Auto aim is mostly useless anyways because it's easy to dodge so I don't care about buffing it very much but it would certainly not be OP, just look at Queen Gats, they can't hit anything.

Having two with a delay of 0.3 would make it obviously better but not necessarily OP as well, it's basically like Hive Posis, you just get more damage in return for a slower rate of fire. It would be ok if all the other stats would be the same with the velocity of 195m/s. But I don't think this game needs a simply better version of Hive Posis, instead I think the game needs what the current CUP is trying to be but fails due to being underpowered:

A Posi equivalent to the Widowmaker, which is a Neut with 18 grid. This would be a perfect fit for the game because before the CUP there was only the CWM and people who preferred Posis have been left out but the current CUP is just insulting. I think the grid should be 18, the velocity should be 220m/s because Posis have higher velocities and damage in exchange for a slow rate of fire and lack of DPS. And the delay should be 0.21 because this is the delay of Hive Posis. The Widowmaker did the same, high velocity and the same delay as the Neut2. If you say this is OP you would be saying that the Widowmaker is OP as well. And if you still think it's OP, there's more. The Widowmaker needs 5 more energy per shot than the Neut2 so the CUP should have 5 more energy cost per shot as well.

These are the needed changes to make it the CUP a worthy equivalent to the Widowmaker:
Velocity: 220m/s (old 195m/s)
Energy: 17 (old 12)
Delay: 0.21 (old 0.3)
Perhaps reduce the mass to 400kg just like the CWM

16 grid is a bad idea because you can't really combine it with other energy weapons: The logical choice for a second weapon could be an AAPB but now you have two different delays, velocities and damage and it would be awkward to use aim and hit. And the weapon itself needs a buff and equip a better weapon (Hive Posi) with a weapon that still isn't good enough (CUP) doesn't make much sense and you're better off using two Hive Posis.

Heini, the problem you're having is that you are completely wrong. You're working from the idea that the CUP is trying to compete with the Widowmaker. It is emphatically not. The Widowmaker has nothing at all to do with the CUP's conception.

The entire reason for this weapon's existence is the loss of the ability to use the Mega Posi on the Greyhound. The Greyhound is not used for dueling. It is used for gunning people down while turboing, and we used to use the Mega Posi for that because it had the best compromise between DPE and velocity. But Swarm-Hounds were annoying, so the L-port was removed and the CUP was created to fill the void. Except instead of just filling the void, Dr. Lector chose to improve upon the original by designing a weapon that traded worse dueling performance and harsh access criteria in exchange for being even better at turbo-gunning.

You're trying to shove a square peg into a round hole.

If you really want a Posi variant of the Widowmaker, go make a thread for a new weapon instead of trying to ruin this one. I suggest naming it the Aeolus Orphanator.

Heinii:but now you have two different delays, velocities and damage and it would be awkward to use aim and hit.

Erm, but this mode of chainfiring lets the weapon blasts catch up to each other, meaning the space between shots shifts. I find that quite useful, and I'm sure I am not the only pvper who uses multiple energy weapon types >.>

A Luxen mention, some weapons create a natural chainfire with each other. Like neuts and posi. Place them on the same trigger and you end up with a brutal combo.





You keep making suggestions for an unreasonable high velocity for this weapon with zero justification.

The AAP is accelerated, yes. To 210. The hive was able to take the posi and tweek it a bit to also get 210. Though hive variant is harder to acquire. The Corvus ultra posi is supposed to be a small port variant of the mega posis. The megaposi fires at 205. Here is the screenshot again for reference.



So something 200-205 m/s would be appropriate for this weapon. Though, as Pizza mentions, this weapon is for chasing, and weapon velocity isn't as important when chasing.

Being a small port variant means this weapon does need a bunch of comprises to attempt to shoehorn lp performance into a smaller weapon. The delay is one of them. The grid is another. I think that with the higher grid, and longer delay, that we could expect the Corvus engineers to have managed to eke out a bit more lifetime out of the shot.

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On an aside, the Corvus Ultra Posi is not supposed to be an equivalent to the Corvus Widow Maker. They serve different roles. Also, one is manufactured, the other is purchased freely at Corvus stations.

I'm aware that it was intended to be a small port Megaposi but the reality is that it's not a small port Mposi. It doesn't have the velocity or DPS that make the Megaposi what it is. It's a unique weapon and not a small port Mposi. Also it's not 4 grid instead it's 18, just like the Widowmaker. It may have tried to be a small port Mposi but in the end it's closer to the Widowmaker. Also by reducing the grid you're just creating an upgrade for an already existing weapon and instead we could have a weapon for those who like using a single weapon but prefer Posis over Neuts. And also by using my suggestion it would be an even better weapon for chasing than having an additional weapon like a Neut2. It even restricts PvP more and makes it more ideal for chasing.

If you want a small Port Megaposi you should make a suggestion that actually is a small port variant of it and not an entirely new weapon like the CUP.
And again, it may have been designed to be a small Mposi but in reality it's not and it's closer to the CWM. We have to modify this current weapon and not replace it by something completely different.

Or you know, just fly a Hog Mk2. You get a Mposi which could be argued to be better at chasing due to the increased DPS and you lose mobility in exchange for firepower. Hounds can already chase very good with Neuts Mk2 and don't need any fancy specialized weapons to kill even 20k HP Behemoths. Also Incarnate said he likes things to be multipurpose and universal so having a special chasing weapon that isn't performing well in PvP goes against the concept.

How so?

Other than the grid, what do they have in common?

They are both Corvus weapons and both have limited access + the 18 grid. Also both the CWM and CUP get +200 damage compared to their previous version.

Besides being a Posi the CUP and Mposi have nothing else in common.

The reality is that it is 18 grid and has not much to do with the Mposi and yet you want to turn this weapon into something it isn't supposed to be. It was designed to be used solo with no other weapon besides scanners. Which would also fit the hound because it lacks an Add-on Scanner and with this weapon you can have one.

And since you need Tri-KoS to get this weapon it only makes sense that you get rewarded and be able to fight with this weapon because you are an enemy to most ships in the galaxy.

The Widowmaker is limited access because it is manufactured. The Corvus Ultra Posi is purchasable by anyone with no limits. In fact, the Ultra Posi is easier to acquire than the megaposi.

So other than grid, and the name Corvus on them, they have nothing in common.

My suggestion that the velocity be increased to 205 m/s will make this weapon the ideal sp variant of the mp that it is supposed to be.





Personally, I equip my hound with a storm range extender and the Corvus Ultra Posi. I like to hunt trade ships while in storms. This combo is great for pirating.

Also the Megaposi is the lare port version of the Posi so it doesn't make sense to turn it back into a small port. The large port is something different and is supposed to be different.

Tri-KoS is a pretty high limitation. Even more than manufacturing, everyone can manu but most people wouldn't dare to get KoS with every nation, including their own home nation.

You want the ideal small port version of a weapon that is the large port version of a small port version? It's called Positron Blaster and already exists and has 4 grid just like the Mega Posi. The Mega Posi is stronger because it's a large port and turning it into a small port weapon doesn't make any sense. But if you want the ideal small port version of the Mega Posi which is just a large version of a small version, here it is:

Damage: 1200
Velocity: 205m/s
Delay: 0.25
Mass: 500 Kg
Grid: 4
Energy: 18

Oops, looks like this weapon already exists. My bad.

And I want to be clear again: The Hound's firepower was nerfed and to get back that firepower you will have to sacrifice something, mobility in this case because the Warthog Mk2 is basically a Hound with a LP and slower mobility. Also basically restricting this weapon to a single ship and purpose and not making it universal is something Incarnate seems to dislike. It should be effective in both chasing and combat and not be limited to chasing only. It's a weapon after all, what good is it when it can't do a good job at it? Especially considering the high requirements for this weapon.

"Also Incarnate said he likes things to be multipurpose and universal so having a special chasing weapon that isn't performing well in PvP goes against the concept."

You're taking that beyond what he meant. Consider the Behemoth, which is only really good as a cargo ship. You can fight in it, and I've killed more than a few would-be pirate hunters with my Moth, but I don't think anybody would call it good at combat. Consider Gauss, which is really only good as a boxing weapon. It's terrible at any kind of distance, it has miserable DPE, and it's heavy. The only times it's good to use Gauss are when you're fighting dumb bots or intending to get up in people's face with it (this is the only reason I fly a Corvult rather than a Valk -- better at getting close). Then there are the various guided missiles... There is nothing weird about having a weapon that's optimized for chasing. It is less specialized than a cargo scanner or a Behemoth XC.

What you're doing is analogous to trying to make the Behemoth a good PVP ship, and by extension an overpowered trade ship. Of course, you could balance that by taking away the things that make it an excellent trade ship (in the CUP's case, by adding more energy per shot), but then you're ruining something special just to make yet another generic combat ship.


"And I want to be clear again: The Hound's firepower was nerfed and to get back that firepower you will have to sacrifice something"

You seem confused. I'm not trying to get anything back. I'm happy with the status quo. You are the one proposing changes that would increase the Hound's firepower.

They want to get a Mposi for a small port but its just a large port version of the small port Posi. That's what I meant by firepower. This weapon is unique and should be treated as something else and not a small port Megaposi.

"This weapon is unique and should be treated as something else and not a small port Megaposi."

I agree. But that equally applies to your attempt to treat it as a posi-flavored Widowmaker.

And for the record, the MP is not just an L-port Posi. The DPE stat is radically different.

Well it is a Posi and because it's a large port and not a small port it's stronger than the SP posis.

And my suggestion doesn't change the gameplay of the weapon, it's just a simple buff. Something like changing the grid for example would change the gameplay.