I would like to remind everyone that abusing the "/vote mute" command is frowned upon STRONGLY. The command is there to ensure the relative 'safety'/'security' of the online chatting system - much like how temporarily banning a player works.

The command should only be used in 'extreme' circumstances. If someone is telling you off because you kill them (or vice versa, even), it does not constitute a mute. It instead calls for a less severe but equally as effective command called "/ignore".

An extreme circumstance would be someone who is abusing the chat, i.e. someone who is spamming or in the worst case scenerio, is a macroer (for lets say, a money purchasing site.)

Another extreme circumstance may be someone who is 'taking it too far' with references to obscene or innapropriate content. In this case, an ignore should be considered first and a mute vote should be used only if necessary.

Above all, use common sense. If someone is making you angry specifically then ignore him. If someone is spamming the chat being a complete and utter asshat/smacktard to everyone on 100, consult with someone to determine if a vote mute is really necessary. You should also consider asking them to stop whatever they're doing in a <important to conclusion>non-threatening manner.</important to conclusion>

Thank you for your time.

In your opinion Sir.

Peytros has in fact angered a lot of people and has richly deserved to be muted on more then one occaision. And at least 19 others have agreed with me for thier own reasons. This is not the work of a single individual but a large part of the VO community that has taken this action.

It is not because of his pirating but rather his conduct in 100 that has earned him those votes. Peytros is hardly an innocent victim in the matter. Many have griefed and pirated me without being muted.

I dont condone mute campaigns for griefers but I will mute anyone who is abusive in chat as I see fit according to MY standards of conduct. If someone aquires 20 votes then they are obviously doing something seriously wrong and the community muted them for it.

And now you know My opinion... and no I didnt vote this one...

Seconded.

Some possible solutions if voluntary compliance is not enough:

1. Make it so that each account only has a limited number of mute votes. One a week would do but it kind of depends on how long a mute lasts.

2. Assuming that a large number of mute votes are newbies typing in "/vote mute whoever" just to see what is going on or people abusing alts, require combat 3 or higher to cast a mute vote.

Daare: only players who have paid can /vote mute no trial accounts can do it. Its supposed to last 24 hours.

Devs: What exactly are the conditions for vote mute. I know u need 20 votes but how long does a vote last? Does the mute really last just 24 hours? We seem to have some disagreement can you just tell us how its set up.

Players should be prevented from voting more then once with alts....

I only mute people who are named peytros because he caused me to loose 4 railguns.

PaKettle: As far i i know its once per account and trial accounts don't count.

JestatisBess: If it is, indeed, once per paid account than my second suggestion can be swept into the dust bin of history.

More generally, I'm not defending or condoning the actions of this peytros person; however, I don't believe /vote mute is meant as a communal "punishment" of a player for whatever reason as much as it is a means of silencing characters who are using chat to further their own personal agenda and not necessarily to play the game; spammers and trolls and the like. I'm not completely ruling out muting someone for egregious language and behavior over chat but it would have to be extraordinarily egregious and offensive language and behavior.

In any case, muting and the controversy that inevitably surrounds it just ends up feeding the ego of actual players who are self-involved enough to get muted in the first place. I prefer to not feed that particular beast.

peytros has been muted for reasons other than what he has said. That is wrong to me. Please don't mute people for reasons other than for what they say. Muting people for killing you is an abuse of the system. The mute system needs to be changed, but abusing it now is not appropriate.

See this thread and incarnate's comments on page 1.
http://www.vendetta-online.com/x/msgboard/3/18637?page=1

Well, I've watched the voting process of Peytros when he gets muted and although he has deserved it in the past, it seems like certain people are just just voting for him for no reason at all.

Now, he might be a tad obnoxious at times.. this doesn't justify a mute vote. Most of the time I observered that when he logs in, and says hello on 100 everyone starts being a ass to him. (you know who you are) I mean, wft? Personally, this is wrong and I really don't give damn if you like my opinion or not.

Oh, and I'm actually neutral in this whole deal. This is just what I have observed so far.

Whistler: Thanks for the links. Can you tell us how the command is implemented now? I'm muted now (Because i asked for it, literally) and i would like to know how the system works. What is the real time limit? When do votes expire? etc

Before we can say its abuse or not we should all know how its works.

I didn't make this post in favor if Peytros however the fact that he did get muted -again- without any clear evidence of any - whatever he did - gave me the desire to 'remind' the community of what /vote mute was and how it should be used. There have been and will be more players like Peytros that for whatever reason, no one likes and thus don't feel the desire to hear him speak in any form and will take it upon themsselves to 'rid' everyone else of that 'evil' regardless of whether or not everyone else cares. Half of it was my opinion, the other half is absolute fact based on the reasons why something like that would be put in place at all.

Anyways, I would be interested to see how different Peytros were to be treated if he took on a completely different avatar and made no reference to his former character. Would we end up here again?

I am in total support of MythOpus' posts. The developers and administrators of this game have given the player base responsibility by lending them a tool to prevent the abuse of the chat system. It is up to the players to comport themselves in a responsible manner, and from what I have read, people voted to mute him for pure vengeance, which is not what this tool is intended for, nor is it a responsible behaviour that would show that the player base is able to handle such occurrences in a satisfactory way.

Keep going like this, you're going to (indirectly) take the ability to /vote mute away from everyone.

I was not online when Peytros was muted for the last 2 times, but I know for a fact he was not talking at the time he got muted. A clone of him was, and people were saying things like "mute them both, just to be sure!"

That is abuse of the vote mute system.

Peytros is a good player of community of Vendetta.
Without players like peytros vendetta will not Vendetta.
The next time mute me and not Peytros.

Banzaiiiiiiiiii

PaKettle, you are completely wrong. If you do not like what someone is saying, do not listen to him. Ignore him, leave 100, stop playing for a while, whatever. That's your right.

Persecuting people just because you do not like what they say, their style, their nature ... is simply wrong. Like MythOpus said, vote mute is here for EXTREME situations when someone is ABUSING the chat system. Saying something you do not like or in style you actually do not prefer is not such a scenario. Anyone using vote mute system this way is abusing it.

Speaking of peytros, he got muted several times even if he was not speaking at all. I have also seen some of his "opponents" behaving much worse and in more offensive way.

Also remember, the system looks buggy and is badly designed. (You can find some threads on this.) You usually do not need 20 votes to get someone muted. Votes seem to be persistent in some way, etc. Many people type the command just to see what will happen or to check how many votes someone has so far, because there is not other way to do it.

Devs should take a care and fix or remove this system at all.

Just a side note, anyone running a vote mute campaign for his own fun should be muted for a month or so just to taste the medicine. Think about yourself JestatisBess.

"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." --Voltaire

Agreed Infinitis. The use of /ignore should always be the first step instead of muting. Or the second even better solution that I like to use.... /leave 100.

When I log in, I always /vote mute IRC first.. :-)

Pakettle said: I dont condone mute campaigns for griefers but I will mute anyone who is abusive in chat as I see fit according to MY standards of conduct.

what? YOUR standards of conduct? are you the eula? he needs to break VENDETTA rules, not YOURS, to get muted.