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"Think about how hard it is to be a Serco. The smurfs have every single advantage. (We still beat the shit out of them)."
Yep, I use proms a lot of the time, own you all, you whine and still complain that I beat you.
Get better at your own ships, stop complaining that they're underpowered.
Calling me an idiot and a whiner does not make my opinion invalid, as much as you'd like to think so.
"Think about how hard it is to be a Serco. The smurfs have every single advantage. (We still beat the shit out of them)."
Yep, I use proms a lot of the time, own you all, you whine and still complain that I beat you.
Get better at your own ships, stop complaining that they're underpowered.
Calling me an idiot and a whiner does not make my opinion invalid, as much as you'd like to think so.
I agree with Rin's proposal.
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Aww I missed an abusive post.. Dammit!
The problem with the SCIN bots is that they automate login/logout operations. That's an expensive operation on the server. Automation of any kind should not have any sort of significant stress on the servers.
awww it was my post to TRS/ESP shame
This thread has been a good example of how lazy people really are. I loved the argument that the bots somehow give an advantage that no one else can get, even though they actually could if they invested the time and effort. But that is really it isn't? People are so lazy anymore they expect others to accommodate them. And for all those protesting they seem to forget that the devs have said nothing about the use of bots so far. Most of you are whining and quite a bit, I kind of want to vomit at the ironic hypocrisy the carebears and other foolish "Fairness for everyone and everyone is a winner" crowd.
In short: Socialists.
In short: Socialists.
"That's an expensive operation on the server. Automation of any kind should not have any sort of significant stress on the servers."
There is no evidence whatsoever to suggest that bots logging in and out has any significant stress whatsoever on the server.
There is no evidence whatsoever to suggest that bots logging in and out has any significant stress whatsoever on the server.
To add, what is the difference between numerous people coming and going and the bots logging in and out at the same rate? Also as I stated before that is something only the Devs know and should speak up if they notice some kind of stress on the server. Logically, if the bots are having such a significant impact on the server, the devs would have acted long ago.
Really mecha, of course you are going to stick up for the bots, because its your guild doing it..........
The point is not that a single guild has a large number of bots but rather they will force several other guilds to reciprocate so those mere 30 bots will quickly become 300 bots or more. PA did in fact consider posting a bot at every station universe wide for our banking and casino plug in. Adding a spy component would be a simple matter. We tabled the idea simply because we felt too many bots would be required and decided on a scheme to allow other players and guilds to participate instead. We have the server space to run them all paid up for the next several years. Does anyone here really think having a PA bot on every station is in anyones best interest? How much a month do you think we could charge to let Itan know where and how many sercos are on?
I am also thinking a pirate reporting channel - 24/7 reports everytime a rat docks anywhere availible to anyone with a current PA treaty....Or better yet Freely availible to the entire playerbase as a public service. Over the top? Sure but we do have to protect our interests.....
Your also forgetting the Devs have in fact acted on the bots. They are one of the main reasons there is a 15k limit on your ability to see who is in the sector. And as to the privacy issue allow me to refer you to the removal of the active players list. The Devs past actions have made it very clear they intend for players not to be able to determine who is on or where they are unless they choose to reveal themselves. A network of bots monitoring every station and wormhole in grey space provides the almost exact location of every player in grey. This is the exact opposite of what the devs and player base want.
It would be far better for everyone if the Bot owner chose to exercise some self restraint in the matter and removed the bots from VO. Otherwise the bots will have to be rendered useless in some fashion.
Just a few of the fun filled ideas I am kicking around:
Simply limiting log ins to 4 per hour per account would be doable.
Requiring a minimum log in time of 30 minutes would also work before being allowed to log in space...
(If you attempted to log out in space before the 30 minutes was up your ship would be left adrift until the 30 minutes was up)
Removal of the in station sector list - blinding everyone to what is waiting for them outside - or limiting the list to the NFZ area
I will post my favorite to the devs once I debate out the relative merits of each idea. Unfortunately most of the ideas would be rather inconvenient to the actual players such as captchas. Personally I dont want the devs to impose a bunch of rules over bot usage. Any action they take will likely be detrimental all the bots. Im sure there will be a lot more whining when they do....
I have asked as politely as possible for thier removal
You know some of the possible consequences
The devs are in fact likely to act on this matter as soon as a reasonable course of action presents itself.
Dont come crying to me if YOU force the Devs to act.
The ball is in your court.....What happens is entirely up to you.
I am also thinking a pirate reporting channel - 24/7 reports everytime a rat docks anywhere availible to anyone with a current PA treaty....Or better yet Freely availible to the entire playerbase as a public service. Over the top? Sure but we do have to protect our interests.....
Your also forgetting the Devs have in fact acted on the bots. They are one of the main reasons there is a 15k limit on your ability to see who is in the sector. And as to the privacy issue allow me to refer you to the removal of the active players list. The Devs past actions have made it very clear they intend for players not to be able to determine who is on or where they are unless they choose to reveal themselves. A network of bots monitoring every station and wormhole in grey space provides the almost exact location of every player in grey. This is the exact opposite of what the devs and player base want.
It would be far better for everyone if the Bot owner chose to exercise some self restraint in the matter and removed the bots from VO. Otherwise the bots will have to be rendered useless in some fashion.
Just a few of the fun filled ideas I am kicking around:
Simply limiting log ins to 4 per hour per account would be doable.
Requiring a minimum log in time of 30 minutes would also work before being allowed to log in space...
(If you attempted to log out in space before the 30 minutes was up your ship would be left adrift until the 30 minutes was up)
Removal of the in station sector list - blinding everyone to what is waiting for them outside - or limiting the list to the NFZ area
I will post my favorite to the devs once I debate out the relative merits of each idea. Unfortunately most of the ideas would be rather inconvenient to the actual players such as captchas. Personally I dont want the devs to impose a bunch of rules over bot usage. Any action they take will likely be detrimental all the bots. Im sure there will be a lot more whining when they do....
I have asked as politely as possible for thier removal
You know some of the possible consequences
The devs are in fact likely to act on this matter as soon as a reasonable course of action presents itself.
Dont come crying to me if YOU force the Devs to act.
The ball is in your court.....What happens is entirely up to you.
if you buy a warranty, I'll back your idea for 24 hours.
Lol, did pak forget his guild is dead again?
SleepyTime you need to read my other posts, i could simply say of course you're against the bots because you're not RED. That doesn't defeat the logic of the fact that we don't know what kind of load they put on the server. Logically they do not put any load on the server, but if they did the devs would have stepped in by now. I made these arguments in my first post and they weren't refuted, people simply whined on and on and on and on. Instead of giving me a valid reason why I should oppose these bots.
This is (ostensibly) an MMORPG that is running nowhere near its full potential. How/why the Devs would have any logistical problem with people buying and running extra accounts is beyond me. Even if every guild in VO decided to run a bot in every station sector in the universe, 24/7, I can't imagine them saying anything other than Niiiiiice! If not, they need to fix their game, not the bots.
The only real question is: are bots bad? Should you be able to create such a network, or, is it allowing you to break the game?
As I've said before and nobody has yet responded in a cogent manner, even an extensive bot network isn't doing anything that an organized group of players couldn't do. When hunting a player or players for bounty or other purposes, this is exactly what is already done. It's viewed as a good thing, because it (a) gives players something to do in-game, and (b) increases the chances of player to player interaction occurring. So gathering and sharing intel about sector data is obviously not bad, per se.
Nobody's articulated a relevant distinction between a guild doing this, and a guild running bots to do the same thing. Therefore, I see the clear answer as being "bots are not bad." Does it mean you'll be less able to rely on the emptiness of VO for protection, rather than having to actually play the fucking game as intended (i.e., take risks, defend yourself, make compromises, etc.)--yes.
That's good. For anyone who thinks otherwise, here's your game: http://www.hellokittyonline.com/
The only real question is: are bots bad? Should you be able to create such a network, or, is it allowing you to break the game?
As I've said before and nobody has yet responded in a cogent manner, even an extensive bot network isn't doing anything that an organized group of players couldn't do. When hunting a player or players for bounty or other purposes, this is exactly what is already done. It's viewed as a good thing, because it (a) gives players something to do in-game, and (b) increases the chances of player to player interaction occurring. So gathering and sharing intel about sector data is obviously not bad, per se.
Nobody's articulated a relevant distinction between a guild doing this, and a guild running bots to do the same thing. Therefore, I see the clear answer as being "bots are not bad." Does it mean you'll be less able to rely on the emptiness of VO for protection, rather than having to actually play the fucking game as intended (i.e., take risks, defend yourself, make compromises, etc.)--yes.
That's good. For anyone who thinks otherwise, here's your game: http://www.hellokittyonline.com/
Goddammit, I got excited for a second, because I saw bolded text.
Why must you play with my emotions like that?
Edit:
So, I went ahead and read your verbal diarrhea anyway, and I have to say, I don't really get it.
You're saying that they're good because they give the impression of there being more people in-game?
Or are you maybe saying that bots are bad, because they let people gather data on what's happening in game without actually playing the damn thing?
plz clrify.
Why must you play with my emotions like that?
Edit:
So, I went ahead and read your verbal diarrhea anyway, and I have to say, I don't really get it.
You're saying that they're good because they give the impression of there being more people in-game?
Or are you maybe saying that bots are bad, because they let people gather data on what's happening in game without actually playing the damn thing?
plz clrify.
I will try to put it in terms you can understand:
botz OK cuz theys, liek, the same azz NEothr playaz N' stuffs. tHeYZ a11 paid$$ up lik realz playA$$, an' botttz dont get no infoz on u a bunch of realz playa couldnt get NEwAy, yANo??!!?!11 U can ki11 em liek NE1 else, to, also.
botz OK cuz theys, liek, the same azz NEothr playaz N' stuffs. tHeYZ a11 paid$$ up lik realz playA$$, an' botttz dont get no infoz on u a bunch of realz playa couldnt get NEwAy, yANo??!!?!11 U can ki11 em liek NE1 else, to, also.
Hmm
6 pages about bots. These wouldn't happen to be the bots that got bored and wandered off since everyone was typing in forums rather than flying about space giving the bots something to spot?
Really, if the devs have issues with them, let the devs sort them. If not , just get used to them.
6 pages about bots. These wouldn't happen to be the bots that got bored and wandered off since everyone was typing in forums rather than flying about space giving the bots something to spot?
Really, if the devs have issues with them, let the devs sort them. If not , just get used to them.
lol @ the 'bots got bored'
Good grief even Ecka gets it, what is wrong with you people.