Wow, just wow Atice, you're full of shit.

Being able to turn it off isn't at all useful. What if I don't WANT everyone to know what guild I'm in? What if GOD FORBID I don't want people to prejudge me by my guild tag?

There is no positive to this suggestion.

I have never known a member of my guild to tell people to /ignore or /vote mute entire guilds. That is a fact.

As for you not wanting people to know what guild you're in because you're afraid of being judged: don't join a guild with that engenders such preconceptions. Done and done.

Plus, it's not like that information isn't available elsewhere, and hasn't ALWAYS been available in some form. This would simply make that information more accessible to the in-game population. (note: emphasis added in edit)

Edit: You yell on 100 what guild you're in. What on earth are you talking about?

I'm talking about you're still full of shit.

Adding this feature has no plus side to anyone except, well, people like you (fucktards). Don't join a guild with such preconceptions?! You made my point for me. It's another way to persecute a player publicly.

Oy. "such preconceptions" was referring to what you think the perceptions are, as per your statement "I don't want people to prejudge me by my guild tag". I was not implying anything; you did that yourself.

There are plenty of plus sides. I've outlined a small few of them, but it's usefulness is obvious. Take the vitriol back to the RP threads where it belongs please. Let it be noted the only guild and player being "persecuted" right now is my guild and myself.

Now let's move on and get back on topic. Imp, your concern has been noted.

Erm, ok, but the active player list never specified which guild people were in, Atice. Pairing to two together for your easy access was done by a player run bot that scraped the VO website for information that remains available. There's no reason why a player run bot can't still do this. Of course, this is no reason not to suggest this change too.. but.. we might as well be clear.

You should try to look at this from our perspective. I have, on more than a few occasions, when giving honest advice to a newb, seen someone warn the newb not to listen to me because I have been known to pirate people. I think that it is fair to be wary of that which plays into these sort of prejudices.

I can't say whether or not you have told people to hold opinions on entire guilds but I have seen you tell newbs to unfairly ignore specific players that had not yet caused them any trouble, so please forgive any suspicion that you would unfairly misuse your suggestion.

Sorry if it bothered you that I implied that not having a way to turn this feature off would be a deal-breaker for me.

Pointsman, I understand where you're coming from. Peytros (and others) have repeatedly called out on 100 that I am not to be trusted and that VPR is a pirate guild when I am helping a newb. Of course, people will help set the record straight on the purpose of VPR, but it's not like you're alone in this.

As for people yelling out that you're a pirate... I mean, you are. I don't mean that with any negative connotation, but it's a truth. The "pirate" persona/character tends to be a mischievous and manipulative one (if not the result of anyone in-game's fault then the result of the film industry). Some people (probably newbs) don't understand that you are breaking from RP. I'm not saying that everyone should be yelling not to trust you (far from it), I'm just saying that if someone yelled "Hey! Don't listen to Atice because he's a vigilante!" that would be completely understandable, and I wouldn't care very much.

As for the deal-breaker response, my appologies. I'd been riled up.

Note: And can we please get back on topic? I don't want to see this thread locked. Edit: Thanks guys!

I suppose I assumed that making it an option for the *sender* of the guild tag info (namely, the person speaking, not the person reading) was so subtly implicit as to suggest its not even being present.

It should be switchable, default to off, for every person. If you want to show who you belong to, that's fine, and your decision. If you do not, you should not have to.

And I still like the brain-based database.

just don't add this people are going to do some sort of data mining with it. Anyways if someone is giving honest to goodness newb adive (like type /roll to stop rolling) we really don't need to yell out not to trust them. Really this stems from you guys taking your RP too seriously. There are no good guys or bad guys we are all just playing vo. /thread

Heh. Data mining is possible one way or another. It's just the amount of effort involved that changes.

and as I already said:

The guild affiliation is much more important than the players' nation!

Quick example: for a Serco newbie, is is much safer meet with a VPR Itani player, than another Serco from CHRN.

Yah... far more useful data mining can be done via numerous other methods. Plus, your guild affiliation is already public info (while I'll admit that it wasn't tied as neatly together as it was on irc active, it was and still is publicly available information).

And as for yelling not to trust them... I specifically said that is not something I was suggesting people do. This suggestion is not about good guys or bad guys. In fact, having the guild tag next to everyone's name would probably make it easier for a guild to clear it's name of accusations, as guild members could more easily represent their guild on 100.

Let me re-iterate for the last time that this data is accessible already, it's just not easily accessible in-game. This suggestion is trying to bring data that can be found online into the game (as it makes sense to have all game-related information available in-game, which is why I don't really understand the "give me an option to not broadcast" crowd). Anti-guild campaigns can be carried out just as easily without this feature (as someone can yell, "hey look! Those bastards Atice and Teirl are in VPR, mute them!"); this feature would not enable such actions.

A few people seem awfully concerned about data mining here. Aside from the fact that guild membership data is already available on the website and easily mined, what are you worried about? What piece of information that you would like to keep private could be revealed by making it easier for people to see your guild affiliation?

With the possibility of turning it off for people who would find the extra text annoying, I support this idea. If you don't want people data-mining that you're in a guild....don't be in a guild?

Anyone who datamines this game is clearly a very sad and lonely individual. Just sayin...

Alternative thought: What if we made character names in chat.. clickable? So basically you could click on any character name who had said anything, and see the usual "k" type screen of their character info, albeit without ship type or location if they were not in the local sector. For now, they'd only be clickable in PDA/Station interfaces, obviously (where there's a.. mouse), but that's not much of a hindrance.

This would add the ability to retrieve the guild information in-game, without necessarily advertising it or causing it to be another contentious point in chat itself? It would also let players see more about who was talking, their background/experience in regards to licenses and other accomplishments.

I dunno if there's some data mining concern there.. I wouldn't think so. Unless if maybe like, acquiring a certain accomplishment would show your location somehow (only offered in a specific region, etc), but we could work around that sort of thing.

WoW and other games have offered means of exposing character data for ages, with lots of cool stats and a rendering of the character and all that. We're not quite there yet, but I don't think it's a bad direction, and might help this situation? Maybe?

inc that is probably the best idea i know in eve (RAAAAGGEEEE) that when you click on someones name the equvilant of targeting them and pressing K pops up. Might as well ad guild affiliation and position into that too if making them clickable

Inc's solution works very well for me (far more comprehensive / awesome than mine). Very cool stuff.

Knock yourself out, Inc.

Imp, Pey, etc.: we all know what to do when we're working--stay the fuck off 100.

So Data Mining is worse then roid mining? Hehehe

+1 on Incarnates idea

Clickable names works for me.