I suggested once a form of payment, which really is uncomplicate and simple. I believe, this suggestion got lost in this forum. So I try to repeat it:

https://www.micropayment.de/?page=products-call2pay〈=en

You simply call a number by phone for about a few seconds and they pay the predefined costs to a customer (in this case it would be vendetta-online).

Please look forward to integrate this payment. Not many people in old Europe wants to offer their whole privacy for playing a game and most does not trust Western Union anymore, since there are stories about losses of money.

Thanks a lot

They really like the word solution!

I dunno ..paybycash offers a couple of alternatives to WU. I've been using their direct bank transfer option for a couple of years now and didn't have any problems yet (other than that processing can take a couple of days).

That sort of system exacts fees from both the user and the company - it's not cost effective and frankly I'd rather deal with an established entity that I can find if there is a problem.

Not many people in old Europe wants to offer their whole privacy for playing a game

Yeah, giving your payment info to those guys is surely a better bet than giving it to Guild. Dream on, my english-mangling friend. And, as Whistler pointed out, those asswipes ratchet up the cost of doing business: either you pay more for the game, VO gets less of a cut, or both.

The amusing privacy laws of the UK and EU, and corresponding attitude engendered in the hapless denizens of those communalist bastions, never cease to amaze me. And the irony of these states, which so egregiously intrude the State into private information, having strict guidelines on what private actors can do with personal information that comes to them as part of a voluntary, take-it-or-leave-it bargained for transaction... that's rich.

Lecter's silly ad hominem remarks aside, why don't people pay by credit card? They offer rather good customer protection options and basically shove the cards in your hands (what you do with them is up to you, but we're all grown-ups, aren't we?).

If they're kids, they can ask their parents, and if their parents think that their children should not spend half their childhood on-line and subsequently refuse to pay, that's the parents' prerogative. Once they come of age, the kids can get credit cards, anyway, and plunge into debt all they want.

edit: Typo corrected.

Tosh, maybe you should actually try reading what I and the OP wrote (difficult, I know, in the latter case).

In the italic, quoted material of my post, the OP raised the issue of privacy/identity theft by having to provide name, billing info, and credit card info to a company.

I suggested that perhaps the greater concern for identity theft would be a shady third party service, and then, in the next sentence, echoed another's point that in addition to actually being riskier, the third party service is more expensive to one or both sides of the deal.

My final paragraph reflected on why this was a concern that seemed to come more frequently from those in countries with "robust" privacy law. Having had to deal with document collections from employees for employers in the UK and the EU, I had noted their unusually restrictive laws and the sense of entitlement they have engendered. I then observed that these same countries have some of the least restrictive laws about when and why the State may retain, use, or collect without telling your or against your will your personal information, which really does seem ironic.

The language may have been less than objective, but the remarks themselves were anything but ad hominem. They, unlike your own personal musings about credit cards and the social dynamics of debt, were responsive to a point in the OP.

As a final matter, please, learn to use the "y" key. "The" don't offer anything.

one of you was right, my english is bad. but i'm not living in an english spoken country, so i'm sorry.

My english is that worse, that i'm not able to see, if one or the other of your posts were spam or serious.^^ So i try to specify the point of my opinion a bit more:

It was my suggestion to "integrate" this 'possibility' to pay, not to replace the others!
free choice for any player!

In my personal situation it means:
I would like to play vendetta, but I can't/will not, as long as I have no other choice to transfer that much of my shipping or card-information over the internet.

Security in the internet? ^^ *lol* don't kidding me.

So I'm still waiting for a better solution.

Take me or leave me. It's your choice.

PS: to the politics of EU, i live in Europe, but not in a European-Union (EU) country. So it does not care me, what other EU-countries suffer from double-tongue politians. (I do not support so big centralism at all. For us, a Membership in the EU would drastically lead to less democratic rights in our country). But I know one: privacy is threaten as longer as more as an act of unlawful distrust so there's only little step until it gets criminalized, and this development is absolutely the wrong direction, if one talks about 'freedom':

"Who gives up freedom for security does not earn one of them"

[Benjamin Franklin]

You know, I'm pretty sure that your card information is safe with Guild.

that does not answer nothing, roguelazer.

The tecnical possibilities exists! So why don't use them? (you better would argue with reasons why)

I...

Argh. Incarnate, this one's for you and your whole "please suffer the fools" pitch: I'm going to just drop this one ;)

so, how much would the fee be? Not as much as the daily changes in cash-trade/courses between $ and € or any other payment in Europe.

So, why dont' give players a way to do so? (if it costs 9,5 € or 10,3 € would not be a really 'great' matter at all)

to make it more precise:

I would like to play Vendetta.
but I don't need Vendetta
does Vendetta need more players? Yes or No
There are other games...

Must. Bite. Tongue.

Basically, you are afraid that your information will be misused if you transmit it over the internet, correct?

My suggestion then is to get another bank account and deposit only a few dollars in it. If the bank account gets hijacked (honestly, unless you are blatantly not careful, it's not as common nor as easy as movies make it out to be), you will be fine because it only has a few dollars in it.

Also, as a side note, check out this link: https://www.vendetta-online.com/x/payoptions

Notice it says https . The S in HTTPS means SSL. SSL means Secure to the normal user. Unless you are you or the website (Guild Software), you will *not* get the information sent this way.

Lecter, I wasn't replying to your post, but that was not very apparent. My bad.

As for the dynamics of personal debt, I am not unaware of it, however, it lies in the responsibility of the individual to avoid it. That is how I see it. Hence my 'we're all grown-ups' qualifier.

As for security: I'm not saying the internet is 'secure'. I'm saying my credit card provider (among others) offers good customer protection against fraudulent individuals in some circumstances; if I screw up because I could not see the signs (like, for instance, not spotting an url that clearly indicated a phishing attempt), there is nothing they can do if I already sent money. Such is life.

However, there is a relatively large community that can be reached via google and other means, to look for known bad apples.

And payment by credit card is still quite comfortable, more comfortable than by phone or by cash.

Whack-a-mole

[My remarks], unlike your own personal musings about . . . the social dynamics of debt, were responsive to a point in the OP

Point made? Dynamics of personal debt not responsive to OP.

As for the dynamics of personal debt, I am not unaware of it, however, it lies in the responsibility of the individual to avoid it. That is how I see it.

Response? I am aware of the point you said I discussed in error as it was not responsive to the OP.

Non sequitur much?

Ergh. I shouldn't post in the mornings. Of course expanding further on personal debt was unnecessary, however, I was not only musing about personal debt.

My main objective was to reply tazman's posts by pointing out that credit cards are a quite comfortable and relatively secure way to pay for VO.

The rest was myself not paying attention too much to what you were saying (bad habit of mine, can't seem to shake it), and having a tendency to lose track mid-post.

Non sequitur indeed, but not on purpose.

Well, why do Americans allways mean to do another person a favour, to dismiss his meaning/trust, by arguments that bases on the conservative behavior? - Let it see as a Open Mind, to give people a chance with other meanings and ideas.

I know what SSL is, i use it on own projects.

I'm sure, there are some (especially in Europe), that would like also the 'simply'-(nes?) of a call2pay payment. Not especially because they distrust anyone here, but because of it's comfort, quicknes and anonymity.

so, why not give them the possibility to pay this way?

I allways thougt, Americans are very open minded?

I am European, and I prefer payment by credit card... but I am only one person. I wouldn't want to have to call somebody by phone to pay for something, though. It sounds fishy to me, no matter how I look at it.

And CC is much more comfortable in my opinion.

Keep in mind none of the devs said anything on the matter. Maybe they'll like it, or something.

If it doesn't cost devs anything then... why not, but really, i don't think many would use it.
Credit card works just fine (and what does being in europe has to do with preferred method of payment anyway?)