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Goodafternoon, people.
I'm typing theese words down in a friendly manner as to avoid inconveniencing new pilots in the event of entering Gray Space.
There are certain rules of behaviour to take part in whenever you approach Gray Space. most of them involve other pilots and recommended actions.
First off, be wary. Gray Space has no guards, no overseers and no policeforce, except around the small stations, which are for obvious reasons, heavily guarded.
Secondly, avoid approaching the pilots. If you have a new and shiney wraith, loaded with your fancy stingrays and phase blasters, feeling invincible.
Don't go near. Never steer your ship directly towards another player. Not against a Green dot, Not against a Red dot. Approaching others is often percieved as an initial attack, and will engage in hostilities against you.
When another pilot heads your way, point your ship at an angle and boost for your life. That means the green dots as well. Even if they aren't out to get you, its a good precaution.
When another ship opens fire... DODGE DAMMIT
Don't just fly along in 65m/s in the faint hope that you'll reach the wormhole before he runs out of batterypower. DODGE.
When you approach a flying fighter, DONT immediately launch your seekers and run, its considered bad form to use homing weapons in this manner, and if its a fighter in the other end, will only serve to annoy them and make them write your name down.
When you engage somone in combat, Stick to it. To charge against anyone, is to take the initiative to die. If you don't want to risk your ship, don't charge. If you get attacked, its perfectly ok to run, fight back, delay, or cheat. For the attacker, its bad form to run when you get your ass handed to you with a breadslicer.
If you see a convoy in the area ( Itani or Serco transport ships ) stay well clear, and say in the sector that you're just passing by. Approaching it will be percieved as hostile action, and will most likely end you up with your cargo in space, and put you down on the "buy back last ship" dialog. you don't want this.
Be nice. If somone catches you unaware and swiftly ends your ships existance in order to see whats inside it, don't go ravaging and insulting on them. Insulting the people who just killed you is most likely to make them jot your name down on a list, and take the time to destroy you a couple of more times when they see you.
Remember, this is vendetta, people do that ;)
If you decide to pirate, and take the chance to kill somone, then they ask for a fight afterwards, take them up on the offer, its only fair to allow them the chance to see how a wellproponed fight would end up, and most traders are curious as to how they would measure if they weren't handicapped by their centaur with 44 cu of Xithicicde ore.
I'm typing theese words down in a friendly manner as to avoid inconveniencing new pilots in the event of entering Gray Space.
There are certain rules of behaviour to take part in whenever you approach Gray Space. most of them involve other pilots and recommended actions.
First off, be wary. Gray Space has no guards, no overseers and no policeforce, except around the small stations, which are for obvious reasons, heavily guarded.
Secondly, avoid approaching the pilots. If you have a new and shiney wraith, loaded with your fancy stingrays and phase blasters, feeling invincible.
Don't go near. Never steer your ship directly towards another player. Not against a Green dot, Not against a Red dot. Approaching others is often percieved as an initial attack, and will engage in hostilities against you.
When another pilot heads your way, point your ship at an angle and boost for your life. That means the green dots as well. Even if they aren't out to get you, its a good precaution.
When another ship opens fire... DODGE DAMMIT
Don't just fly along in 65m/s in the faint hope that you'll reach the wormhole before he runs out of batterypower. DODGE.
When you approach a flying fighter, DONT immediately launch your seekers and run, its considered bad form to use homing weapons in this manner, and if its a fighter in the other end, will only serve to annoy them and make them write your name down.
When you engage somone in combat, Stick to it. To charge against anyone, is to take the initiative to die. If you don't want to risk your ship, don't charge. If you get attacked, its perfectly ok to run, fight back, delay, or cheat. For the attacker, its bad form to run when you get your ass handed to you with a breadslicer.
If you see a convoy in the area ( Itani or Serco transport ships ) stay well clear, and say in the sector that you're just passing by. Approaching it will be percieved as hostile action, and will most likely end you up with your cargo in space, and put you down on the "buy back last ship" dialog. you don't want this.
Be nice. If somone catches you unaware and swiftly ends your ships existance in order to see whats inside it, don't go ravaging and insulting on them. Insulting the people who just killed you is most likely to make them jot your name down on a list, and take the time to destroy you a couple of more times when they see you.
Remember, this is vendetta, people do that ;)
If you decide to pirate, and take the chance to kill somone, then they ask for a fight afterwards, take them up on the offer, its only fair to allow them the chance to see how a wellproponed fight would end up, and most traders are curious as to how they would measure if they weren't handicapped by their centaur with 44 cu of Xithicicde ore.
It's a good start, Spider, except for the thing about homing missiles. EXCESSIVE use of homing missiles is bad (a Ragnarok with two Swarm launchers and three Gemini missile launchers is really over the top). Using a good mix of homing missiles and guns is recommended IMHO. It makes it so you're not a single source threat. Putting missiles and rockets into space while shooting your guns puts more threat sources into space so your opponent has to concentrate on more than just where your gun shots are going.
And to pirates: if you're going to attack traders, realize that eventually they're going to convoy up to make it more difficult to you. Last night, a pirate was attacking lone traders until they got fed up with dying and banded together. Soon, the pirate's on 100 ranting about getting missile spammed. Well I understand that he was frustated about getting trounced so badly (it's happened to me before), but if you think about it, when you go up against five enemies, and each can carry at least one missile launcher, if not more, WELL OF COURSE you're going to be overwhelmed by missiles. Be frustrated, but don't bitch about it! It's now your job to get a bunch of pirates to band together to neutralize the advantage of player convoys. I think it's really bad form to go insulting everyone who figured out how to defeat you - especially when essentially you were fighting unfairly anyway (attacking unarmed miners, or heavy traders is pretty unfair).
And to pirates: if you're going to attack traders, realize that eventually they're going to convoy up to make it more difficult to you. Last night, a pirate was attacking lone traders until they got fed up with dying and banded together. Soon, the pirate's on 100 ranting about getting missile spammed. Well I understand that he was frustated about getting trounced so badly (it's happened to me before), but if you think about it, when you go up against five enemies, and each can carry at least one missile launcher, if not more, WELL OF COURSE you're going to be overwhelmed by missiles. Be frustrated, but don't bitch about it! It's now your job to get a bunch of pirates to band together to neutralize the advantage of player convoys. I think it's really bad form to go insulting everyone who figured out how to defeat you - especially when essentially you were fighting unfairly anyway (attacking unarmed miners, or heavy traders is pretty unfair).
Also let it be noted that pilots defending the convoy will take ANY MEANS they can to make sure
A) The transport reaches its destination.
B) The cargo the transport is carrying reaches its destination.
C) All the above.
If you happen to be in the same sector as a transport, my advice is state your intentions. But being shot in grey space is what grey space is about, i think that is the point.
Also if you get near shot in grey space, and run away, this is not a reason to brag, hanging around and *handing me my ass* is.
A) The transport reaches its destination.
B) The cargo the transport is carrying reaches its destination.
C) All the above.
If you happen to be in the same sector as a transport, my advice is state your intentions. But being shot in grey space is what grey space is about, i think that is the point.
Also if you get near shot in grey space, and run away, this is not a reason to brag, hanging around and *handing me my ass* is.
Thanks CP, editing slightly to get my point through.
There is no eitiquite in combat. If you attack me in my Centar your gonna get a double barreled missile firen' madman who's gonna head straight for the nearest exit. You do what it takes to survive.
The Roach : I'm not sure if your capable of comprehencing the idea of what I tried to relate here, but I'll try to explain it to you again.
"When you approach a flying fighter, DONT immediately launch your seekers and run, its considered bad form to use homing weapons in this manner, and if its a fighter in the other end, will only serve to annoy them and make them write your name down."
is there anything that strikes you as odd in the idea that a trader in a centaur would approach a fighter ship? Or that any trader with their senses not dulled by the fumes of voltaile chemicals would try the fire&forget with cargo?
I'm sorry if I shatter your view of the world, but yes, there is an etiquette to combat, but nowhere did I speak out against protecting your ship and cargo. I speak out against triggerhappy traders who think that all dots should have trails of firefly missiles after them so they will be "safe".
"When you approach a flying fighter, DONT immediately launch your seekers and run, its considered bad form to use homing weapons in this manner, and if its a fighter in the other end, will only serve to annoy them and make them write your name down."
is there anything that strikes you as odd in the idea that a trader in a centaur would approach a fighter ship? Or that any trader with their senses not dulled by the fumes of voltaile chemicals would try the fire&forget with cargo?
I'm sorry if I shatter your view of the world, but yes, there is an etiquette to combat, but nowhere did I speak out against protecting your ship and cargo. I speak out against triggerhappy traders who think that all dots should have trails of firefly missiles after them so they will be "safe".
feel free to come toward me firing your missiles, it makes it so I can use my superior acceleration to dodge the missiles, catch up with you and annihilate your pitiful cargo-ridden arse.
Easy Spider, I'm not going around launching missles at random targets. I reponding to CrippledPidgeon's coments about excessive use of missles and the general feeling that there is a notion that missles are somehow cheep.
If someone goes around firing missles at random people in grey space, of course they are going to get hunted down and they deserve it. If someones character pisses off half the galexy all they have to do is create another one and start over again.
However, I remain by my initial remark - there is no etiquette in combat and to be fair, you're not talking about combat, your talking about travelling. I think it's bad form to attack any nuetral ship no matter what weapon you are using. But that is the danger of flying aound nuetral space. Hell, I don't particularly like getting my jumped by Spider, but it's the risk of doing buisness.
No offense, just putting my two cents in. I hear what your saying and in fact one of my biggest fears is accidently launching a missle salvo at some poor soul that I just happen to have targeted to see who he is and what he's flying (hasn't happened yet), I can't think of anything more embarissing.
As for Shape, trust me on this, I won't be charging you, but rather I will be running away from you firing my missles hoping to distract you long enough to make my getaway.
If someone goes around firing missles at random people in grey space, of course they are going to get hunted down and they deserve it. If someones character pisses off half the galexy all they have to do is create another one and start over again.
However, I remain by my initial remark - there is no etiquette in combat and to be fair, you're not talking about combat, your talking about travelling. I think it's bad form to attack any nuetral ship no matter what weapon you are using. But that is the danger of flying aound nuetral space. Hell, I don't particularly like getting my jumped by Spider, but it's the risk of doing buisness.
No offense, just putting my two cents in. I hear what your saying and in fact one of my biggest fears is accidently launching a missle salvo at some poor soul that I just happen to have targeted to see who he is and what he's flying (hasn't happened yet), I can't think of anything more embarissing.
As for Shape, trust me on this, I won't be charging you, but rather I will be running away from you firing my missles hoping to distract you long enough to make my getaway.
That bit about the CTC convoys is pure bull. I have flown through those sectors and been chased two or three solar systems even after stating *multiple* times that I was just passing through. How much does it take to look at my charinfo and see my PKs? "Itani: 0 Serco: 0 UIT: 0"
Really, though... It's nice to hear a Serco "preaching" that policy, but I refuse to believe it when he himself is one of the people who chased me after I declared non-hostile intentions.
Really, though... It's nice to hear a Serco "preaching" that policy, but I refuse to believe it when he himself is one of the people who chased me after I declared non-hostile intentions.
( CUT to stay on topic )
Roach: I still stand by the fact that there is an etiquette to combat.
Roach: I still stand by the fact that there is an etiquette to combat.
5/6/6/5/3 Does it LOOK like I fly a valk? I suggest you stop now, Spider, before you make another false accusation.
I haven't flown a valkyrie since 3.3.x... and a warthog looks NOTHING like a Valkyrie.
I haven't flown a valkyrie since 3.3.x... and a warthog looks NOTHING like a Valkyrie.
Tread carefully, gentlemen. This is looking less and less like role-playing and is getting a bit warm.
"Tread carefully, gentlemen..."
OooooooooooOouuu...
O-key, bad joke on my part. Sorry.
OooooooooooOouuu...
O-key, bad joke on my part. Sorry.
I agree with The Roach, there is no etiquette in combat. People are free to chase, group, hunt down (and after the News system is complete, to put head bounties) anyone, specially ones that attack traders and/or abuse weaponry.
If I decide to turn into a pirate, I'm not going to type whole sentences and wait for an answer, people will be gone by then! Very nice when stated in the manual, but not practical.
If I decide to turn into a pirate, I'm not going to type whole sentences and wait for an answer, people will be gone by then! Very nice when stated in the manual, but not practical.
alias your pirating messages onyx ;)
yodaofborg makes a good point. If you're a Serco in the same sector as a bunch of Itanis and our convoy, don't complain when you die. It -is- grey space.
I agree with Onyx and Roach - there is no etiquette in combat.
If you really want to make a guide like this useful, then change it so it helps new players in grey areas stay alive if that is their goal. The beginning of the original post was excellent for this before it started to head into this behavioral nonsense.
Bernout
If you really want to make a guide like this useful, then change it so it helps new players in grey areas stay alive if that is their goal. The beginning of the original post was excellent for this before it started to head into this behavioral nonsense.
Bernout
You guys ARE right, there is no etiquette to combat. But, if you come in and swarm me while I'm fighting someone, you're gonna make an enemy. Remember that the more honorably you fight, the more likely people are to help you on your way to being powerful.
Honor is rarely going to win you battles, and its really not about that.
Just remember that grey space is dangerous, and its good to have friends.
Honor is rarely going to win you battles, and its really not about that.
Just remember that grey space is dangerous, and its good to have friends.
Dear Celkan: gray space. grey space. gray space.
there be. pie-rats. in grey space. there be fighters. in gray space. probably everywhere, not just in grey space.
'Really, though... It's nice to hear a Serco "preaching" that policy'
what policy was the serco preaching, btw?
there be. pie-rats. in grey space. there be fighters. in gray space. probably everywhere, not just in grey space.
'Really, though... It's nice to hear a Serco "preaching" that policy'
what policy was the serco preaching, btw?
As a relatively newb trader, my thoughts on Combat Etiquette:
Combat is fought between warriors, and if they want rules of engagement, so be it, blast each other into stardust.
It is not Combat when a pirate hunts down a trader or a miner, regardless of the color of space. It is a Stick-Up, and that's all well and good, risk of doing business and all.
Perhaps we need to understand, however, that those shopkeepers who keep shotguns under their counters do not do so for the purpose of Combat, but to defend themselves against a Stick-Up. If the trader, or miner, is conducting his business and feels compelled to also be bristling with missiles to be loosed to enable a hasty retreat, then the pirate must understand that is his own risk of doing..."business".
Combat is fought between warriors, and if they want rules of engagement, so be it, blast each other into stardust.
It is not Combat when a pirate hunts down a trader or a miner, regardless of the color of space. It is a Stick-Up, and that's all well and good, risk of doing business and all.
Perhaps we need to understand, however, that those shopkeepers who keep shotguns under their counters do not do so for the purpose of Combat, but to defend themselves against a Stick-Up. If the trader, or miner, is conducting his business and feels compelled to also be bristling with missiles to be loosed to enable a hasty retreat, then the pirate must understand that is his own risk of doing..."business".