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HAWK is guild that has garnered much infamy in its short time.
Mostly found in grey space it has many elements. The guild itself seems to formed of traders, miners, and mercenaries. Lead by the already notorious and outspoken peytros, it also has a few long time grey spacers, and some new faces. The two lieutenants of guild are a good example of the newer spacers. ModusOperondi is a miner, and Dameos is a trader.
Because of peytros's notoriety the guild when formed already had a few K.O.S.'s (Kill on Sight) issued against it, though the guild itself had not yet done anything. Though mostly these seemed to just personal vendettas against peytros that were carried over to the guild. At present it has been confirmed that HAWK is at war with PA (Phoenix Alliance) and TGFT (The Guild of Free Traders). Because it operates in grey outside the rules of the nations, VPR (The Vipers) also have taken shots at passing HAWK members, though it is unconfirmed whether this of a personal or guild standard.
Mostly found in grey space it has many elements. The guild itself seems to formed of traders, miners, and mercenaries. Lead by the already notorious and outspoken peytros, it also has a few long time grey spacers, and some new faces. The two lieutenants of guild are a good example of the newer spacers. ModusOperondi is a miner, and Dameos is a trader.
Because of peytros's notoriety the guild when formed already had a few K.O.S.'s (Kill on Sight) issued against it, though the guild itself had not yet done anything. Though mostly these seemed to just personal vendettas against peytros that were carried over to the guild. At present it has been confirmed that HAWK is at war with PA (Phoenix Alliance) and TGFT (The Guild of Free Traders). Because it operates in grey outside the rules of the nations, VPR (The Vipers) also have taken shots at passing HAWK members, though it is unconfirmed whether this of a personal or guild standard.
Due to the ongoing war with TGFT, HAWK launched a raid today on the TGFT sponsored event Nation Wars. This caused much confusion at the event and many casualties were reported, though whether from the event itself or from the raid is unknown.
Don't be so childish. You insulted the whole VO community. The NW is not a TGFT event, it is a player sponsored event.
So, I as a player , will personally reimburse any players reasonable repair and reloading costs incurred in taking action against your guild.
Ecka
So, I as a player , will personally reimburse any players reasonable repair and reloading costs incurred in taking action against your guild.
Ecka
According to this it is a TGFT event. Why would you(TGFT) need to apologize otherwise. And as commander of TGFT if you sponsor it, it is a TGFT sponsor.
http://www.vendetta-online.com/x/msgboard/7/21277#263225
http://www.vendetta-online.com/x/msgboard/7/21277#263225
Ecka sponsors it, several other members from TGFT personally sponsor it, and even more players sponsor it.
I would have to say it is more of a player base sponsored event than any guild's event.
I would have to say it is more of a player base sponsored event than any guild's event.
I was running NWs long before I was commander of TGFT. As I said it is a player run and player sponsored event. By spoiling it you are not attacking TGFT , you are insulting the entire community . It seems entirely reasonable that the entire community should take action against you.
Ecka's right, you've done nothing but harass the community. We put a lot of effort into NWs, and you ruin it. People enjoy the NW a lot, but they don't enjoy you. You're the one that needs to apologize.
Wake up. This is beyond role playing. The guild is loaded with arrogance and ignorance. You're not feared, you're mocked and you embarrass yourselves. You're not infamous, you're just annoying and you will be forgotten in short time. If you think you're the first group to take this approach to vendetta, you've got a lot to learn. I've seen countless people just like peytros and countless guilds just like HAWK come and go and honestly, I don't think I remember the name of more than one. Grow up or get lost. Either way, I'm not wasting any more of my time with you and I would encourage the rest of Vendetta to do the same.
What I find interesting, is how you take sanctuary in the fact that you and tgft run nw before, and it somehow justifies anything you do and that it is by your rules and your own personal concern it operates....now when it's disrupted suddenly it's not your problem anymore, tgft doesn't run it, but the community does (now apparently according to you) but everybody else's problem now...
As I said in another post ( http://www.vendetta-online.com/x/msgboard/7/21277#263248 ), members of a guild are held responsible for the actions of their commander. If they do not wish to be held accountable for said actions, it is their prerogative (or rather, their duty) to leave the guild.
Why "traders, miners, and mercenaries" would wish to join a guild led by a self-proclaimed griefer and pirate is beyond reason.
If you wish to stay in HAWK but no longer wish to be considered hostile, tell your Council members to expel peytros from the guild. It's as simple as that.
Take responsibility for what you sign up for, and stop whining.
Why "traders, miners, and mercenaries" would wish to join a guild led by a self-proclaimed griefer and pirate is beyond reason.
If you wish to stay in HAWK but no longer wish to be considered hostile, tell your Council members to expel peytros from the guild. It's as simple as that.
Take responsibility for what you sign up for, and stop whining.
Mecha, I dont know about you, but I've never seen Ecka trying to gain anything from running the event. Last I saw, he was giving out ~20mil each time.
Seriously...its the problem of everyone who enjoys the NW.
Also, what if its not their problem? You mean only tgft should try to solve it? A problem involving an event that's enjoyed by most of the player base?
I enjoyed the NW, and if there was anything I could do to help keep the NW going (other than sponsoring since Im a cheap bastard), I'd gladly do it.
Seriously...its the problem of everyone who enjoys the NW.
Also, what if its not their problem? You mean only tgft should try to solve it? A problem involving an event that's enjoyed by most of the player base?
I enjoyed the NW, and if there was anything I could do to help keep the NW going (other than sponsoring since Im a cheap bastard), I'd gladly do it.
I'm repeating what ecka has told me many times to justify himself in any argument we have, it makes him better than us.
Arolte resurrected?
Not that I'm condoning what peytros did though, I mean I really despise ecka and tgft, but i wouldn't ruin a event for *everyone* just to get at him and his guild heh...very stupid way of going about it but at the same time, not much can be done.
Can someone lock this topic before I go off on some idiots and say stuff that I should not be saying?
Basically, Ecka and TGFT run nationwar because we want to. TGFT funds go towards the running costs of NW, and speaking only for myself I contribute way more to TGFT funds than the guild rules say I must, simply to keep NW adequately funded. I do it because I enjoy the fight, even though it is rare indeed that I live through the fight.
And now, HAWK have decided to disrupt the event by breaking the rules; the rules which only exist because swarms and lmines lag a sector so badly, and running away to repair turns a tournament into an ongoing death-march. The rules are there to make it a fair fight, decided on skill and prowess, the reward is there as the prize. NW is designed to be fun, and then peytros and his guild of griefing simpletons decided to ruin it for everyone.
So to them I say this: by all means run blockades. By all means be greyspace pirates, playerkillers and all-round lowlives and scum; greyspace exists to be a sink of idiocy and depraved luserishness and the great rewards for trading there reflect this. By all means pirate traders in grey; goodness only knows this game actually needs pirates operating in grey to keep that raw, nerve-jangling edge and to make money worth the earning.
But do not go all out to take on the entire playerbase and the developers all because you can't work out why a trading and mining guild is rich, and can't work out what your place in the VO universe is and have to resort to extortion to try to make money. I can tell you this: TGFT ain't going to pay extortion money. You want to try that game, say farewell to nationwars and watch as the entire playerbase curses your name for the moron you undoubtedly are, for you'll have spoiled a lot of fun for no gain for yourself or anyone.
And now, HAWK have decided to disrupt the event by breaking the rules; the rules which only exist because swarms and lmines lag a sector so badly, and running away to repair turns a tournament into an ongoing death-march. The rules are there to make it a fair fight, decided on skill and prowess, the reward is there as the prize. NW is designed to be fun, and then peytros and his guild of griefing simpletons decided to ruin it for everyone.
So to them I say this: by all means run blockades. By all means be greyspace pirates, playerkillers and all-round lowlives and scum; greyspace exists to be a sink of idiocy and depraved luserishness and the great rewards for trading there reflect this. By all means pirate traders in grey; goodness only knows this game actually needs pirates operating in grey to keep that raw, nerve-jangling edge and to make money worth the earning.
But do not go all out to take on the entire playerbase and the developers all because you can't work out why a trading and mining guild is rich, and can't work out what your place in the VO universe is and have to resort to extortion to try to make money. I can tell you this: TGFT ain't going to pay extortion money. You want to try that game, say farewell to nationwars and watch as the entire playerbase curses your name for the moron you undoubtedly are, for you'll have spoiled a lot of fun for no gain for yourself or anyone.
The "rules" don't warrant any special protection for some individuals guild or event. If the nation war was by some unlucky chance GS-supported, then these sorts of actions would be either supported or made impossible in the sectors involved with the event.
You might, however, notice that this is not the case. To me, this says that the developers would rather have the game as a whole be a fair fight, not just some stupid event less than half the player base takes part in. This, of course, means that rather than taking on "the entire playerbase and the developers" this newbface is only taking on a small subset of the playerbase, and doing exactly what the developers intended: shooting easy targets congregating in unprotected space.
Now, I know this comes as a shock to many of you, but the TGFT is not special. The developers aren't going to bend over backwards for them.
Neither is the nation war. I'm sure they realize that a lot of people have fun at it, but I'm also sure that they realize that if the game allows it, then it will be done, which means that a bunch of newbs griefing the fuck out of a bunch of other newbs is something that they support.
So really, peytros is going up against a small group of irritating newbs while the small group of irritating newbs is going up against the developers.
You might, however, notice that this is not the case. To me, this says that the developers would rather have the game as a whole be a fair fight, not just some stupid event less than half the player base takes part in. This, of course, means that rather than taking on "the entire playerbase and the developers" this newbface is only taking on a small subset of the playerbase, and doing exactly what the developers intended: shooting easy targets congregating in unprotected space.
Now, I know this comes as a shock to many of you, but the TGFT is not special. The developers aren't going to bend over backwards for them.
Neither is the nation war. I'm sure they realize that a lot of people have fun at it, but I'm also sure that they realize that if the game allows it, then it will be done, which means that a bunch of newbs griefing the fuck out of a bunch of other newbs is something that they support.
So really, peytros is going up against a small group of irritating newbs while the small group of irritating newbs is going up against the developers.
Can someone get blacknet his meds? Locking threads because he can't keep himself together is hardly a solution. Maybe you should take the advice you gave me earlier, blacknet.
And in this odd instance, genka has the best analysis of the situation. If you don't like HAWK's actions, deal with them however you can. But STFU about it already.
And in this odd instance, genka has the best analysis of the situation. If you don't like HAWK's actions, deal with them however you can. But STFU about it already.
I oddly find my self agreeing with Dr. Lecter on most of his points.
Let's cut the drama and deal with it the way you think it should be dealt with, whether that be having a polite discussion to settle it or all-out war... that's up to you. But complaining on the message board isn't going to do anything but give HAWK a sense of satisfaction and will just fuel them to continue their behavior.
I kind of like the realism that this event adds to the game. This IS an RPG and in the real world, there are people that have their own objectives and they don't care whether it is "insulting to the community" or if is inconvenient to the masses. They will do whatever it takes to complete their objective. Terrorist attacks are a good example. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not comparing the seriousness of terrorist attacks to disrupting the NW. Best of luck to all of you in figuring this mess out, but please just remember it is only a game and instead of this being a negative thing, think of it as a challenge and have fun with it :)
Let's cut the drama and deal with it the way you think it should be dealt with, whether that be having a polite discussion to settle it or all-out war... that's up to you. But complaining on the message board isn't going to do anything but give HAWK a sense of satisfaction and will just fuel them to continue their behavior.
I kind of like the realism that this event adds to the game. This IS an RPG and in the real world, there are people that have their own objectives and they don't care whether it is "insulting to the community" or if is inconvenient to the masses. They will do whatever it takes to complete their objective. Terrorist attacks are a good example. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not comparing the seriousness of terrorist attacks to disrupting the NW. Best of luck to all of you in figuring this mess out, but please just remember it is only a game and instead of this being a negative thing, think of it as a challenge and have fun with it :)
Why does this thread even exist? I don't see a TGFT Public Info thread or a PA Public info thread, etc... it's pointless really