Vote mute could use some minor enhancements in functionality, but otherwise serves a purpose. To get vote muted for what you say on 100 is a strong indication that you should not bother saying it on 100. To get vote muted without saying anything (or having a reputation for) is practically a badge of honor.

In the end, if you view vo as a fancy chat channel, then vote mute is the ultimate bomb, but if you view vo as a first person shooter, vote mute is meaningless. vote mute me all you like, I will still boom you (but if i am muted, don't expect a hail).

The chat channel makes a nice addition to the game, until it doesn't. and then we have vote mute to help restore it to proper order. shutup and shoot.

What we have here is a clear case of what I will refer to as exterior ethics, which means pushing one set of ethic standards onto others. vote mute was put in place so each individual can decide for themselves if the action was warranted to mute or not. It is exactly like voting, you dont tell me I am abusing a ballot because I voted a set way or have a set of ideas but instead you give me the facts and I vote how I want to when I want to.

What we *DO* need is a /vote check <name> where we can review the vote tally so far on a user without casting a vote.

To cry abuse because someone or several voted because they felt like voting is not abuse at all but the way it was designed.

The question / concern / issue I have as of late is this. Is the vote mute timeout period being done correctly? i.e. I vote mute today and will it be there tomorrow or 3 days from now? With a few cases I have been wondering if it's not there for something like a week after the vote is placed.

A simple way to check this is for peyote to /vote mute peyote when he/she logs in each time and note the last time he/she was on, record the vote count, then make the gap longer and check it, say 2-3 days and so on.

So far the facts in this case does not point to abuse at all from what I have been monitoring so far. It does however point to some bug or glitch somewhere and needs to be looked into.

"Just a side note, anyone running a vote mute campaign for his own fun should be muted for a month or so just to taste the medicine. Think about yourself JestatisBess."

Infinitis : I have been accused of this a number of times. I did do this the first time to mute peytros. That was only one time in the beginning. I HAVE NOT DID A VOTE MUTE CAMPAIGN AGAINST PEYTROS SINCE THEN. There is no proof what so ever that i did so. Before you accuse me of something please have some proof. The devs and other people have logs of last nights mute at least. I was fighting AgY at the time trying to steal ctc cargo. I wasn't even talking on chan 100 i was being killed 3 times trying to get it. I wasn't even online most of other times peytros was muted.

I would post my public logs but most of you wouldn't believe it. But some of you were online last night when it happened. Do you remember me saying anything before he was muted?

20 votes in vendetta is A LOT. Under current player load I would even call it a majority in most cases, if not a unanimity.

If someone manages to "win" 20 negative votes it probably means that the MAJORITY of the active players (especially those active in the chat) consider he/she should be muted. In which case it's ok.

When someone shits on 100 (and by shitting I mean "things I find generally inappropriate, being spam, advertising, abuse, stupidity or whatnot") I reserve the right to use the tools I have at hand by my own judgment to protect me and the others. I would not mute someone because i am asked by someone to do it and I think that rule is sufficient by itself.

If the tool goes away I would probably get out of 100, maybe 1 as well, since the chat is often spamy, and that will be not just to my disadvantage but also to all those who seek help on those channels. And if we all do that, then say GOodBye to that friendliness Vendetta is recognized for.

So i declare:
FALSE ISSUE HERE. NOTHING TO SEE. MOVE ALONG.

Roda, blacknet, and ratonu hit the nail on the head.

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwn.

Ah, wonderful. Oppression through majority consensus. Democracy is so full of itself.

A) Vendetta peaks at around 50 players online at a given time. So to get 20 out of 50 during peak times is merely 20% of active players. Nowhere near a majority, and not really a large percentage at all.

B) It is votes within a 24 hour period, so it doesn't matter that only 50 people are on *right now*, because (guess with me here) 200 to 300 seperate people log on to Vendetta a day. Maybe more on a good day. 20 out of 300 is 6.66%. Again, nowhere near a majority, and still not a really large percentage at all.

C) The "Rally behind the friends" effect, where people vote to mute someone because a friend has been slighted and asked you to. Stand up for your friend, or look around for the facts more. Most people jump the gun, assume and just vote.

D) The "Jump the Bandwagon" effect. People who just log on hear that Player A has done something horrible, something terrible, and Player A needs to be muted. Quick vote, because clearly they have done something horrible (though details are never really given), and you have a free vote.

and E) There are unscrupulous people in this community who feel that they are always right, must be on top and that no one should stand in their way. And when they get slighted, rally the troops to war. These are the people who organize Muting campaigns, and it does exist, and these people do exist.

Fini.

All in all, I think it's one of the worst planned features of the game. Toss the kids on an island and let them rule themselves. Just watch out for falling boulders.

Yes moldy, they indeed do exist.

moldyman: You math is wrong:
"20 out of 50 during peak times is merely 20%"
20 out of 50 is 40% not 20%.

And remember trial accounts can't vote only full/paid accounts can.

No one knows for sure how long votes last. It could be a day or a week. Without confirmation from a guide or dev we may never know.

JestatisBess: Can you quote me where I accused you of doing it more times? Please note that I used singular. However, I have seen you to encourage people to vote mute for peytros AGAIN after he got unmuted first time. Maybe he didn't get muted on that day but you did it at least twice. Tell this is not truth and I will ask friends for logs.

Well, I didn't see you to do so last time. At least not on 100.

"20 votes in vendetta is A LOT. Under current player load I would even call it a majority in most cases, if not a unanimity."

You are wrong ratonu. You probably should read threads prior to posting comments. You would have noticed that the votes are rather permanent and could be collected over days.

Thanks for your post anyway. I believe if devs read that people are willing to mute others just because they do not like them, they will probably fix the system.

Infinitis: The system has been broken for years. And it seems that the subject comes up at least twice a year. I doubt that it will be changed anytime soon.

Most people agree that the first time peytros was muted he deserved it. I wasn't there for all the other times so i don't know.

I do think the system should be fixed though. The minimum fix is that votes should only last 24 hours. that would make it alot harder for anyone to get muted. If 20 do manage to mute someone then most likely s/he deserved it.

The votes should not be permanent... The way I read Muting is a vote lasts only 24 hours. If it is lasting longer then it does need to be corrected.

PaKettle: My point here is that no one really knows how the system works. I'm muted now i want to see if the muting part lasts 24 hours or not. I'll also tell you how many votes i have when/if i become un-muted. I should have 0 votes but i doubt it.

If there is indeed a flaw in the vote muting system, it does need adressing, because it seems just me *checking* how many votes I have had over two days has got me two /vote mute's

If someone has actually /vote muted me in the last 48 hours, can ye step up?

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Bess, ye be a lying bastard, the devs can prove that this was ye (4th mute he had)

[01/14/09 11:41:15] *** Your vote to mute peytros has been recorded (18 votes so far).

:P

yodaofborg: I said i didn't start a vote mute campaign against him. Me voting to mute him myself, because he is a troll is allowed. Not because he killed me but because he is annoying at times. You have my logs i didn't campaign against him in any way. You have to admit that. :)

And i might have been the 18th vote but who were the other 19?

The system is broken we can all agree on that.

Votes last a good deal longer than 24 hours.

Sometimes I /vote mute people just to see how many votes they have. Although if I know that someone is very close to being muted, I'll never take the chance of being one of the ones that puts that person over the edge.

I think I can use my voting powers to mute anyone I feel like, otherwise I suppose the devs can take away my /vote mute powers. But, as long as I have them, *I* will be the sole arbiter of how I choose to use my /vote mute powers.

I find that /ignore is far more powerful, and easier, than muting someone. /ignore solves the same problem as /vote mute.

However, /vote muting people does serve a useful purpose - say, if someone comes in and does nothing but spew racist hatred, or advertise a product, or just constantly spams 100 with gibberish.

There needs to be a log of who is muted, and who votes for that person, and at what time.

Perhaps modify the /vote mute "Char" command to allow a comment. Such as "/vote mute "LeberMac" He won't stop talking about tequila and I'm a recovering alcoholic and he makes me want to go drink more"

That might do it.

Ok i was muted. It seems as if my mute lasted 24 hours. I have 3 mute votes now. I guess thats including my vote to check. Unless a dev came on to un-mute me the system seems to work.

Its a little frustrating not being able to chat but its easy to get around. And its not the end of the world. I could still send notes to buddies and i could log in under a trial account to chat.

So if a change was made to allow the votes to only last 24 hours i think the system would work fine.

moldyman: You math is wrong:
"20 out of 50 during peak times is merely 20%"
20 out of 50 is 40% not 20%.

And remember trial accounts can't vote only full/paid accounts can.

No one knows for sure how long votes last. It could be a day or a week. Without confirmation from a guide or dev we may never know.

I apologize, it was right after I woke up. 40% is still not a majority, if you notice. Also, guides and devs have confirmed that it has (in the past) been 24 hours until a vote to mute expires.

"20 votes in vendetta is A LOT. Under current player load I would even call it a majority in most cases, if not a unanimity."

You are wrong ratonu. You probably should read threads prior to posting comments. You would have noticed that the votes are rather permanent and could be collected over days.

Thanks for your post anyway. I believe if devs read that people are willing to mute others just because they do not like them, they will probably fix the system.

Such youthful optimism.

Ok i was muted. It seems as if my mute lasted 24 hours. I have 3 mute votes now. I guess thats including my vote to check. Unless a dev came on to un-mute me the system seems to work.

Its a little frustrating not being able to chat but its easy to get around. And its not the end of the world. I could still send notes to buddies and i could log in under a trial account to chat.

So if a change was made to allow the votes to only last 24 hours i think the system would work fine.

Idle gods or active gods. Dictatorships or letting the people run themselves into the ground. Different styles of managing large game communities, and typically the best way is a mix. But letting the community run a lynching gang like it is now is ridiculous.

Seriously.