Valent station UIT space. Player attacking a friendly dent , I get in the way, some damage .

I get the message that I can defend myself without factional repercussions for 15 Mins.

So, I shoot the player and I'm instantly UIT kos, despite having been told I won't be.

It is only a 15 min kos with 1 pt standing loss but it makes the idea of being able to defend oneself rather pointless.

So is it intended that defending oneself now gets a kos a bug or is the whole idea to give the greifers an easy way to attack without a chance of someone defending themselves ?

One or the other with accurate messages might be useful ?

Thinking like a station, I can *kinda* see how a station wouldn't want you loosing off weapons in the NFZ, even in self-defense, because of the chances of collateral damage. However, if stations want to enforce that sort of thing, they really need to improve their ability to deal with NFZ violators themselves. I feel embarrassed for the SF, watching an intruder endlessly fly around the NFZ shooting whatever they please, while the SF bumbles along doing nothing effective to stop the violator.

You didn't have factional repercussions. You violated the NFZ and got punished like the person who initially did too. Working as intended. Don't fire in the NFZ.

You probably hit someone else when firing on the the player you had a self defense flag on. That is one of the dangers of shooting in the NFZ.

No, he had a self defense flag against his target; there was no voy in the area at the time.
I understand what womble said, regarding the "story" reason why even under defense flags we cannot hit in the NFZ, however the message does state:

"You were attacked by <Player Name> in <Sector>. You are now free to defend yourself without factional repercussions for 15 minutes from the most recent hit of either party or until your attacker dies."

This is VERY misleading.
Either we're allowed to defend in the NFZ, or the message needs to include "outside of the station NFZ".

No, he had a self defense flag against his target; there was no voy in the area at the time.

If his target was shooting a dent in a nfz, then his target had SF chasing. Dave John probably hit a SF or even the dent by mistake. It happens.

Either we're allowed to defend in the NFZ, or the message needs to include "outside of the station NFZ".

What you are asking for is permission to shoot anything in the nfz once you get a self defense flag. You do realize the issues that would cause right? Pirates would have someone shoot them, then they would just go to town camping targets in the NFZ with zero repercussions.

It sounds like Dave John was trying to get hit on purpose so he could shoot someone. He did, then his plan backfired because he shot something else. That is VO for you.

Dave John probably hit a SF or even the dent by mistake. It happens.
I was there I saw he didn't hit SF, that's not the argument so I'll leave it out.

I am aware of what the "Repercussions" would be.
The way the text currently reads it implies you can shoot within the bounds of the NFZ in self-defense.

That is why i added [message needs to include "outside of the station NFZ".] as this is the intended behavior of the game.
The text currently does not reflect the intention of "only outside" the NFZ.

"You are now free to defend yourself without factional repercussions"
to "You are now free to defend yourself outside of the station NFZ without factional repercussions".

IE: Make the meaning more clear.

We're about "Keeping the newbies."
We all may understand the "Functions", but look at that message from a new players perspective; even now at least 1 veteran is miss-understanding the text.

I did say "Either we're allowed to defend in the NFZ," but that was not to say "Make this so", that was used to show that is what the message currently says and is being interpreted as.

I was there I saw he didn't hit SF, that's not the argument so I'll leave it out.

I know the pilots who were there. I asked them to send me their logs so i could read them. You were not there. Dave John got tkos around 18:38:01. You showed up around 18:43:07.

There's an even more misleading message than the one after you've been shot by someone, too. The warning message when you violate the NFZ the first time (before the SF goes out after you) says something along the lines of "attacks on other pilots will not be tolerated unless you are defending yourself." While I agree that it doesn't explicitly say "you can defend yourself in the NFZ", it's not *totally* unreasonable to read that way, IMO, given the context in which the message appears.