Our testing today:

castle POS Itani National
Lisa201 POS Serco National
Schmidtrock POS UIT National

Orion Station sector

[Fri Jun 10 08:38:31 2011] (guild) [Azek C-14] <Lisa201> castle... I'm on my way there, lets check something.
-------- Outside the NFZ
[Fri Jun 10 08:39:39 2011] (guild) [Azek M-4] <Lisa201> come on out and we will shoot each other once and see who gets the message.
[Fri Jun 10 08:40:54 2011] castle destroyed Lisa201 (So much for once.. hehehe)
[Fri Jun 10 08:42:58 2011] (guild) [Azek M-4] <Lisa201> Ok, I got the forgive messege which I did forgive you castle. What did you get?
[Fri Jun 10 08:43:20 2011] (guild) [Azek M-4] <castle> got warning but no guard attacked me
[Fri Jun 10 08:43:47 2011] (guild) [Azek M-4] <castle> only 1 warning nothing else
[Fri Jun 10 08:44:15 2011] (guild) [Azek M-4] <Lisa201> well, you killed me like in two seconds!
[Fri Jun 10 08:44:52 2011] (guild) [Azek M-4] <castle> sorry station guard could of cared less
[Fri Jun 10 08:45:01 2011] (guild) [Azek M-4] <Lisa201> we are outside the NFZ...
[Fri Jun 10 08:45:56 2011] (guild) [Azek M-4] <castle> true ok come get me
---------- In the NFZ
[Fri Jun 10 08:46:08 2011] (guild) [Azek M-4] <Lisa201> Ok, I shot Schmidtrock and the KOS was set on me.
[Fri Jun 10 08:46:10 2011] *Strike Force Broshen Shekodis destroyed Lisa201
[Fri Jun 10 08:47:14 2011] (guild) [Azek M-4] <Lisa201> Ok, I shot Schmidtrock once in the NFZ, and the guards came and killed me.
[Fri Jun 10 08:47:36 2011] (guild) [Azek M-4] <Lisa201> I'm going to bump you once Schmidtrock
[Fri Jun 10 08:48:01 2011] (guild) [Azek M-4] <Schmidtrock> I got a ceasefire message
[Fri Jun 10 08:48:29 2011] (guild) [Azek M-4] <Schmidtrock> how retarded
[Fri Jun 10 08:50:38 2011] (guild) [Azek M-4] <Lisa201> Oh ya! castle must have on the way by. I see a seeker came out and now castle is gone...
----------------- Bump test... Collisions..... In the NFZ
[Fri Jun 10 08:50:59 2011] <Lisa201> ha castle, come bump me just once... see who gets the message
[Fri Jun 10 08:52:02 2011] (guild) [Azek M-4] <Lisa201> No message on my end...
[Fri Jun 10 08:52:03 2011] (guild) [Azek M-4] <castle> I got the warning
[Fri Jun 10 08:52:46 2011] <Lisa201> they will kill you if you bump me again I think.
[Fri Jun 10 08:53:28 2011] <Lisa201> you get the message again?
[Fri Jun 10 08:53:31 2011] (guild) [Azek M-4] <castle> nope just warning again
[Fri Jun 10 08:53:45 2011] <Lisa201> must be a time limit.
[Fri Jun 10 08:54:44 2011] (guild) [Azek M-4] <castle> no warnings anymore
[Fri Jun 10 08:55:09 2011] <Lisa201> ya, no warnings on my end.
[Fri Jun 10 08:55:39 2011] (guild) [Azek M-4] <castle> strange
[Fri Jun 10 08:56:25 2011] (guild) [Azek M-4] <Lisa201> Ya, castle and I are in the NFZ both non-UIT, and bumping each other.(stop smirking) and only he got warnings, and the seekers are not attacking him. Or me.
-------------- castle shot me once..
[Fri Jun 10 08:56:38 2011] (guild) [Azek M-4] <castle> warning
[Fri Jun 10 08:56:43 2011] <Lisa201> here come the seekers!
[Fri Jun 10 08:57:31 2011] (guild) [Azek M-4] <Lisa201> As soon as he took one shot at me, the seekers came out and chased him away.
---------------- Lisa201 shot Schmidtrock in the NFZ while he was mining. One shot.
[Fri Jun 10 08:59:47 2011] <Lisa201> so you get the message Schmidtrock ?
[Fri Jun 10 08:59:51 2011] <Schmidtrock> yup
[Fri Jun 10 08:59:51 2011] *Station Guard Otina Kor destroyed Lisa201
[Fri Jun 10 09:01:24 2011] (guild) [Azek M-4] <Lisa201> So, Schmidtrock is UIT and POS. I bump him in Orion Guarded space, and he gets the warning... :-/
[Fri Jun 10 09:04:58 2011] (guild) [Azek M-4] <Lisa201> Ok, got to log. Thanks castle for the testing of the faction standing stuff. I'll go post it on the forum bugs.

Yees? This is how the faction system works, you've figured it out, what's the problem?

I'm not following what the bug is here. I see a wall of text, and most of it is as I'd expect. Is the bug that Lisa bumps castle in the NFZ but does not get a warning message?

One of them is Orion admired, the other isnt. Simple, no bug.

We know about ramming triggering a warning for admired players.

But you see, I was completely stationary with mining beams engaged. I, got the warning.

You did the damage when you were bumped into.

That's completely brilliant and awesome.

/sarcasm

To me it sounds like the bug is that you didn't both get the warning. It should be all or none, IMO.

Why not consider the velocities to decide who is at fault? Consider a moth hauling something heavy. Lots of inertia. Now some troublemaker like me comes along in a nimble ship, gets in front of the moth, and stops dead. In that situation, I am the one who should get the warning, not the moth pilot. Since there is no good way for the game to decide who is at fault, both parties should get the warning.

Note that the warning is harmless, so an innocent person getting it is ok. The important thing is for the guilty party to get it, so that he is (hopefully) deterred from causing more trouble.

That's the point though. I was at a dead stop, mining a roid.

She bumped me to test it and see what the result would be.

I wasn't moving, at all.

I agree with your other points though.

It doesn't matter who gets a warning. No kills from collision damage are going to result in standing loss because the game has no *fair* way of telling whose fault it is.

Give it a rest will ya?