This sounds to me like a missed opportunity for an excellent "everyone swarm-spams peytros" event.

pfft i have never shot someone in the event sector waiting for the event to start. I'm sorry nahin can't control himself when he sees i have a two mil bounty but that doesn't let him off the hook.

if this was the other way around you would all be calling for me to be banned from nation war forever.

Too bad NW was ruined by the removal of the valk or else I might actually care more about it. It would appear that this event doesn't appeal to everyone and it's everyone's choice as to what they end up doing.

If someone doesn't like the event then they have the option to interrupt it. If you don't like that they interrupted it then you have the option to do something about it. I think that is the way of vendetta because everyone was given the ability to equip guns to a ship and shoot people.

If ONE is holding a "Lets take ITANS station" event and ITAN didn't interrupt it then I would say there is a serious problem. If non-rats are in grey holding a "Lets have a War where stuff isn't allowed(valks mainly) and call it a war" event then it only makes sense that eventually someone would show up and have a "I don't care about your stupid event" event.

If for some reason this doesn't work for you then I guess you could cry to the devs until they nerf something else some players actually enjoy having.

Almost, GFSM. Nahin attacked but did not destroy peytros during the 10 minutes prior to nation war. Peytros then proceeded to demand over 100 that Nahin be banned, to no avail. Then after peytros was destroyed during the nation war, he returned with swarms while the war was still in progress.

So the way I see it they should both be banned from NW for a bit.

Yes, grey space is dangerous. A player run event in grey space is a risk. The reason it can happen is that those who participate agree to tolerate eachother during the time surrounding the event, and they agree to enforce this toleration upon anybody who enters the vicinity. Nahin engaged in combat when he should not have, and when the rules were not enforced, peytros responded inappropriately.

These kinds of things happen. Nation war is a player run event, and as the players we have options regarding how to deal with it. We can choose to give up and no longer have nation war. We can choose to render the rules toothless, ignore peytros and Nahin's action, and continue as though nothing happened. Or we can choose to enforce our rules against both offenders, in hopes that people remember why they follow them.

Hahahaha...yeah, cause banning someone from NW is going to make them "not" mess with NW. That makes sense........

You may not start fighting until the host signals the start of the battle.

Yesss... the Nation War started 18 minutes later. It was scheduled for 21:00 GMT, but started at 20:11 GMT. Logs report pey began his whining at 19:52-19:53(?).

You are an idiot it happened 7 minutes before the scheduled start of nation war just because 18 minnutes makes you look better doesn't mean it hPpened 18 minutes before the scheduled start. Stop bein disingenuous

You are an idiot

Insulting me will not advance your argument.

Seven minutes or seventy, I don't recall anyone being in the sector. We weren't waiting for the event to start, as you posted earlier.

Quoting the first part of a paragraph out of context isn't making you look any smarter

Responding to the first part of mine is not making you look any smarter, either.

EDIT: This is getting out of hand.

editing your post to include more to it after i responded is also being disengenious douche.

I was waiting for the event to start, you said do you want to fight. I said no. you open fired on me.

the rules of nw are not enforced based on how many players are in the sector. There could be 100 players in there waiting with me it still doesn't change it.

I was waiting for the event to start, you said do you want to fight. I said no. you open fired on me.

First, when have you ever had the courtesy to even ask for a fight? You just open fire.

the rules of nw are not enforced based on how many players are in the sector. There could be 100 players in there waiting with me it still doesn't change it.

Second, is D-2 now a no-fire zone? Anyone sitting in D-2 at any time of the week could say they were waiting for Nation War. It happens every week. It could be considered before the scheduled start of the Nation War. This could easily be called a non-consentual duel. If somebody steps up and says they witnessed it, I'll quit this particular point.

editing your post to include more to it after i responded is also being ___________

Third, I edited it directly after I responded with my first statement, not after you replied. In fact, how are we to know if you didn't do the same thing to your post? We have no proof for either of our claims on this matter.

Didn't you just say this was getting out of hand?

1 two wrongs don't make a right

2 I think everyone will agree that 7 minutes before the scheduled start of nation war is an acceptable time for the rules to be enforced as players often arrive early to find a good starting sponsor take care of IRL issues. Case and plot you showed up about the same time I did.

I followed you from D-14 to shoot you and get your bounty.

two wrongs don't make a right

Define KOS.

Didn't you just say this was getting out of hand?

It is.

If I am kos then why did you ask me if I wanted to fight before nation war?

Just admit you broke a rule and move on. I have stated my case consistently this whole time and am done argueing over it

If I am kos then why did you ask me if I wanted to fight before nation war?

I gave you a chance to fight consentually. You refused. I won't give you a chance again.

Dumbasses

lock plz

Good idea, except this will undoubtedly come up again eventually.

"Hahahaha...yeah, cause banning someone from NW is going to make them "not" mess with NW. That makes sense........"

If you have a more effective way to discourage people from disrupting NW, let us hear it.

Measures can be taken to prevent individuals from participating. However if a group of people are dead-set on disrupting an event over the long term, there is not a huge amount that can be done about it.

This is why rules must be enforced fairly, without bias. If you alienate the pirates by turning a blind eye when they are wronged, they will retaliate. Peytros demonstrated that already. I did not join in because I did not feel a great enough wrong had been committed yet. However, if such actions as Nahin performed became commonplace, I would be forced to conclude that NW had become an anti-pirate event. In that case, I would no longer have an objection to crashing it as well.

This isn't about morality. It is about fairness. Nation war as it exists now can only continue existing if it treats all parties fairly. It also requires that the participants have the tolerance and self control to overlook an occasional problem without taking matters into their own hands. While I agree that repeat offenses should be dealt with using whatever means necessary, isolated instances such as what happened Sunday do not call for the disruption elicited.

IIRC people have been banned indefinitely from NW for violating the rules. It seems like a banning from events (temporary or permanent depending on the offense), despite the fact that its really not very effective, is also the only option for disciplinary action in such cases.

[EDIT] There could be security put in place, a group of people who set out to attack any banned players who turn up.