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joyless joker - Where exactly is the tantrum? I state facts and you claim I am trying to end all pirating in UIT space. If you can actually comprehend what I wrote, I stated that it would still be possible in unmonitored and storm sectors, of which there are plenty. Your wish is to never have to face permanent repurcussions for your actions and be relegated on a permanent basis to grey.
WAF - In your hypothetical situation, you're character that is KOS in UIT and subfaction space will remain KOS, unless you risk parking your dent in a sector filled with bots where it could be stumbled upon at any time by other players who might decide killing it would be fun. You ask how my suggestion will provide extra protection for members of UIT? Simple. It will allow free travel between UIT systems without the worry of being ambushed at a W/H as the turrets would open fire immediately up the entry of anyone undesirable. As for the storm and unmonitored sectors, you still take your chance when you choose to go through them, however, there would be much less chance of being pirated or griefed since anyone who was choosing to perform those activities would risk losing access to UIT space completely. Also, while your pirate character's standing could be repped with UIT, it would never be able to repair standing at other sub-factions such as TPG as theyhave no national space in which to bot and would never allow said character to dock and trade with them.
WAF - In your hypothetical situation, you're character that is KOS in UIT and subfaction space will remain KOS, unless you risk parking your dent in a sector filled with bots where it could be stumbled upon at any time by other players who might decide killing it would be fun. You ask how my suggestion will provide extra protection for members of UIT? Simple. It will allow free travel between UIT systems without the worry of being ambushed at a W/H as the turrets would open fire immediately up the entry of anyone undesirable. As for the storm and unmonitored sectors, you still take your chance when you choose to go through them, however, there would be much less chance of being pirated or griefed since anyone who was choosing to perform those activities would risk losing access to UIT space completely. Also, while your pirate character's standing could be repped with UIT, it would never be able to repair standing at other sub-factions such as TPG as theyhave no national space in which to bot and would never allow said character to dock and trade with them.
Luxen, I apologize. I misunderstood what you were meaning in regards to averaging out UIT standing.
You ask how my suggestion will provide extra protection for members of UIT? Simple. It will allow free travel between UIT systems without the worry of being ambushed at a W/H as the turrets would open fire immediately up the entry of anyone undesirable.
Turrets already do that to hate/kos players
however, there would be much less chance of being pirated or griefed since anyone who was choosing to perform those activities would risk losing access to UIT space completely.
Fly a fast enough ship, and it doesn't matter. A hornet can get by the turrets and kill players in that situation.
Also, while your pirate character's standing could be repped with UIT, it would never be able to repair standing at other sub-factions such as TPG as theyhave no national space in which to bot and would never allow said character to dock and trade with them
Never ever? Like are you are proposing getting rid of the subfaction recovery missions? What happens when some griefer tricks a new player into tanking their standing? With no way to recover they are going to get upset with the game and leave. Your solution will just end up with more griefing of players.
Turrets already do that to hate/kos players
however, there would be much less chance of being pirated or griefed since anyone who was choosing to perform those activities would risk losing access to UIT space completely.
Fly a fast enough ship, and it doesn't matter. A hornet can get by the turrets and kill players in that situation.
Also, while your pirate character's standing could be repped with UIT, it would never be able to repair standing at other sub-factions such as TPG as theyhave no national space in which to bot and would never allow said character to dock and trade with them
Never ever? Like are you are proposing getting rid of the subfaction recovery missions? What happens when some griefer tricks a new player into tanking their standing? With no way to recover they are going to get upset with the game and leave. Your solution will just end up with more griefing of players.
Your wish is to never have to face permanent repurcussions for your actions and be relegated on a permanent basis to grey.
Just listen to yourself for a bit. You're raving mad if you think it's a good idea to get rid of all the ways to rebuild your standing. What if you accidentally kill somebody and tank your standing as a result? Sorry, you may not get your standing back because you don't want pirates to.
Just listen to yourself for a bit. You're raving mad if you think it's a good idea to get rid of all the ways to rebuild your standing. What if you accidentally kill somebody and tank your standing as a result? Sorry, you may not get your standing back because you don't want pirates to.
+100 I don't see anyway to exploit this :D
Just FYI, VO is a space combat game with trading and mining added later. A lot of us play for the combat alone and do not care how much you think you are entitled to play the peaceful trader.
Also I kill people whenever I want to, wherever I want to, regardless of my faction standing and it has nothing to do with me not being able to pirate in grey space. I do that too, but sometimes it is known that some trade only in nation space because they are under the wrong impression that they should be safe there. That assumption is incorrect. You might be "safer" but nowhere is "safe" except training sectors.
Sure, there are people that hide behind good sub faction standing, heck there are a few that even use the defence mechanism to their benefit to get faction-loss free kills, so adding this changes nothing.
-100000
It's not needed, and fixes nothing. Whining about being shot in a space combat game is just silly.
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I've just read the entire thread, and I have come to realise you have no idea how the game works. You can raise sub-faction standing, even while KOS; there are a few ways, sure it's not as easy as killing collectors, but it is doable. You cannot dock at sub faction stations at nation space in capitol systems, while KOS with the main nation. All turrets in nation space are owned by the main faction and will shoot at pilots who are KOS regardless of their TPG standing.
So again -10000
It wouldn't work the way you think it would anyway.
Also I kill people whenever I want to, wherever I want to, regardless of my faction standing and it has nothing to do with me not being able to pirate in grey space. I do that too, but sometimes it is known that some trade only in nation space because they are under the wrong impression that they should be safe there. That assumption is incorrect. You might be "safer" but nowhere is "safe" except training sectors.
Sure, there are people that hide behind good sub faction standing, heck there are a few that even use the defence mechanism to their benefit to get faction-loss free kills, so adding this changes nothing.
-100000
It's not needed, and fixes nothing. Whining about being shot in a space combat game is just silly.
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I've just read the entire thread, and I have come to realise you have no idea how the game works. You can raise sub-faction standing, even while KOS; there are a few ways, sure it's not as easy as killing collectors, but it is doable. You cannot dock at sub faction stations at nation space in capitol systems, while KOS with the main nation. All turrets in nation space are owned by the main faction and will shoot at pilots who are KOS regardless of their TPG standing.
So again -10000
It wouldn't work the way you think it would anyway.
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Shoulda paid.
Shoulda paid.
-1
Space is dangerous. It is MEANT to be that way. There is already magic protection in Capitol systems. Further "discouragement" is both in-necessary, and against (my perception of) the spirit of VO. It's called "Vendetta Online", not "Space Traders Online".
Black Fire, you claimed joyless was "jealous of TGFT success". If TGFT are that successful, clearly space is not dangerous ENOUGH. How bloody boring would space be without the fear/risk of pirate attack?
Space is dangerous. It is MEANT to be that way. There is already magic protection in Capitol systems. Further "discouragement" is both in-necessary, and against (my perception of) the spirit of VO. It's called "Vendetta Online", not "Space Traders Online".
Black Fire, you claimed joyless was "jealous of TGFT success". If TGFT are that successful, clearly space is not dangerous ENOUGH. How bloody boring would space be without the fear/risk of pirate attack?
The only thing I have never understood about this game and am quite frankly surprised about is all the pirates who feel the need to whine about a suggestion that would force them to face a permanent punishment for transgressions in UIT monitored space.
Are there ways across the border even with KOS status? Yes as has been pointed out. Could pirating, griefing still take place? Yes as long as the rats/griefer don't care about permanent loss of access to stations in UIT monitored space.
Having the tree set to allow one incident without permanent ban from all subfactions would allow those tricked by griefers to be able to recover from the effects of that lack of knowledge of griefer tricks.
Are there ways across the border even with KOS status? Yes as has been pointed out. Could pirating, griefing still take place? Yes as long as the rats/griefer don't care about permanent loss of access to stations in UIT monitored space.
Having the tree set to allow one incident without permanent ban from all subfactions would allow those tricked by griefers to be able to recover from the effects of that lack of knowledge of griefer tricks.
Blacki, you should know by now that these new players only take a hint after several transgressions; a few of them several hundred. If you make it a single-use mission, that will burn them to the ground.
And what about the pirate who decides he wants to quit piracy? (It has to have happened at least once, rigjt?)
And what about the pirate who decides he wants to quit piracy? (It has to have happened at least once, rigjt?)
What part of "sub faction loss is not permanent" don't you get? Also like faille said there is already quite a lot of protection in faction space. You should also be aware that the UiT is not a nation in the strictest sense and it is SUPPOSED to be more dangerous there. This was a design feature, not a flaw.
I would like to take this time to point out that most of the current faction protections were actually suggested by pirates. The border turrets for example, were suggested by me. The lmines in the no fire zone feature, was suggested by me. Lots of other things to keep people safer in nation space were also suggested by me.
Just because you think your idea has merit, does not mean it has. I do not disagree because "i'm a pirate yarr I want easy kills yarr" I disagree because a) it is a bad idea and b) because what you suggest will not change a thing, so why do it? What about the TPG/Orion stations in gray space? Why should I lose access to them?
I would like to take this time to point out that most of the current faction protections were actually suggested by pirates. The border turrets for example, were suggested by me. The lmines in the no fire zone feature, was suggested by me. Lots of other things to keep people safer in nation space were also suggested by me.
Just because you think your idea has merit, does not mean it has. I do not disagree because "i'm a pirate yarr I want easy kills yarr" I disagree because a) it is a bad idea and b) because what you suggest will not change a thing, so why do it? What about the TPG/Orion stations in gray space? Why should I lose access to them?
black fire you post went to south real fast lol nice fail bro but piracy IS in VO and it WONT leave, pirates can do what they want, if you see a pirate go shoot them, but because you're TGFT that don't mean you are powerful in any other matter, beside spy bots and 7bill in bank but spy bots can avoided beside their verasi and arta spy bot, (also counting odia and pel). beside that point when ecka is not drunk(i going to be honest i don't think he gets drunk and play vo, just RPs with it.) and saying eveything shit. again POS is not full protection.
The only thing I have never understood about this game and am quite frankly surprised about is all the pirates who feel the need to whine about a suggestion that would force them to face a permanent punishment for transgressions in UIT monitored space.
I don't think pirates are "whining" about this. I think many realize that your suggest would end up hurting the players you want to protect, because you have an incomplete understanding of the VO player base. And as Yoda says, why should UIT standing have an impact on access to stations in Latos?
Are there ways across the border even with KOS status? Yes as has been pointed out. Could pirating, griefing still take place? Yes as long as the rats/griefer don't care about permanent loss of access to stations in UIT monitored space.
Because of the Alt system, a good many pirates won't care about permanent loss. It only takes about a day or less to fully level a new alt these days. And each account gets six. Plenty of room for a KOS character or two.
Having the tree set to allow one incident without permanent ban from all subfactions would allow those tricked by griefers to be able to recover from the effects of that lack of knowledge of griefer tricks.
You know what, you've convinced me. +1 to perma bans. The griefers are going to have a field day with this. And I want to see the next suggestion thread you post asking for this suggestion to be rolled back.
I don't think pirates are "whining" about this. I think many realize that your suggest would end up hurting the players you want to protect, because you have an incomplete understanding of the VO player base. And as Yoda says, why should UIT standing have an impact on access to stations in Latos?
Are there ways across the border even with KOS status? Yes as has been pointed out. Could pirating, griefing still take place? Yes as long as the rats/griefer don't care about permanent loss of access to stations in UIT monitored space.
Because of the Alt system, a good many pirates won't care about permanent loss. It only takes about a day or less to fully level a new alt these days. And each account gets six. Plenty of room for a KOS character or two.
Having the tree set to allow one incident without permanent ban from all subfactions would allow those tricked by griefers to be able to recover from the effects of that lack of knowledge of griefer tricks.
You know what, you've convinced me. +1 to perma bans. The griefers are going to have a field day with this. And I want to see the next suggestion thread you post asking for this suggestion to be rolled back.
WAF is correct, I'll have to concede. +1 to OP. I will truly have a blast permanently tanking ignorant noobs' standings in UIT!
-1 Confining the cool kids to grey is just silly
-1. If you want to trade in a monolithic nation, move to Serco or Itani space. That's what they're there for. The UIT exists for people who want to risk a little more danger in exchange for a little more reward, just as greyspace exists for those who want to risk even more danger for even more reward. This is basic game design. It isn't going to change.
Dau now has 16 turrets instead of 8, it didn't help.
So basically if i wreck my UIT standings i wreck all the associated UIT sub factuon standings?
It would make sense completely,But it isn't conveniant at all,
And considering how many times a month i carelessly kill someone un UIT and wreck my UIT,no thank you. -1
It would make sense completely,But it isn't conveniant at all,
And considering how many times a month i carelessly kill someone un UIT and wreck my UIT,no thank you. -1
Either get rid of subfaction stations inside yellow space and make them all UIT stations, or, accept that UIT is a more nuanced and risky environment than Red/Blue space by design and STFU already.
You have no idea how good you carebears have it now: border turrets? station turrets? no docking for -600 UIT at any capitol-system subfaction station? None of these things existed for years and KOS UIT players used to actually roam with impunity. Now they actually have to run gauntlets, lose the occasional ship because turrets start firing long before you have control of your ship upon warp in, and either work together to repair or run the 'turrets on both sides of the WH' gauntlet back out of a capitol system to repair.
You have no idea how good you carebears have it now: border turrets? station turrets? no docking for -600 UIT at any capitol-system subfaction station? None of these things existed for years and KOS UIT players used to actually roam with impunity. Now they actually have to run gauntlets, lose the occasional ship because turrets start firing long before you have control of your ship upon warp in, and either work together to repair or run the 'turrets on both sides of the WH' gauntlet back out of a capitol system to repair.