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Because this was awesome, being able to drop ships, thereby creating a ships (black)market for players. They're reasonably hard to haul, meaning there'd be scarcity.
This is also an interesting concept, since it allows group efforts to be rewarded, such as in most guilds, some people prefer to stay out of combat. In the place of it, they could haul down special ships for the more combat oriented players.
This is also an interesting concept, since it allows group efforts to be rewarded, such as in most guilds, some people prefer to stay out of combat. In the place of it, they could haul down special ships for the more combat oriented players.
+1
This is needed... badly.
This is needed... badly.
+1
So you can buy a bunch of faction exclusive ships on one alt, drop it in an empty sector and log off, log into your other alt immediately and pick them up? Much less having others do it for you. Completely defeats faction exclusivity.
-1 forever
-1 forever
Well loookee here, I think Lecter has an apprentice! Cellsafe, the professional naysayer.
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anyway, obviously +1, but sadly it seems Incarnate desires a much more complex / limited system of ship trading... and thus we will probably not see this any time soon.
http://www.vendetta-online.com/x/msgboard/3/29291?page=2
*edited*
anyway, obviously +1, but sadly it seems Incarnate desires a much more complex / limited system of ship trading... and thus we will probably not see this any time soon.
http://www.vendetta-online.com/x/msgboard/3/29291?page=2
Gauss Cannon MkIII are only sold by the major nations. I'm KOS with all three nations, and therefor cannot buy it. Is the intent that I can never ever have Gauss Cannon MkIII unless I repair my standing? Or is the intent that I buy it from other players? Pretty much everybody seems to agree that player-to-player trade is desirable, and most people seem to also agree that smuggling is desirable. The whole point of smuggling is providing items to people who aren't supposed to have them.
To me, faction exclusivity is as much about creating imbalances that can be capitalized on by traders as it is about giving the factions distinct advantages. And ship smuggling does not negate those advantages. If I have 10 bootleg Valks, I can only die with them 10 times. Then I have to get more. My supply can be exhausted. But if I were an Itani, I could be homed in Jallik and have a nearly infinite supply, limited only by my funds.
I'm also of the opinion that flying a faction ship you shouldn't have access to around members of that faction should cause them to see you as KOS. Of course, that doesn't really impact me any since I'm already KOS... but it would mean that, say, an Itani nationalist would get into trouble if they got a bootleg Raptor UDV and flew it around UIT space, or past a UIT convoy in Greyspace. Similarly, a UIT in a Prom would have to stay out of Toasterspace or risk summary execution and possible long-term penalties.
Point is, faction exclusivity doesn't have to be totally rigid to be meaningful, and making it totally rigid precludes some of the most obvious avenues for player to player trade.
Another factor to consider: An alt that can buy Valks is an alt that can fly Valks. If I were willing to make a Valk-buying alt, then I would be just as willing to make an alt in the current system that flies Valks, name it Rin Gansmurfo, and play it as though it's just an extension of Rin Ganborro whenever I want to use Valks. People already do this. To me, this is more undesirable than people using seldom-seen smuggler-alts to supply their mains. Alts should be treated as unique characters with their own individual personalities, motives, and goals, not as clones distinguished only by the color of their jumpsuits.
To me, faction exclusivity is as much about creating imbalances that can be capitalized on by traders as it is about giving the factions distinct advantages. And ship smuggling does not negate those advantages. If I have 10 bootleg Valks, I can only die with them 10 times. Then I have to get more. My supply can be exhausted. But if I were an Itani, I could be homed in Jallik and have a nearly infinite supply, limited only by my funds.
I'm also of the opinion that flying a faction ship you shouldn't have access to around members of that faction should cause them to see you as KOS. Of course, that doesn't really impact me any since I'm already KOS... but it would mean that, say, an Itani nationalist would get into trouble if they got a bootleg Raptor UDV and flew it around UIT space, or past a UIT convoy in Greyspace. Similarly, a UIT in a Prom would have to stay out of Toasterspace or risk summary execution and possible long-term penalties.
Point is, faction exclusivity doesn't have to be totally rigid to be meaningful, and making it totally rigid precludes some of the most obvious avenues for player to player trade.
Another factor to consider: An alt that can buy Valks is an alt that can fly Valks. If I were willing to make a Valk-buying alt, then I would be just as willing to make an alt in the current system that flies Valks, name it Rin Gansmurfo, and play it as though it's just an extension of Rin Ganborro whenever I want to use Valks. People already do this. To me, this is more undesirable than people using seldom-seen smuggler-alts to supply their mains. Alts should be treated as unique characters with their own individual personalities, motives, and goals, not as clones distinguished only by the color of their jumpsuits.
+1 rin
To build up on smuggling maybe when leaving nation space there's a chance that they'll check you for faction exclusive ships, an if you are they'd send a strike force after you?
To build up on smuggling maybe when leaving nation space there's a chance that they'll check you for faction exclusive ships, an if you are they'd send a strike force after you?
VO has always had a problem with too much supply, be it credits, items or ships. The truth is that whatever the solution is, it's not easy or simple, and there isn't enough dev time to make it happen anytime soon.
If they made ship trading a reality in its simplest form, we would all just stock up on a bazillion ships and then it would all be as it was before exclusivity -- erasing the progress already made in that regard.
There needs to be a REAL incentive to spend/use up resources, whether it's driven by content or impermanence, before any of this is really "fixed".
If they made ship trading a reality in its simplest form, we would all just stock up on a bazillion ships and then it would all be as it was before exclusivity -- erasing the progress already made in that regard.
There needs to be a REAL incentive to spend/use up resources, whether it's driven by content or impermanence, before any of this is really "fixed".
You're missing a point Greenwall. There would be player interaction and trade involved. That's gameplay content, which we need more of. There are people who play games just to make things or buy them and sell them to other players.
I dont think the utopia of trading will exist that you think will exist. It doesn't now and this suggestion does nothing to change that situation.
As for not being able to buy gauss mk3's because of KOS everywhere... you likely aren't KOS everywhere with every alt. The obvious solution would be to use one of the alts to drop loads of gauss in a grey sector for your KOS character to pick up and use. It's unlikely anyone would pay someone else to do this for purchasable items, and even more likely you'd just have someone in your guild drop you a ton for free. The in-game environment for true traders barely exists because thare are multiple no-effort avenues to get purchasable items that dont require a paid middle man.
It's not about "well why not use the alt to play those ships or guns etc then?" It's "oh look my character who is X faction is flying around or using an item exclusive to Y faction. I'm cool and get to use everyone's special toys".
So of course they're going to give their alts who shouldn't have the items the stuff they shouldn't have with alts that can purchase it. Rather than just use that alt when they want to use those items.
Unfortunately, arf, this thread doesn't really have anything to do with making things and selling them. Which would be a niche for actual traders to utilize. It's about purchasable items at the moment. And that doesn't foster any true trading in the game now, nor will it with adding another thing that can be dropped.
As for not being able to buy gauss mk3's because of KOS everywhere... you likely aren't KOS everywhere with every alt. The obvious solution would be to use one of the alts to drop loads of gauss in a grey sector for your KOS character to pick up and use. It's unlikely anyone would pay someone else to do this for purchasable items, and even more likely you'd just have someone in your guild drop you a ton for free. The in-game environment for true traders barely exists because thare are multiple no-effort avenues to get purchasable items that dont require a paid middle man.
It's not about "well why not use the alt to play those ships or guns etc then?" It's "oh look my character who is X faction is flying around or using an item exclusive to Y faction. I'm cool and get to use everyone's special toys".
So of course they're going to give their alts who shouldn't have the items the stuff they shouldn't have with alts that can purchase it. Rather than just use that alt when they want to use those items.
Unfortunately, arf, this thread doesn't really have anything to do with making things and selling them. Which would be a niche for actual traders to utilize. It's about purchasable items at the moment. And that doesn't foster any true trading in the game now, nor will it with adding another thing that can be dropped.
Faction exclusive ships were never intended to be unlimited. Once they sort that problem out, this suggestion will make a lot more sense. The Supply-side economics, once fixed will provide proper demand, and scarcity, which will in turn provide a better credit sink, and player to player trade.
If you want to make a suggestion about alts, and their ability to drop cargo, then go do it in another thread. You're being a pro ninny in this thread, where your negative points have nothing to do with this suggestion.
If you want to make a suggestion about alts, and their ability to drop cargo, then go do it in another thread. You're being a pro ninny in this thread, where your negative points have nothing to do with this suggestion.
And yet, I buy my Guass from other players. About 70% of the Gauss Cannon MkIII I've ever used has been bought from other people. Another 25% I stockpiled myself during times when I had good standing (and even then, I often paid other people to help me move it to where I needed it), and the final 5% I stole from convoys. Similar statistics apply to the massive piles of Consumer Robotics I've "delivered" to placate various minor factions. So clearly you have no idea what you're talking about, because these things you claim would never happen have been happening for years.
Also, nobody said anything about a utopia. All we're saying is that there are clearly people who'd be willing to buy these ships if only the people who are clearly willing to sell them were able to sell them.
Also, nobody said anything about a utopia. All we're saying is that there are clearly people who'd be willing to buy these ships if only the people who are clearly willing to sell them were able to sell them.
Do you have any idea how many badge or standing restricted items "ITAN Shop" has been selling out of Sedina K-13?
There's most definitely a market for these things and players do pay quite a bit extra in order to get them.
Offer to sell Avalon Torpedos delivered to Deneb O-3 or Geira O-4 some time and see how much you can make versus selling them to a station.
There's most definitely a market for these things and players do pay quite a bit extra in order to get them.
Offer to sell Avalon Torpedos delivered to Deneb O-3 or Geira O-4 some time and see how much you can make versus selling them to a station.
-1 for the following reason.
The SCP is 250 cube. Unless a reduction in cube is made for proms, then the OP is biased towards the Itani valks so that only a trident owner could pick up a dropped ship in this class. I don't object to changing the cube to 200 in order to make it fair to everyone.
After that, I'd change to a 0 or defer to others. I would however suggest that the ibg and svg and maybe the wtd be made exclusive if this happens.
The SCP is 250 cube. Unless a reduction in cube is made for proms, then the OP is biased towards the Itani valks so that only a trident owner could pick up a dropped ship in this class. I don't object to changing the cube to 200 in order to make it fair to everyone.
After that, I'd change to a 0 or defer to others. I would however suggest that the ibg and svg and maybe the wtd be made exclusive if this happens.
I'm not missing any point... I already +1 the suggestion because I like it. But it would guarantee a backpeddling of the whole concept of faction exclusive ships, something I highly doubt incarnate would go for.
And interesting point, Fluffy. Though I think there are multiple ways to work that out... It just goes to show, it's not simple.
And interesting point, Fluffy. Though I think there are multiple ways to work that out... It just goes to show, it's not simple.
How is a limited supply through player trade back-peddling the whole concept of faction exclusive ships? It's no worse than allowing players to trade Neutron MkIIIs. They still won't to you directly in bulk and the middleman is going to be getting his cut.
You show me how one person couldn't be the supplier and consumer in this situation using alts and then maybe my negative opinion on the suggestion wouldn't have any bearing. But as long as it can, then the fact that you can find some people who will purchase and trade is moot.
There are players who play like the game intends you to (which are the people you make an example of and would have us believe make up the majority of the regular VO userbase) and there are players who play any way the game allows you to. The second group are the ones that ruin it for everyone else because they make the mistake in thinking that "because they can" means "they should".
The only way this suggestion would be good is if there was a means to require a second person, as long as there is a way to do it solo, then it looks like nothing more than faction exclusivity circumvention. And no, bots like Itan shop dont count as a second person.
There are players who play like the game intends you to (which are the people you make an example of and would have us believe make up the majority of the regular VO userbase) and there are players who play any way the game allows you to. The second group are the ones that ruin it for everyone else because they make the mistake in thinking that "because they can" means "they should".
The only way this suggestion would be good is if there was a means to require a second person, as long as there is a way to do it solo, then it looks like nothing more than faction exclusivity circumvention. And no, bots like Itan shop dont count as a second person.
+ 1
This needs to happen sooner rather than later.
This needs to happen sooner rather than later.
So you can buy a bunch of faction exclusive ships on one alt, drop it in an empty sector and log off, log into your other alt immediately and pick them up? Much less having others do it for you. Completely defeats faction exclusivity.
Yes, thank you. This is exactly what I was planning on doing.
+1
Yes, thank you. This is exactly what I was planning on doing.
+1
"You show me how one person couldn't be the supplier and consumer in this situation using alts and then maybe my negative opinion on the suggestion wouldn't have any bearing."
I am your use case. I have no time to level an alt for the sole purpose of buying ships...but I have an abundance of credits from years of selling warranties.
I have spent 200 mil in player transactions over the last 30 days and would gladly spend another 200 more to generate more player-to-player trade to have black-market ships delivered to a station convenient to me.
I am your use case. I have no time to level an alt for the sole purpose of buying ships...but I have an abundance of credits from years of selling warranties.
I have spent 200 mil in player transactions over the last 30 days and would gladly spend another 200 more to generate more player-to-player trade to have black-market ships delivered to a station convenient to me.