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Some rats take great joy in attacking traders who are peacefully plying their trade in UIT space. Therefore I sugreat tying the TPG standing to that of their UIT standing.. To start out, they are allowed to achieve POS with TPG but the first act of piracy would automatically drop that standing 400 points. Continued acts would immediately drop TPG to hate or KOS with the additional penalty of all other subfactions being lowered by 400 points immediately per infraction. Neither corvus nor xang xi standing woukd be affected by this.This would still allow piracy in grey or unmonitored areas such as storms yet allow traders to choose how much risk they are willing to face.
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Don't take away my reason for playing VO.
Don't take away my reason for playing VO.
The only thing I'm taking away is your ability to attack at will in UIT space with no danger of permanent repurcussions.
Oh, there are already permanent repercussions. Stop whining, TGFT corrupt scum.
+1 to making subfaction standing tied together in some way. It makes sense for TPG standing to affect UIT standing and vice versa. TPG is the top dog of the UIT and has a lot of influence on all the business in UIT space.
After all pirating in UIT space is mostly done by pirates who lack the skill to operate in grey.
I understand it has to be possible, but it simply makes sense to tie the subfactions standing together, since it is in the interest of all subfactions - when some guy goes around, pirating people nearby - to stop that guy. Maybe not in as a harsh way as you suggest. The biggest standing drop should still happen with the faction that the pirate upset by pirating in their guarded space. Then minor standing drops with the other, nearby factions since the offended faction "told the other trader guys to look out for that dude with the eyepatch". An exception should be Axia/Valent which would cheer when said guy with the eyepatch kills in the other faction's space.
After all pirating in UIT space is mostly done by pirates who lack the skill to operate in grey.
I understand it has to be possible, but it simply makes sense to tie the subfactions standing together, since it is in the interest of all subfactions - when some guy goes around, pirating people nearby - to stop that guy. Maybe not in as a harsh way as you suggest. The biggest standing drop should still happen with the faction that the pirate upset by pirating in their guarded space. Then minor standing drops with the other, nearby factions since the offended faction "told the other trader guys to look out for that dude with the eyepatch". An exception should be Axia/Valent which would cheer when said guy with the eyepatch kills in the other faction's space.
Can't help that you are jealous of TGFT success. The fact remains that too many new players who might otherwise have stayed in the game choose to move on due to the simple fact that they are targeted by rats who can easily re-build UIT standing or dock at sub facton stations in UIT SPACE and continue to prey on those who do not have the desire to engage in pvp.
Sieger,
Agreed with the axia/valent point. They hate one another anyway and would gladly pay for those who choose to become privateers against their opposite. However, there are rats that take great pleasure in have KOS standing with all of the big 3, kmowing that they still have places to park in UIT space to continue their griefing ways. With my suggestion, they are being given the choice of behaving in monitored sectors or face an eventual loss of any place to heal as they stalk prey in UIT. That would leave their only choices being to utilize the services of EMS (if one is online) or be forced to retreat to xang xi or corvus stations in grey.
Agreed with the axia/valent point. They hate one another anyway and would gladly pay for those who choose to become privateers against their opposite. However, there are rats that take great pleasure in have KOS standing with all of the big 3, kmowing that they still have places to park in UIT space to continue their griefing ways. With my suggestion, they are being given the choice of behaving in monitored sectors or face an eventual loss of any place to heal as they stalk prey in UIT. That would leave their only choices being to utilize the services of EMS (if one is online) or be forced to retreat to xang xi or corvus stations in grey.
As much as it might pain you, but nonconsenting pvp is very much part of the game and part of the intended design by the developers. It's a space combat game for goodness sake. So yes, people who have no desire to engage in PvP might not be the best fit for VO.
I'm jealous of TGFT success? What is there to be jealous of, exactly?
I'm jealous of TGFT success? What is there to be jealous of, exactly?
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Mainly to Siegers approach, after all the corporations are tied to and therefore a part of UIT, as it is now piracy in Serco or Itan will tank the standing systemwide, it's way to easy to regain a good standing with UIT, even with Siegers approach it would be easier to regain a good UIT standing than with the other nations, I think this is suggestion is just fair and square.
Mainly to Siegers approach, after all the corporations are tied to and therefore a part of UIT, as it is now piracy in Serco or Itan will tank the standing systemwide, it's way to easy to regain a good standing with UIT, even with Siegers approach it would be easier to regain a good UIT standing than with the other nations, I think this is suggestion is just fair and square.
Currently it takes as much effort to rebuild standing with itani and serco as in UIT. This suggestion would multiply the needed effort by great magnitude since you're not only rebuilding one standing, but several. Basically you want extra special protection and treatment when you're inside UIT. Can't get more absurd and biased than this.
To start with, the fact that no matter how many players whine to the devs about our so called cheating they have yet to prove their accusations. Secondly that TGFT continues to exist and thrive no matter how much bad mouthing and threat of being KOS status for the majority of rat and griefer guilds.
You whined that I'm taking away your joy in playing VO by suggesting you face permanent penalties. How many new players have you sucked the joy out of for this game by camping them in what is supposed to be a safe station and thereby forcing them to give up on what might have been worth paying 10.00 a month and spreading positive reviews to their friends, quite possibly expanding the player base, instead of a negative one which does nothing to help the game
You whined that I'm taking away your joy in playing VO by suggesting you face permanent penalties. How many new players have you sucked the joy out of for this game by camping them in what is supposed to be a safe station and thereby forcing them to give up on what might have been worth paying 10.00 a month and spreading positive reviews to their friends, quite possibly expanding the player base, instead of a negative one which does nothing to help the game
If TGFT is thriving so much and so successful, why exactly do you need this extra special protection and treatment? Oh right, despite being the richest guild in game, you want even more money. How selfish and self centered!
I already face permanent penalties as much as I do in Itani and serco spaces. Camping the so called "safe stations" only works once, then I have to rebuild my standing at that station. Pretty reasonable to me. You just want to increase the penalties to an astronomical level making the pirating playing style impossible and boring.
Besides, that's a stupid waste of time. I get more victims by camping wormholes.
I already face permanent penalties as much as I do in Itani and serco spaces. Camping the so called "safe stations" only works once, then I have to rebuild my standing at that station. Pretty reasonable to me. You just want to increase the penalties to an astronomical level making the pirating playing style impossible and boring.
Besides, that's a stupid waste of time. I get more victims by camping wormholes.
why not make UIT standing based as an average for all the UIT sub-faction's standings?
-1 OP, +1 Luxen if we can work out how to proportion loss of UIT standing across subfactions.
Just exactly what extra protection am I asking to be provided for TGFT? We have members from all 3 major factions, yet UIT is the only faction where rats and griefers can find safe haven at subfactions within UIT space to continue their activities. If the same thing were to happen in Serco or Itani space, there is no safe haven for your ilk.
If TGFT is so selfish for wanting to continue to grow financially both as a guild and for our individual members, then WHAT exectly does that make the rat guilds who extort money for safe passage through grey? We earn our wealth through honest trade, not by extorting innocent travellers. We also do not seek out and extort or attack innocent travellers, unlike yourself.
Yet more whining from you about having to face permanent penalties for your actions. You choose to go after players in UIT space, yet you don't believe you should have to face permanent penalties which would require you to retreat to grey to continue your pirating/griefing ways. You have chosen to take on the role of bad guy in the game, why should you be allowed to re-build to "good guy" standing over and over again?
Luxen says:why not make UIT standing based as an average for all the UIT sub-faction's standings?
Are you suggesting penalizing UIT members based simply on the fact they are UIT? We start the game with the same standing as our Itani/Serco counterparts and proceed from there. The only exception to that is, I believe, UIT players have a higher starting standing with TPG than Serco or Itani does.
If TGFT is so selfish for wanting to continue to grow financially both as a guild and for our individual members, then WHAT exectly does that make the rat guilds who extort money for safe passage through grey? We earn our wealth through honest trade, not by extorting innocent travellers. We also do not seek out and extort or attack innocent travellers, unlike yourself.
Yet more whining from you about having to face permanent penalties for your actions. You choose to go after players in UIT space, yet you don't believe you should have to face permanent penalties which would require you to retreat to grey to continue your pirating/griefing ways. You have chosen to take on the role of bad guy in the game, why should you be allowed to re-build to "good guy" standing over and over again?
Luxen says:why not make UIT standing based as an average for all the UIT sub-faction's standings?
Are you suggesting penalizing UIT members based simply on the fact they are UIT? We start the game with the same standing as our Itani/Serco counterparts and proceed from there. The only exception to that is, I believe, UIT players have a higher starting standing with TPG than Serco or Itani does.
In the backstory, the tpg beat everyone else's rears, so most of the extra points should go to them, i think. The other points spread based on the other faction's influence. That sound good for the appropriation? Not sure about actual %s, but we can figure that out.
Black fire: uhh, that wasnt my intent, no. How does ,making uit an average of the subs mean hurting uit players?
Black fire: uhh, that wasnt my intent, no. How does ,making uit an average of the subs mean hurting uit players?
i never saw an edit in TPG and edit is the only (known imo) rat guild, they care about UIT and you hardly see void in UIT so thats not to worry(but if you do, then something is up), serco and itani space is somewhat safe, as long you play smart with edit then you don't need to worry about them. famy is sorta a different story like they don't care about a KOS, same thing about VOID, but again its mainly edit if not camping at the edras wh, they like being far away from sedina. when you said about UIT for all sub faction connected with UIT, you need to remember about valent and axia so you cant never do a full POS, unless something on how they work is changed. in other words POS can do wonders but with the real hardcore(in a saying sense) pirate's (i.e. VOID, FAMY.) it's can be useless.
LMFAO you're throwing a tantrum and sobbing that pirating is a LEGITIMATE manner of playing as much as trading is.
With your RP anti-pirate ranting in the latest post, you've totally ruined your thread, revealing the agenda of slowly, surely destroying the option of playing as a pirate. Asserting that your and TGFT's needs are far more important than pirates' doesn't really support your case, either.
I have nothing against you doing the stuff that I find tedious and boring. If you want to make a "honest living" trading commodities and building trident parts, all the power to you. All the power to pirates too, otherwise it's not a real sandbox open-ended world. So you want to be left alone to build, farm, the boring stuff? There are other games that would appeal more to you. Inc doesn't have anything against you moving on to something else better suited to your tastes, so why don't you?
With your RP anti-pirate ranting in the latest post, you've totally ruined your thread, revealing the agenda of slowly, surely destroying the option of playing as a pirate. Asserting that your and TGFT's needs are far more important than pirates' doesn't really support your case, either.
I have nothing against you doing the stuff that I find tedious and boring. If you want to make a "honest living" trading commodities and building trident parts, all the power to you. All the power to pirates too, otherwise it's not a real sandbox open-ended world. So you want to be left alone to build, farm, the boring stuff? There are other games that would appeal more to you. Inc doesn't have anything against you moving on to something else better suited to your tastes, so why don't you?
Hypothetically lets say I have two accounts, and on one account I have a trident, and on the other I have an alt who is KOS with UIT and most of the UIT subfactions. I do my killing on the KOSed guy, and rep on trident held by the other account. Also I scoop my loot with the dent. How in the world do increased protections in UIT space help you?
If the piracy happens in an unmonitored sector, how does increased protections help? To be honest, if I'm a pirate, i probably don't care either way, since those protections would not effect me anyways (In this Hypothetical i'm already KOS with UIT and the subfactions, so what can the law do to me?). So the real solution would not be more protections but something else.
One of the reasons there is so little pirating in Serco/Itani space, is that there is very little of interest there. Most trident parts go from I8 up through nyrius (some stopping in F6) and around to Pel. And then back. UIT just has more traffic by how it is set up.
UIT is like downtown VO (grey space is on the other side of the tracks). All sorts of businesses are there so of course there all players of all types. Some peaceful business people working hard. Some hostile business people also working hard.
Anyways, don't you find it kind of exciting when someone pirates ya?
If the piracy happens in an unmonitored sector, how does increased protections help? To be honest, if I'm a pirate, i probably don't care either way, since those protections would not effect me anyways (In this Hypothetical i'm already KOS with UIT and the subfactions, so what can the law do to me?). So the real solution would not be more protections but something else.
One of the reasons there is so little pirating in Serco/Itani space, is that there is very little of interest there. Most trident parts go from I8 up through nyrius (some stopping in F6) and around to Pel. And then back. UIT just has more traffic by how it is set up.
UIT is like downtown VO (grey space is on the other side of the tracks). All sorts of businesses are there so of course there all players of all types. Some peaceful business people working hard. Some hostile business people also working hard.
Anyways, don't you find it kind of exciting when someone pirates ya?
Waf puts it nicely.