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End alts and force players to play with some conviction instead of jumping alts and abusing the system. Nationalism, neutrality, are bogus within the current system.
Solution:
Fragment every account into 6 accounts. Force people to play by the rules of their nation instead of circumventing them with little care. One account would be full, unrestricted access, the other 5 would become in-active lite accounts. Lower the cost of the full account to say 7USD. Allow a grace/transition period of say 6 months per account.
This would reduce:
* 100 spamming (you should have to pay .99 month minimum to spam 100)
* abuse of nationalism
* force the player to play their nation/role with some conviction, if only for a month at a time
Bring on the -1s!
Solution:
Fragment every account into 6 accounts. Force people to play by the rules of their nation instead of circumventing them with little care. One account would be full, unrestricted access, the other 5 would become in-active lite accounts. Lower the cost of the full account to say 7USD. Allow a grace/transition period of say 6 months per account.
This would reduce:
* 100 spamming (you should have to pay .99 month minimum to spam 100)
* abuse of nationalism
* force the player to play their nation/role with some conviction, if only for a month at a time
Bring on the -1s!
Who pissed in your wheaties this morning? :P
+1 , since it would leave ONE with only half a dozen members....
We don't operate like TGFT Ecka.
+1 , since it would leave us with only half a dozen members. I guess? You hope? heh. whatever.
I'd suggest an even shorter grace period. It would be more fun to have alt jumping stopped in the new year vs some distant future.
I'd suggest an even shorter grace period. It would be more fun to have alt jumping stopped in the new year vs some distant future.
What does this have to do with spamming 100? Do you mean you're concerned about people deleting and replacing an alt slot to bypass being /ignore-ed? Because that's only marginally easier than creating a trial account with a disposable email (or an F2P account, if they have a mobile device), so removing alts would make no actual difference.
Otherwise I don't know what you mean.
Otherwise I don't know what you mean.
So I get a .5 from Rin regarding nationalist usurpers and a +1 from Ecka and his "relative". 2.5 so far.
I'm going to go with a 0.
I think the OP makes a valid complaint. I see a certain merit to a more linear environment for character play. This in my experience is the way most games seem to work.
On the other hand, I'm not convinced that any assumed benefit would out way the cost to the current reality of being able to play in different ways on assorted characters or the same way on 6 clones of the main. To me, being able to have up to 6 different characters available to use however I want is one of the perks of playing VO. It allows for a quick response to situations that may be several systems away as well as being able to log on and enjoy the game and not be obliged to play a role one is not in the mood for.
I think the OP makes a valid complaint. I see a certain merit to a more linear environment for character play. This in my experience is the way most games seem to work.
On the other hand, I'm not convinced that any assumed benefit would out way the cost to the current reality of being able to play in different ways on assorted characters or the same way on 6 clones of the main. To me, being able to have up to 6 different characters available to use however I want is one of the perks of playing VO. It allows for a quick response to situations that may be several systems away as well as being able to log on and enjoy the game and not be obliged to play a role one is not in the mood for.
One alternate character and one main. That'd be a decent amount for an account. Six I've always thought was quite a lot.
Instead of the grace period, I'd rather them just merge the stats of characters into one/two players.
Alternate characters have uses, but mostly they end up with the same RP as the main character anyway.
So that's like a +0.25 for your idea and the +0.75 goes to my revision of it.
Instead of the grace period, I'd rather them just merge the stats of characters into one/two players.
Alternate characters have uses, but mostly they end up with the same RP as the main character anyway.
So that's like a +0.25 for your idea and the +0.75 goes to my revision of it.
I'd agree that abolishing ALTs would be good if we had some kind of alias system that allowed you to mask your identity under certain circumstances. Deception is an important part of the game, but so are the mechanics that alt abuse destroys.
Tgft are the worst of offenders as usual, using ALTs as bots, using them to switch between conq stations and quickly harass all three, years of filling up guilds with ALTs to hijack other guilds democracy with their own agenda.
The reason for the capital ALTs is autocorrect, no emphasis intended.
Tgft are the worst of offenders as usual, using ALTs as bots, using them to switch between conq stations and quickly harass all three, years of filling up guilds with ALTs to hijack other guilds democracy with their own agenda.
The reason for the capital ALTs is autocorrect, no emphasis intended.
For example, you have Der (tsreknor) sitting in Initros o12, not a Serco bone in his body, filling up the TGFT relay with Sensitive Serco location data.
He should have to pay a minimum of .99/month to do this.
@kierky, ok so 5 bucks a month, 1 alt. .99/month lite, 1 alt.
He should have to pay a minimum of .99/month to do this.
@kierky, ok so 5 bucks a month, 1 alt. .99/month lite, 1 alt.
I'll keep all of my 18 alts. Certainly, I have no complaint for an opportunity to show developers more love and throw more $$$ at them!
+1
+1
"So I get a .5 from Rin regarding nationalist usurpers"
Um, no you don't. At no point did I express any amount of support for this idea. In fact, it's such a stupid idea that if you hadn't said anything about spam, I wouldn't have bothered to post at all. But I wanted to know what any of this had to do with spam, which you still haven't explained. Probably because you're braindead.
-5
Um, no you don't. At no point did I express any amount of support for this idea. In fact, it's such a stupid idea that if you hadn't said anything about spam, I wouldn't have bothered to post at all. But I wanted to know what any of this had to do with spam, which you still haven't explained. Probably because you're braindead.
-5
-1 cos i have highly personality disorder and i need my six slots fer therapy.
Because some of ye suck at RP i dont see why i should be limited.
Because some of ye suck at RP i dont see why i should be limited.
Deathspores, I've adjusted the pricing to encorporate those of you who forgot to take your meds. How many alts do you need? 3? 4? Let's say you're paying for 3 accounts right now. That's 30/month. With full un-restricted accounts priced at 5/month you could have 6 alts for your 30 bucks.
@Rin I didn't say that it would eliminate spam but reduce it. It's too easy to have a throwaway alt. You're right about the two week free account. Maybe those players should be restricted to read only privvys on 100. Making a new email then new account isn't that hard but it's more effort than jumping into your character screen to pick a troll/spam alt.
You know exactly what spam I'm referring to. Clearly you don't like change.
+4.5 from Kierky spread across your 18 alts. Yer idea of merging alts couldn't be any more ridiculous.
+18 from espi as long as Incarnate will make him an Alt Spoofer MKII.
@Rin I didn't say that it would eliminate spam but reduce it. It's too easy to have a throwaway alt. You're right about the two week free account. Maybe those players should be restricted to read only privvys on 100. Making a new email then new account isn't that hard but it's more effort than jumping into your character screen to pick a troll/spam alt.
You know exactly what spam I'm referring to. Clearly you don't like change.
+4.5 from Kierky spread across your 18 alts. Yer idea of merging alts couldn't be any more ridiculous.
+18 from espi as long as Incarnate will make him an Alt Spoofer MKII.
For me the rationale of alts is for testing purposes. While I don't play them, I have created a couple to allow me to test plugins under different national and guild/non-guild conditions. I could manage to get behind this if we could still have them on the test server. Otherwise, I'd not be able to test code as thoroughly as I'd like.
not as an addon, more like a reworking of the way identifying pilots works both over the chat channels and in-sector so that it's necessary to have authentication codes or some sort of trust based id system that people have to use to identify pilots.
It doesn't have to be mega complicated, but it should be versatile enough to allow deception, stealing, infiltration and impersonation to happen but also have mechanics to counter it. The less restrictive the system, the better, because the alt solution is quite elegant but its also too much work for most players to want to use it in creative and devious ways. That's the problem I'd want to fix before replacing alts.
I agree that alts can be stupid, but mostly because people use them in stupid ways. If they're used properly they're great - it's just so rare that they are.
It doesn't have to be mega complicated, but it should be versatile enough to allow deception, stealing, infiltration and impersonation to happen but also have mechanics to counter it. The less restrictive the system, the better, because the alt solution is quite elegant but its also too much work for most players to want to use it in creative and devious ways. That's the problem I'd want to fix before replacing alts.
I agree that alts can be stupid, but mostly because people use them in stupid ways. If they're used properly they're great - it's just so rare that they are.
"Making a new email then new account isn't that hard but it's more effort than jumping into your character screen to pick a troll/spam alt."
Not really. Remember, you can't just jump back to the character screen in this game. You have to log out and then log back in. And with the account name dropdown box, you don't even have to type in the account name to do it. So it takes no more effort to use an alternate account than an alternate character. The only additional effort is in initially creating the extra account, and that's such a small amount of effort that anybody willing to constantly delete and re-create a character and then get out of the training sector just to get around the ignore list isn't going to be deterred. (Also, there is no need to "make" a new email. That's not how disposable email services work. They're much more effortless -- you just make up and use an address with their domain at the end, and then to check the mail you visit their website and punch the address you used into the box. You don't have to set anything up in advance, create accounts, or anything.)
Besides which, I'm not aware of people actually using alts to spam. If you are aware of it, you should report them to the devs instead of making idiotic overreaching and ineffective suggestions that would penalize the overwhelming majority of people who do not use alts in that manner.
Not really. Remember, you can't just jump back to the character screen in this game. You have to log out and then log back in. And with the account name dropdown box, you don't even have to type in the account name to do it. So it takes no more effort to use an alternate account than an alternate character. The only additional effort is in initially creating the extra account, and that's such a small amount of effort that anybody willing to constantly delete and re-create a character and then get out of the training sector just to get around the ignore list isn't going to be deterred. (Also, there is no need to "make" a new email. That's not how disposable email services work. They're much more effortless -- you just make up and use an address with their domain at the end, and then to check the mail you visit their website and punch the address you used into the box. You don't have to set anything up in advance, create accounts, or anything.)
Besides which, I'm not aware of people actually using alts to spam. If you are aware of it, you should report them to the devs instead of making idiotic overreaching and ineffective suggestions that would penalize the overwhelming majority of people who do not use alts in that manner.
I don't mind a 2 alt system, 6 is crazy abusive in todays day and age. I'd keep my 2 Itani ones in that system. No more dralthi or Etienne
Also a cooldown if you delete one you should have to wait 24 hours to refill that slot. The 24 hour cooldown also gives you a chance to change your mind and not delete the char?
Also a cooldown if you delete one you should have to wait 24 hours to refill that slot. The 24 hour cooldown also gives you a chance to change your mind and not delete the char?
lol