No hazanko I know that botting and everything else you stated is the way for it to do it, but in my opinion, I haven't got anything against pirates when I can aford to lose it. If I have 1 mil and I lose 2 cargo's, I don't give a thing about it, but it is when you have to build up your money, that it is rather problematic.

Trading for instance 3 hours to get yourselve a nice ship and a nice cargo and then on your way being shot, say goodbye to the time spend on ammassing it.

And therefore ,if you see people, pirate them if they have about 15 - 20k score "normally those people are wealthy" and that will make it maybe even a lot easier for you "newbies won't get pissed, you wonr make longlasting enemies 'in game I mean' ".

And besides, I don't expect that this game willl stay the same as it is right now, I expect the devs will put in missions "like escorting a NPC-trader, getting a special material from a certain sector, chartering sectors, ..." but this will all be in the future.

and so on ...

PS: Pyro, it is a nice thread, it isn't off topic :D

cheers

Sorta off topic: Ok Kaze, you didnt sell your comp yet did you? (I hope you didnt) Because i need to talk to you about an offer made by a certain player last night, might help pirating be more profitable :D

me wonders if he knows that person, ...

cheers

Nope... didn't sell it. This monday will probably be the last day. Hopefully people will still try to keep this kind of pirate gameplay going... but I'm not exactly expecting it. Anyway, go ahead and post the idea.

- Oh and Renegade... I'm pretty sure I get what you're saying. And we DO (at least I do) try to pirate the 'richer' people of the game more often than those who we think don't have as much.

- This is a game - games waste time. Games are made so you can have fun while wasting your time. Maybe I'm completely wrong here, but I think the majority of people would rather 'waste' their time in a challenge rather than having "absolutely no resistance on their long and boring trade routes." Things happen that you don't always like in games. If what I was going for was creating an easy environment, I would kindly ask people "Is it o.k. if I pirate you now?" Whether the person is up to the challenge isn't MY decision.

- Uhg... this is all very hard to explain. Ok, let me try to put it this way: just because something happened that you don't like... doesn't mean it shouldn't happen. Does that make any sense? I think thats what makes a good game so fun to play. Because you can adapt to whatever it was that happened, so the chances of it happening to YOU are a lot less. Hardship always happens in a good game. And if you have enough willpower, you can always learn to adapt. Of course its not the hardship that makes it fun... its what FORCES the player to TRY to make it fun. Overcoming the odds is just part of the process. You either decide to defeat the odds, or you give up. Ok, so you lost the last couple hours of gameplay due to pirate attacks... well next time (if you develop the skills in time) you tell yourself it WON'T happen.

- This is for EVERYONE out there: If you don't like challenge and the process of gaining skill, go watch Teletubbies. Games are for people who like a challenge. The cool thing about Vendetta is that you can regulate your own degree of challenge. Don't want to get better so next time you won't get pirated? Then take an easier trade route. But if you DO want to 'overcome the odds,' there are many, many ways to do it. Thats why I like Vendetta.

- I can't remember who said it, but this is one of my favorite quotes, because if you think about it, it really is true... "There is no battle with the enemy, only the battle with oneself."

- Uhg... hope this helps explain my point of view... and hopefully I answered your questions Renegade.

- Well, I think I'm finally giving up on this guild thing. Too many people are being immature about it (lividly throwing insults and curses) and obviously don't want a change in the game. Can't say I blame them really. Hey, feel free to take over if you want, but don't expect to be taken lightly by some of the players. Don't get me wrong, I got a lot of support for this idea too. Alot more than I ever expected. But when people threaten to 'send reports to the devs to ban me,' I think its getting a BIT out of hand. When people start throwing personal insults at you, it stops being a game. Well, at least it was fun for a while, whether they realize it or not... and I'm afraid I might cause other players to quit. I wish I didn't have to stop the guild - a lot of people were having fun with it (both guild members and 'piratees'). I guess by quitting the guild, I'm 'letting them win,' but I don't want to harm what Guild Software has created here.

- Flame on, but don't flame unless you have a good reason to.

Sorry about that but 2 blues trying to pirate me is a bit odd, even more so, 2 blues in buses, even more so, 2 blues in buses trying to kill my by ramming...

Whoever was on when i got a 'bit' mad, sorry.

I'm for the idea but, why pirate blues with blue chars in busses?

Besides why did people want you banned? you were hovering right next to the s10 dock, if anyone gets deadlocked in someone elses ship they may get killed very quickly.

Oh, I don't think they'll be able to ban us either. All we were doing was playing the game. Hell, we didn't even INSULT anybody. But thats not the point... the point is: when a group immature people start to go berserk because you killed them a couple times... maybe its time to back off and let them cool down. When people do that it hurts the community... and I don't want to 'make' them go nuts.

- And SL - don't worry, I'm not offended... but it wasn't just you that exploded... it was many others. And I don't think everybody has the guts to admit they were overreacting. People will become crazy any chance that you give them a reason to.

p.s. Someone want to tell me why people can't handle it when they lose a ship or two? To me, its just a slight annoyance, and I quickly recoop from the loss. And even if I don't recoop from the loss, its not like all the fun is taken away from me... in fact I think one of the most fun periods of time in the game is when you're a poor newb. Blasting bots with your bus... and when you get that first cargo ship, it feels so good. I really want to know why some people lose control - this isn't a flame... I'm really curious.

SL - to answer your question, "Why pirate blues with blue chars in busses?" One of our rules was to have no government ties whatsoever. Obviously the game engine doesn't entirely allow this... but what we were trying to do was create a group that had absolutely no dependence on any of the outlying governments. Nobody homes in any of the government sectors, nobody runs to their color's government sector for protection, and nobody helps in stealing any flags for their respective colors. We do this because if we didn't, we wouldn't really be pirates.

- But I guess the main reason why this "Syndicate" idea didn't work was that people didn't understand what kind of role that we were trying to play... and THAT is nobody's fault. I tried to tell people to go read the forums, but in reality, this thread is HUGE. Who in their right mind would want to casually read it when they could be playing Vendetta instead? I'm not really heartbroken that it didn't work out. I'm still disappointed, mind you... but I was just trying it out to see if it would work... and, unfortunately, it didn't.

Haz, two things. #1) When YOU sit IN THE sector 10 station (NOT NEXT TO IT BUT IN IT) when someone undocks, then are IMMEDIATELY spawned INSIDE OF YOUR SHIP. They are then unable to LEAVE! Sorry but someone sitting in the 10 station for over an hour is not "doing it for fun" but instead is trying to "rage the community". That just puts you into the same group of idiots as the myg0t group. For those that don't know, they were/are a group of people who's sole purpose in playing (mainly Half-Life based games) is to make other people angry through cheating, exploitiation, racial slurs, etc. Also Haz, when you admit in public how "Funny" it is that people are getting upset... again... you're just a myg0t and aren't worth my time.

As far as the banning goes, remember ... a mod can only ban for like 24 - 48 hours I think it is. IE It's NOT a permentant ban. And besides, I'm quite sure that a warning/kick would become BEFORE the ban. FURTHERMORE, the ban is NOT because of you trying to pirate. It's cause you were blocking the ONLY way into and OUT of the sector 10 station so that no one could even UNDOCK!!!!!

#2) You want to see teamwork, come to gold or (it appears) to red. There's teamwork there! When someone asks for help, you usually see 3 or 4 people asking immediately "Where and who?". If someone grabs the flag, you'll see choruses of "On my way". And as far as stealing the flag, I guarentee you that there is teamwork involved in that. I've seen cap teams of 6+ players and 6+ defenders for BOTH gold and red!

Also, don't sit in front of the ring docks, those have 1 exit also, grrrrrr >:-(

Furball, not everyone on blue sits in front of there computer ALL day. Golds might, but thats there problem.

- Furball... in answer to #1 - yes I'd shamefully have to admit to that. The thing is was I had quit after the first couple of times. By that time, unfortunately, two other people had shown up to accomplish quite the same tactic (they were not Syndicate members). In fact, I became a victim in much the same way. I don't remember their names and I don't want to piss anybody off by wrongly guessing... but all I can do is apologize for that.
- I don't ever recall 'admitting in public how "Funny" it is that people are getting upset,' but I suppose I could have said something like that. In fact, I don't doubt it. But its kind of hard to not let something slip when you're being 'verbally assaulted (lol)' from all sides, and you're trying to justify your opinion.

And about the teamwork thing, yeah I admit sometimes I've seen a lot of teamwork, but even then its very rare and very short-lived. And even if there is teamwork, there's not much to DO with the teamwork, know what I mean? The very most you can do is team up for capping flags or for killing bots. Well, you saw for yourself that people were teaming up against the Syndicate members like they never had before. We never had a CHANCE. Thats why I resorted to 'bus pirating' because I had like a 5% chance of living for more than 3 minutes. I only wish there were more of us so we posed more of a challenge. I guess most people like to play the 'protagonists' though. And it doesn't help when people flame constantly in the chat window about how "stupid" or "immature" the guild is.

From now on, I truly hate the so called "Guild" named Syndicate. Your group not only broke your "code" of making someone go broke! They did it to me in a mob!!! 3 people just followed me around for no reason killing me every 3 seconds!!! Now that I've stopped pirating and n00b-killing, I will not sink so low, but be warned that every time I see a Syndicate member in the future, they will die!!! They also violated your "code" because after the third time they station camped me at my home, I stopped carrying cargo so there was no 'profit' in it. Get your members in line, or I'll get rid of them, I do know how to drive someone away from the game for good you know. ;)

Thanks,
Kerri

- Grant... uh whats your characters name? Because I'm pretty sure we didn't pirate you. #1. We -never- go after people who don't have cargo, unless they attack us first. And even then we usually run away. #2. We DONT pirate n00bs. In fact, I make it a POINT to give money to them to help them start out. I make that very clear to everyone. In fact - to even prove it: a couple of days ago I spent about 300k driving away 2 gold 'n00b-killers.'

- Whoever it was that pirated you were probably not Syndicate members. We're not the only ones who blow up ships, you know (in fact we try do it a lot less than most people) - just to set that straight. Try to remember their names, so we can set things straight. Because unless someone was constantly attacking us, we never kill them two times in a row.

- So either you're lying just to make us look bad, exaggerating, or getting things confused.

- Oh, and yes I fully trust that you know how to drive somebody away from the game. These days in the Vendetta community that certain 'ability' seems to be well prized (and used quite often) by the majority of people.

-Besides... why are people still @#$%ing about it? Its over. Its been over for a while now. Syndicate doesn't even exist anymore (as far as I'm concerned). I tried it, it wasn't received well by some players, so I ended it.

http://piratesguide.tripod.com/

- Whoever made this site had the right idea in mind... :)
Seems like nobody follows this kind of advice anymore though.

I wish that more people play like this. Every time I log on, there's only ever a maximum of one pirate online that I see playing the game in this sort of fashion. Thats not much of a challenge to the game.

If everyone was pirates, i would no longer play the game.

But since this idea crashed and burned, not everyone is going to be pirates.

Now only if nessus and icarus learned some maners.

I never said everyone should be pirates. If everyone were a pirate I would probably no longer play the game either. If this idea did not "crash and burn," not everybody would be pirates anyway.

/me licks the syndicate

As a side note!
I am fairly certain that there was a guy who did pay, and was able to get in and out of s10 station fairly well.

We were so misunderstood back then...

Man. I wasn't BORN when this thread was started...ok, yes I was. But not the point. I like SirCamps comment:

"Well, for DS4 and DS5, business will be booming (har, har). I would encourage anyone who doesn't care much for pirates to name a char DSx (x being a number.

I am DS4 and 5. FM is, or at least was, DS3. You will not attack anyone unprovoked, except pirates. You will help n00bs and give them cash. You will defend against pirates and vigilently hunt them down (the pirates, not the n00bs). ;-)"

Ok, DONT DO THIS. BAD CAMPS BAD.

Which begs the question....

What about [SYN]n00b? Do we defend him, or hunt him down like the dog he is, sneeking up on unsuspecting victims in his Bus O'Death and letting fly with barrage after barrage of his now imfamous government issue lasers?.

*cough* er... *cough* umm...

I got a bit carried away there. Gotta love old posts. ^.^