Borb, your question was pretty much answered, but up in my previous post you'll see "Any participation by VPR members in non-BL activity is completely their responcibility" or something like that. Their choice to join in the fight or stay out has nothing to do with the alliance unless you are a known pirate.

Spellcast--I could answer your question. But don't you know the answer yourself? It's inside of you! /run

Shape, To prove yourself, why don't you try something along the lines of /givemoney Bank01 50000000

That *may* earn our trust again, but you shoud probably do it a couple times to be sure.

Sun Tzu, yes, it does, doesn't it. and you _know_ I've helped Itanis doing CtC before. now, I have no reason to do so.

look, IA, if you wish to keep your traders safe, run escort duty. taking part in B8 under VPR cover doesn't help at all.

I would say it is -at best- half of an excuse. Nonsense may call nonsense, but many itani have nothing to do with the first one. Anyway, we'll live with it.

terjek why bother with expensive/boring cargoescorts if it is more excillerating, cheaper and safer to make an alliance with an anti - pirate guild so that you can throw more resources into the war?

Isn't that what smart leadership/diplomatics would be like?

cheers

Except they're not putting more resources into the war. [IA] aren't hiring VPR's to protect their convoys, they're spending time galavanting and hunting pirates instead of fighting the war.

there is always a transition time.

Besides they are already winning the ctc so why should they bring in even more people? I would just say that the advantage is that they can do so if they want. Their tradelines will be safe anyway. Don't forget, ctc kinda has the tendency to go up and down, just like ctf from old.

*clears throat*

Just to be clear; That's the IA your referring to, yes? Vipers most certainly do not gallivant.

For any alliance between the Serco nation, and BL to even form with me (I do not speak for all Serco, but I think they will see what I am about to say is right) you should remove your *playground* from sedina B8, you attract way too much attention there, and are way too close to the Serco CTC spawn point that I feel disrespected somehow, Odia B13 would be a more stragegic wormhole for you to use, in my opinion, as it puts you closer to the Itani trans, and out of our way.

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If im not on the Viper KOS list Maso, im going to be upset. =p let me elaborate, one of your guys shot me while I was shooting defbots? DEFBOTS? Now if this upsets your guild, fine, but he should of hailed me, at least us decent pirates give our pray that, you know who you are.

Hmm, it might be interesting to try, seeing if we can generate a new "sweet spot". Bractus E2 seems like the most reasonable though.

If we go in between we just won't get any traffic

Your proposal is acceptable, include me at least in your proposal, and I look forward to /dueling some of your memebers soon.

As an an itani i'm pissed at the the IA/VPR allance.

The BL have started killing on site any itani that comes near them. Recently the BL have been going apes**t on every itani they see. In Grey and UIT space. That has to stop. BL please treat all non IA itani fairly. We as itani need to be able to trade in peace without significat pressure from the BL. Remember BL your fight is with the IA not the itani people. Please keep your attacks confined to the IA.

I understand that CTC and grey space are dangerous. And during ctc anyone getting in my way is a fair target and so am i, but safter ctc "live and let lie is my motto".

I want everyone to understand that the IDF, and the rest of the itani people have made no treaty with the VPR. And that the IA doesn't make policy for the entire itani nation.

And to the IA: the Bl are only attacking in grey and uit space now. But they could easy start attacking traders in Newbies in Itani space. Or they could align with the serco.

Your allance is causing the entire Itani nation trouble, is a formal treaty really worth it?

So, nycblkboy, you want us to condone piracy? Not gonna happen. BL are self-proclaimed pirates, they should be prepared for the consequences of that. As for BL "killing on site any itani that comes near them," maybe that's an indication that IDF & other "legal" Itani guilds SHOULD join the alliance against them. Piracy is a crime that MUST NOT be tolerated in the least degree. And any Serco that align themselves with the BL in any way, shape or form, reveal to the world what their stance on piracy is, and I hope would be shunned by other Serco who have more respect for the law.

i never said i condone piracy... i'm just saying the ia should not determine policy for the entire itani nation.
a war is coming bl/serco vs the entire itani nation. and if its going to be open war i want a say in it.
I say the ia should disolve the traty if this is going to be the case.
all itani should do what they have been doing fighting piracy anywhere they see it but the ia/vpr alance scares me because the started a war without my say so. or any other non-ai member.
and i think that wrong

No, the IA did nothing of the sort. BL seems to have opened (greater) hostilities against Itani pilots in a bizarre response to two guilds' actions.

They're *pirates*. It's what they *do*. Expecting them to not attack you again if the IA and VPR break their alliance is foolish. Their actions aren't rationally related to the IA-VPR alliance to begin with.

If you want to complain about a war starting without your say-so, you need to direct your complaint against BL. After all, *they're* the ones shooting at you.

Grey space is our turf. Or it was. Slowly we are being pushed out of it, where are we to go? It was never safe to pirate, but now you have to be nuts to do it in grey space. As things are we may have to move and pirate else where. You can blame us for this if it helps you sleep at night. But you are only gonna blind your self's to the true killers.

Why should you care about such a small group? Funny that's what they said about al quida back in the 90s. Not that I condone any thing al quida did or does. Just pointing out that not caring could hurt every one.

borb i never said we shouldn't defend/kill pirates u deserve to die (role playing forum remmber). i'm just saying the ia is wrong, they took an action that hurt all itani. i say back down and break the allance.
declare war on pirates seperatly not with vpr

We are peace full if you guys would just pay us. :D

"The enemy of our enemy is our ally." So, VPR is a guild specifically formed to fight against Pirates. If the IA declares war on pirates, seperately or formally with a treaty, the result is the same.

Well, you see, the thing is, I'm fighting this battle on the grounds that we pirates are neutral. Most of us turned on our own nation, generally citing the extreme hypocrisy (true for serco, itani, and UIT).

Now, I'd really rather not have to become a serco pirate. But it's not that I can't become one.

And trust me. If the Serco organize again and we're on their side,

IA is gonna have a rough time of it.

In the interests of balance, I recommend dissolving this alliance.

It is true we will still attack everyone. But when you travel as IA now, you make it so that no itani is entitled to a warning from us. And the [IA] mark is a bullseye on your head.


Remember that you are representative of your nation. For your actions, we will hold your nation accountable.

Shape summed it up nicely. We just want to do our own thing with out having to pick sides.