to do my best by listing my intentions, giving fair warnings, and explaining myself clearly. And I've already bumped into many supporters, including a member of an interesting player guild titled Border Patrol, which basically follows the same agenda. So I know I'm not alone in this.

aw but I like the fair fights they are fun :(. Getting snuck up on by people ain't fun when you'r having a talk with somebody.

It might be war, but it is also a game. Seeing that this is a combination, I don't see why the solution can't lie in the middle. Besides no blood in space it all gets imploded and whatever :D.

However kixkizzle is right however, you do earn respect by giving respect or treating all people fairly even if they harmed you. I know it is sometimes very hard... but in the end you'll feel much better about it then by stooping to their level.

Border patrols actually let you know you're going to be attacked and why they're attacking you.

on a side note, I know people who have attacked random UiTs as a resonse to vigilate sneak attacks. so, while you might get kills, your fellow UITs are getting killed more.

If their standing is already low with UIT, thus the reason for the vigilante attacking in the first place, wouldn't one then assume that they carried out such activities to begin with? To let them kill any UIT freely, for the sake of keeping them calm, is pretty dumb and by no means a solution to the problem.

Attacking them with full force drives them nuts, to the point where they focus on YOU instead of the traders. At least that's been the experience for me. I ruined Wonear's blockade a few days ago like that. I've also managed to distract multiple pirates in the mining expeditions much the same way.

They know if they've got their backs turned they're dead meat. It makes them extremely paranoid and it screws with their minds big time. They'll always have to live with that fear, at least until they decide to fix their standing and become nonhostile again.

In times of war, you have to understand that you can't have a lasting impact in Vendetta by fighting players "physically" or fairly. It's completely ineffective to simply "duel" them repeatedly when these guys have millions of credits at their disposal.

To overcome that obstacle you actually need to add a psychological element to your battles. Screw with their minds. Make your enemies go nuts about you, to the point where they act irrationally and get their minds off their intended targets. That's how you can really turn the tides against them.

I think terjekv has a good point. I remember back in the hey-day of the IA-VPR alliance when they would have like 8 guys in B8 all the time with swarm rags. We got sick of the bad tactics. (BLAK was not as large as it is now) And we started killing in UIT and Itani space to make our points.

I think in Batman begins at the end a good point is made when the inspector says "What about escalation." He then goes on to say when the cops get armor the bad guys get AP rounds, when the cops get hand guns the bad guys get ARs. He then ends it with now we got a guy with a mask jumping off buildings.

So now Arolte we have a "good guy" using dirty tactics jumping off buildings so to speak. What will you do when we (They? I'm outta the pirate game for some time from what I can tell) up the odds? Are you sure your really helping your nation?

My point exactly. When you go out side of the law you brake it and cause more lawlessness.

Ooops! sorry Borb, re-reading my post, I found it just repeated yours of 11:22; so I deleted it before I saw your last one.

I never liked superheroes like Batman and Spiderman. How they're always non-violent and they always try to fight fair. I mean c'mon, talk about being a wuss. That's idealism for you. Nothing but fairy tales and fantasies. Life isn't like that. Not by a long shot.

Ever watch The Punisher? Now there's a superhero I can respect. Nothing like the rest. He's actually violent and straightforward. And he likes to screw with his enemies' heads by turning them against each other. The guy is a freaking genius, in my opinion.