Perhaps it is time to recognise and make permanent the three nationalist guilds in VO

AND

Allow them a minimal penalty for killing other races in thier own space.... like -1 point for killing a POS Itani in Serco space.

ONE
ITAN
UPK

These guilds should have bot masters 24/7 in addition to thier normal positions..

Hahahaha.

You're kidding right?

They are ALLIES! The guilds ONE and Itan couldn't be anything further from nationalist guilds. They are a running joke of carebears that only cares about sharing in the mass delusion that they are somehow superior to everyone else in their little club.

ONE has decided that their latest tactic will be running away constantly, that sounds very proud and chivalristic, just like a serco don'tcha think?

Don't even get me started on Itan.

I disagree with this not because of any perceived indiscretions on the part of the aforementioned guilds, but because I believe that any active player body should not be considered to be part of the backstory. If at such a time these guilds completely cease to exist they could become candidates for canonization.

-1 - We don't need no stinkin recognition! If the faction system ever gets tweaked to the point where those who can buy valks are attacked by Serco NPCs and those who can buy proms are attacked by Itani NPCs, the blockades, station guards, and CtC bots will fall right in line with how the war actually works.

TheRedSpy: U mad? Keep your lies and trash talk to the "RP" forum where it "belongs", thanks.

I don't think being allies with your sworn enemy is in the definition of nationalist

Why are those particular guilds the "chosen ones"? Why those and not SCAR or IDF or IA or ST6 or INM or SoR or SAF? The guilds you listed happen to be the active nationalistic guilds at the moment, but there have been other (perhaps more deserving) guilds previously, and there will be others in the future. Who is to say one or all of the guilds you listed won't die out tomorrow? Player-created guilds should remain the responsibility of players.

-1
unless instead of UPK you add UTM and FR...

And about pirate guilds? and anti-pirate, as VPRs, they also deserve benefits...

so, unless you make something as privileges for any guild existing (active) for over 2y, NO.

Sticking to the Principles of your nation is being nationalistic. Allying with your enemy is a breach of that. The point is, you don't give special permanent residency to guilds because what they are is entirely subjective. Some people may consider them nationalist guilds, personally I consider them to be monopolizing exclusionists.

Look, I love my guild, but I'm basically the only member of UPK who still logs on these days, and even then only sporadically. UTM is considerably smaller, but it is comparatively much more active.

Some day I'll get around to kicking the spoof alts out of UPK and whipping the guild into shape, but that will have to wait until I'm in-game more myself. Considering that I've deliberately cultivated a guild image of being under-funded, under-equipped, under-staffed, and stymied at every turn by political interests, the deficit of in-game UPK presence does not strike me as being particularly out of character.

In the meantime, if UTM wishes to step up to the plate as the premier UIT Nationalist Guild, they are welcome to it. Although certain circles in the roleplaying community have latched onto UPK as 'the' UIT nationalist institution, I've personally taken to the belief that sometime in the past UPK and UTM were separated into distinct administrative commands by order of the UIT Senate at the behest of certain 'special interest groups' seeking to limit the government's ability to police their activities.

Hey, vIsitor, I don't remember on meeting you online... but I am also the only UTM active... so if we reunite forces, we can DOUBLE the size of one UIT nationalist guild... UPK being older...

And I totally agree with your description, since UTM itself also complains about political changes, lack of funds and personnel, so on...

Anyway, my point was not to give UPK nor UTM any privileges... or every single guild would become "nationalist", like BLF as "gray nationalist", CHRN being Corvus, so on...

BUT if you talk about give any guild a home, sharing a proper (related) station, or something that extends with small variations to every Guild, then I support. But giving privileges to a few... no!

Look, I love my guild, but I'm basically the only member of UPK who still logs on these days, and even then only sporadically. UTM is considerably smaller, but it is comparatively much more active.

lol?

We don't have any UIT Nationalist guild, sorry.

vIsitor, Alloh: Why don't you guys team up and start recruiting?

peytros, TheRedSpy: Just because you happen to be members of a guild who's managed to make war with both of the prominent Itani and Serco nationalist guilds and often enough disrupt their affairs to the point where they'll immediately stop fighting and turn their weapons on YOU doesn't mean they've allied. It just means you've made a lot of enemies.

Again, take your trash talk to the "RP" forum where it "belongs".

Even the Yeerks and the Animorphs teamed up when the Helmacrons dropped in.

Then again, I don't pay much attention to the conquerable stations but it kind of seems like there isn't much fighting going on over them anymore, beyond what Famy induces. I could be mistaken but it seems to me that they're being shared.

I demand that no member, prospective member or ally of the BLF suffer any penalty for any action taken in Bractus.

Also I demand PaKettle be thrown out the nearest airlock for being an elitist racist and not recognizing the BLF as a nationalist guild!

I thought you were deemed a terrorist organization by the FBI.....

They are not in fact being shared, Rin. Any guild or person that is remotely suspected of being associated with anybody that CrazySpence doesn't like has their keys revoked immediately without questions asked. The same goes for Ecka etc... etc..

They are being monopolised. That is all.

Oh right.. this thread is about nationalist guilds..

ahh.. So.. on that note, this suggestion isn't entirely stupid, actually, I think if we remove the part about Itan and ONE its a great suggestion.

1+ to having hire-able NPC's that handle recruitment and other functions for guilds!

Get yer facts straight PaK, it was Homeland Security that seized the original BLF website.

Hey If yall think that there should be different guilds created thats fine by me. The point is I think they should be able to actually kill foreigners inside thier own territories with only minimal consequences.

Perhaps military service would also be a requirement.

One of the operating principles of VO is that no place is completely safe. It should never be totally safe for an Itani to stroll around serco space simply due to being POS. While the Itani may be a pillar of society the high command isnt going to spend a lot of time looking for someone who kills Itanis....

I hate to break it to ya Ryan but Bractus is a small unimportant corporate disputed sector of space. It does not come even close to being a nation state....

"peytros, TheRedSpy: Just because you happen to be members of a guild who's managed to make war with both of the prominent Itani and Serco nationalist guilds and often enough disrupt their affairs to the point where they'll immediately stop fighting and turn their weapons on YOU doesn't mean they've allied. It just means you've made a lot of enemies. "

I think that was a compliment to our effectiveness! We want to be part of the pirate backstory!