94th Nation War

As far back as at least October 2007 there was a grey team. That is nearly the entirety of my tenure here. Much as it pains me to say it, in this case peytros is indeed correct.

And I have yet to meet the SCP that won't fall to a careful and patient light pilot.

How about the SCP that gets bored to tears of your constant backing and mindless energy spamming and just leaves?

If I don't dart in every 20 seconds or so, how else am I going to coax out the precious flares? I'm personally allergic to fights that don't spend a good deal of their time within at most 150m, which is around the edge of AAP effective range. The best way to deal with a heavy is to confuse it with feints and then dart in and get behind it, landing a solid stream or two.

Unless, of course, it's driven by a backroller, in which case A/A goes off and boom goes the SCP.

You're absolutely right. I'm just saying that the best SCP pilots will rarely let you get behind them.

No one is seriously defending the Valkyrie's influence on how NW is played. So, as it is unreasonable to expect everyone to bring one, and as by not bringing one you are handicapping yourself, I'd like to try the next few NWs without them. We risk empowering NAPs too much this way, perhaps, but I think we are obliged as much as possible to keep a level playing field.

This isn't a solution to the problem. This is an ugly and hopefully temporary workaround. But the solution needs to be worked out in Suggestions not Role Playing. (Do you nerf the offender, provide equivalents to all, or design a counter?)

About SCPs: I doubt that the current crop of players has the skill or discipline to make them viable in group combat, and I'm not inclined to consider banning something that isn't a problem in practice.

I think it would be cool to see Valks and SCP banned in a NW once and a while just to see how it effects the turn-out and the results.

Another crazy idea:

Level up field by making everybody fly same ships, each war or battle with a different one (free setup).

Battle1: Buses
Battle2: Hogs
Battle3: Centaurs

This seems more fair than ban this or that ship. Level the gear, raise pilot skills.

I don't think we need to be defeatist about it. The devs have done an awesome job balancing the combat systems. Valkyries are just freaky.

Count me out for NW's anymore! This is all just retarded! You cry because you lose, but had you won you wouldn't be crying. If I spent the time to get good in a valk and thats what I want to use, I should be able to. Oh, and I see no reason why everyone is crying about the NAP thing. It didn't really work anyways cause they all decided that the grey team runners were a bunch of fags just cause they were outnumbered. You all seem to only want to play if it is in your best interest. F**k you! and F**k your stupid F**king NW. Peace! I'm out!

LOL WTF happened here?

Waffles: the discussion is still open, so feel free to add anything if you wish.

Maalik:


Also, maybe you should only allow free buses and weapons in NW cause thats like all everyone can get for sure! OR, you could hold like a NW version of the view and you guys could all sit around in a pow wow and cry about stuff you think is messed up!

I have voiced my concerns in the past, though that was many months ago. I went as far as publically stating that I would leave any team that agreed to a NAP. That isn't what NW should be about, at least not to me, and so while I cannot change how others feel about it, I can stop participating in an activity that is no longer fun and that I feel has diverged from its true purposes.

And if everyone else wants to fly around like ninnies making brief alliances for the sole purpose of uber-gankage and backstabbing, I have no problem with it. You can just do it without me from now on. You put in your time and fly the valk. I will not join a conflict that has come to require them.

EDIT: Oh, and while you might think the NAP didn't work, you also didn't face 7 or 8 valks singlemindedly trying to kill you and only you. I assure you, your NAP worked very well against the Serco team (the only team without valks).

NAPs have been in nation wars since almost the beginning.
I'm not saying they're necessarily good, but allying with other teams has been around almost forever and not a whole lot of complaint has been raised.

I don't think anyone likes NAPs, but there's no way to police it. The best way to get rid of NAPs would be to start being dishonest about them. Make a deal with a team and then attack them anyways. Or make deals with both teams. Then people will start to reconsider making deals with enemies.

I don't agree with banning a ship from the NW. But, then again, I'm not currently subbed. So do what makes people enjoy the game. Although, if valks are going to be banned, I think people will begin to find out what a playground this can be for a good group of SCPs.

Well, imo rules should allow pilots to pilot any ship, as it is atm. In the future we'll see NWs even with capships on every side.

Jmvcilus . . .

u mad, bro?

HAHAHA..I should have known that one of the best PvPers in the game right now would be a rat narc. I also like that you deleted your question asking who I was as to make it look like I just randomly trolled! Oh btw...for those of you who don't know what I'm talking about, below is the link to the post that Maalik made trying to act like not only is he Mr. Perfect, but I am this huge nasty evil guy that does this all the time and I should be the sole case for everyone to look at as far as forum trolls go! LOL! Peace! I'm out!

http://www.vendetta-online.com/x/msgboard/3/23606#293839

>_>

Ghost,Pirren: OK, but *why* do you disagree? Valkyries were banned from the Deneb Run for much the same reasons so it's not like there isn't precedent.

Jmvcilus: ok