tarenty are you Nahin? If you are, you're a moron, acting innocent like you didn't know what was going on is rediculous. The rules are posted before and before again every Nation War.

Yes, tarenty is Nahin.

Nahin: it's pretty pathetic that you consider coming on here and yelling "OMG GUYS WHY ARE YOU SO UPSET I WASN'T CHEATING" to be an apology. That is all.

LMBO,

This thread is so smelling of whining and drama queening.

I almost shared a tear...

Good job and bleed well : )

Lol, ok, so, here is the deal. Nahin WAS NOT LAGGING. I took him to 25%, I remember, because I was chasing his dumb ass and he picked the wrong time to turn around. He knows he cheated, he KNOWS IT, he INTENDED TO, and everyone who's ever been online while he's been knows he's completely full of shit pretty much of the time.

Still, it's nice to know even the lowest can continually sink to new lows.

theres never a bottom impavid, there's never a bottom.

OK. I was mostly resolved to permaban Nahin after his first post. I might as well make that final now.

Player-run events do not well survive habituation to these sorts of debasements and I cannot ward them off alone. Hopefully the other NW participants will understand and cooperate in maintaining the integrity of the event.

Peace,
Maalik

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uhm, I'm new so I'm asking: why it is not allowed to repair the ship during the fight?

Behind every rule is a reason, but I don't see a reason here o_0

Destructor, the retarded children's VO forum is over there. Are you somehow unfamiliar with the concept of a group duel? How about THUNDERDOME? Players enter the sector and only one team leaves alive: no repairing, no reloading, no excessive running (unless you're Itani).

You typed his nick wrong...

From a tactical POV, repairs would make sense, but the ramifications miht be overly complicated.

It is allowed to be repaired by other participants.
But it's not allowed to join the event while it's already going.

That's what happened here i think?
Repair person got called in during the event.
So the actual rule breaking is trying to get outside help.
If the EMS person was in the event from the beginning there'd be no issue. Course he might well have been dead by the time he was needed.
Unless rules changed while i wasn't looking?

No, the EMS arrived after the start. Not sure how much after since I was appearantly busy running, being Itani.

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Oh, this is so much garbage. A pirate griefs NW and the others slap him on the back jovially about it, but somebody else breaks a rule and they act like they're the bloody patron saints of VO? Give me a flipping break!

Nahin Lor is a hardened veteran who should have known better than to seek repair from someone who was observing and not fighting on his team. Fact. Everybody screws up, maybe he did it accidentally. Then again, maybe he did it deliberately. Regardless, he definitely shouldn't have done something like that when the victory margin is so tight.

But at least he didn't launch an effing assault on the event to try and ruin the game for all attending like a certain someone has on multiple occasions. I suggest you attempt to keep a sense of perspective here, people.

Also, watch out for the egos, and try not to get fried in the sudden blustering blasts of hot air.

First, Pey's little war on NW has nothing to do with how a lying piece of scum like Nahin should be treated--separate issues.

Second, Pey at least didn't enter into the NW event and then break its rules as a participant. You guys aren't outside normal VO play while you're having NW: Pey decided to go shoot you within the game structure intentionally created by the Devs, as is his right as a subscriber. If you don't like it, you (like everyone else) can fight back, hide, or run away--or, like a number of us did, recognize the need for new game structures to allow for an effective defense and ask the Devs to implement something.

But stop whining about "ruin[ing] the game"; that's a tired line with zero substance behind it.

You have a point; Peytros did never enter into the event in the first place. That doesn't, however, mean the people who participate in the event need to accept Peytros's actions, any more than they need to accept Nahin Lor's actions.

Whereas Peytros has demonstrated at length he cannot be trusted to abide by the rules of any event he was participating in (need I point to the hide and seek event as an example?), Nahin Lor has not yet done so. If he continues to cheat, obviously he needn't appear in the future NW's. He has not yet been given the chance to demonstrate that he cannot be trusted, however, even though he has a lengthy record of attendance during which no cheating was performed on his part.

Anyway, the rabidness of the pirate response to his actions makes it seem pretty clear to me that the rats don't really give two flying flips whether he gets a fair hearing, they seem to simply want to go after him while he is on the outs. If that isn't so, then I'm sure that he will not be banned until he has conclusively been proven to be heartily engaged in continuous cheating.

"But stop whining about "ruin[ing] the game"; that's a tired line with zero substance behind it."

Coming from someone who promised to "excise" Nahin Lor from Nation War after complaining about just such an offense, I find that to be a highly ironic statement. I might however clarify the fact that by "the game" I of course was referring to NW, not VO in general.

Mick is correct. Seeking help from a non-participant was the crime. It is also well established that damage received while lagging out is simply bad luck from which you have no recourse. It does not take much imagination to see why these rules are necessary. It is only Nahin's poisonous attitude, however, that I feel necessitates a banning. How can I trust someone who does not take ownership of their actions? If he can convince me that he is not the person he demonstrated himself to be in this thread and on chat then I will revisit his status. One can only hope that he will try.

Cheating and event-disrupting are entirely different beasts. You shouldn't be surprised that pirates, being PvPers, have no love for someone who cheats at PvP.

And for the love of God and all that is holy, don't try to turn this into a partisan thread, Shlimazel. Either repudiate the undesirable behavior or start a new thread. Do you really want to embolden Nahin and any others who might feel entitled to antisocial behavior?

This isn't an isolated incident shlim. Further, he cheated and he knows it, he lied over and over feigning confusion and lag, and as you said, he's a "hardened veteran" and knows better since he participates in almost every Nation War.

Impavid, every time I've seen him in a Nation War, he played by the rules, up to this point. That doesn't mean he didn't complain (extensively, on occasion) about losing, but he didn't actually cheat. I don't dispute the fact that his action this time was cheating; I simply don't think he deserves to be banned on the weight of one action, considering his record of fair play. If he continued to cheat, it would clearly indicate he would not be a good person to be allowed to continue to attend, and that would be that.

I appreciate your taking the time to comment on the matter and explain your reasons for banning, Pointsman. I'm not sure how you mean poisonous attitude; are you simply referring to his claim he didn't realize it was against the rules and such? Judging solely by his responses to this topic, I personally wouldn't say his remarks necessitated banning, but perhaps he made some statements in game which affect your decision more significantly than those do.

I was stating the observation that individuals belonging to the pirate community seemed to be engaged in rather hostile attacks against Nahin Lor, and didn't seem to be interested in seeking a fair resolution of this matter. Accusations of partisanship are rather missing the point. I'll leave your question regarding anti-social people alone, as I suspect there are many definitions of anti-social.

Only by chance, several minutes after Nahin asked for the repair from Ninjr did I get enough information to realize that Nahin had been repaired illegitimately. The other two surviving UIT team members either didn't notice or (more likely) didn't care that Nahin cheated. It is possible that the two surviving Itani would never have caught on. The several observers also failed to cry foul.

It is impossible to know whether or not Nahin cheated in past NWs. But it is not to punish Nahin but to protect the event that he is now banned; the event relies on its participants to behave responsibly as there is too much going on to track everyone. Nahin's ludicrous denials and excuses obliterated his trustworthiness to me. Am I mistaken about this?

[edit] yah, i like the pic too, tosh.[/edit]

nice pict toshiro
do ye have one with a pony? : )