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I did not start any wars. All wars are a result of agresion against me, whether the other party chooses to call it a war or not.
there is no record of testimony against me, and i demand that all charge against me be dropped, due to lack of evidence.
Judge Roda Slane
there is no record of testimony against me, and i demand that all charge against me be dropped, due to lack of evidence.
Judge Roda Slane
You forgot to put a good word in for me...
I destroyed lebermac who attempted to show off to the reporter, and rather than leave her stasis pod in a war sector to possibly be destroyed due to the battle, I recovered her and kept her safe from harm. CNN rewarded me for returning her, I did NOT use the word ransom or give CNN the impression I was going to harm or keep her.
I destroyed lebermac who attempted to show off to the reporter, and rather than leave her stasis pod in a war sector to possibly be destroyed due to the battle, I recovered her and kept her safe from harm. CNN rewarded me for returning her, I did NOT use the word ransom or give CNN the impression I was going to harm or keep her.
"Koshuni was embedded with ITAN Lt. Lebermac on a ride-along to report on the supposed strength and skill of ITAN's forces. Lebermac was reportedly drunk and was easily dispatched by Mecha Touriaus, a mercenary that operates on the border. Koshuni's stasis pod was picked up by Mecha and held for ransom. Adding insult to injury, ITAN's finances are apparently so tapped out from Lebermac's excesses that they could not afford the ransom. (CNN has since recovered Koshuni, and billed ITAN for the cost)"
regarding the case of supreme court vs judge mecha touriaus, the charge of kidnapping requires evidence that the defendant held a party against thier will. so far, the evidence indicating a kidnapping is hearsay, inconclusive, or can not be verified by a judge. i find evidence that the defendant did attempt to extort an itani guild, but since this is a known and preexisting conflict, with the posablility of being subject to the law of mutual combat, i question the illegality of it. i have as of yet, found little evidence suitable for presetantion to a jurist.
Judge Roda Slane
Judge Roda Slane
Regarding the case of supreme court vs judge mecha touriaus;
Let us examine the evidence of actual exceptional loss in this case .
ITAN suffered a loss of prestige , but no financial loss as a result of these events. The loss of ships and equipment is an ongoing expense for guilds operating in a war zone and may not be regarded as exceptional.
CNN paid the fee required by mecha touriaus for the safe return of Koshuni, however should this fee be regarded as an exceptional loss for a major news network ? Given the huge syndication of this story and the ongoing media rights I expect that the recovery fee will be more than recouped by CNN. I note that the fee would be regarded as an operational cost and is therefore Tax deductable. Thus I conclude that CNN suffered no exceptional loss .
Koshuni herself , whilst being inconvinienced for a while , suffered no long term harm , no financial loss, and therefore no exceptional loss for a reporter working in a war zone.
I therefore conclude that on the basis of Loss there is no case to answer.
Judge Ecka Estenk
Let us examine the evidence of actual exceptional loss in this case .
ITAN suffered a loss of prestige , but no financial loss as a result of these events. The loss of ships and equipment is an ongoing expense for guilds operating in a war zone and may not be regarded as exceptional.
CNN paid the fee required by mecha touriaus for the safe return of Koshuni, however should this fee be regarded as an exceptional loss for a major news network ? Given the huge syndication of this story and the ongoing media rights I expect that the recovery fee will be more than recouped by CNN. I note that the fee would be regarded as an operational cost and is therefore Tax deductable. Thus I conclude that CNN suffered no exceptional loss .
Koshuni herself , whilst being inconvinienced for a while , suffered no long term harm , no financial loss, and therefore no exceptional loss for a reporter working in a war zone.
I therefore conclude that on the basis of Loss there is no case to answer.
Judge Ecka Estenk
Supreme Court vs. Judge Roda Slane
Charges: Abuse of power, war mongering, conduct unbecoming a judge.
The ongoing hostilities between certain Guilds and Roda Slane is a matter of common knowledge to both the Guilds involved and the galactic community at large
Of the three charges :
Abuse of power: Roda Slane has no special or particlar powers above those of any other pilot in space.
war mongering: Roda slane has declared hostilities against certain guilds as a result of attacks by specific guild members . I see this as no different from the declared hostilities between other Guilds or indeed nations.
conduct unbecoming a judge; A Judge has the right to conduct hostilities as he sees fit , particulary in the unmonitored areas of space .
In conclusion I suggest that the Guilds involved either negociate an end to hostilities or conduct their operations so as to negate any hostile threat . I conclude that this is a matter for the parties involved and not a case for the Court
Judge Ecka Estenk.
Charges: Abuse of power, war mongering, conduct unbecoming a judge.
The ongoing hostilities between certain Guilds and Roda Slane is a matter of common knowledge to both the Guilds involved and the galactic community at large
Of the three charges :
Abuse of power: Roda Slane has no special or particlar powers above those of any other pilot in space.
war mongering: Roda slane has declared hostilities against certain guilds as a result of attacks by specific guild members . I see this as no different from the declared hostilities between other Guilds or indeed nations.
conduct unbecoming a judge; A Judge has the right to conduct hostilities as he sees fit , particulary in the unmonitored areas of space .
In conclusion I suggest that the Guilds involved either negociate an end to hostilities or conduct their operations so as to negate any hostile threat . I conclude that this is a matter for the parties involved and not a case for the Court
Judge Ecka Estenk.
I move to dismiss all of Roda's charges. All charges lack evidence and reason. Case shouldn't proceed to trial.
The judges are not performing their duties, as could have been foreseen. They make statements for and against the guiltiness of others, including themselves, which is fair if they are accused, an accused's attorney or the state's, but not if they are judges.
I claim that any and all decisions reached by this court are null and void on the grounds of the judges' bias.
If I were a malignant being, I would say the body who appointed the judges to their positions was intently creating this situation...
-- mifune toshiro kanchou
I claim that any and all decisions reached by this court are null and void on the grounds of the judges' bias.
If I were a malignant being, I would say the body who appointed the judges to their positions was intently creating this situation...
-- mifune toshiro kanchou
I currently stand mute on any and all proceedings. It seems to be the best thing I can do at the moment with this office that was... thrust upon me.
toshiro,
Thank you for your interest in justice.
Your accusations and objections appear to be multipart. If I may attempt to address each separately.
To the accusation that the judges are not performing their duties: I summit to you, that this position has far more duties than i was originally informed of, appearing to now encompass investigation, prosecution, summation, judgment, sentencing, and execution. naturally, a focus must be made on immediate priorities. If you believe there to be misunderstanding or misjudgment of what those priorities should be, please attempt to provide more specific information. You have indeed included some specifics beyond this generalization, and i will proceed.
We do indeed make arguments of guilt, in effect having to provide prosecution. It would appear that we have a shortage of prosecutors. It would be nice if i could simply sit back and listen to the arguments of others, and then simple say my piece at the end, and if such an opportunity is presented, i may well avail myself of it. However, it would appear that we are expected to fulfill whatever role is necessary to present some form of process in the interest of justice.
It is expected that a defendant will make an argument in their own defense. If I have inappropriately presented my argument in my own defense as anything other than that, please advise me how to correct the misunderstanding. I did not intent to submit any binding opinion or ruling in the case against me.
additionally, I would like to point out, that we can not allow a judge to stand aside at every sign of bias. In my own trial, I could very well have cleared the bench of all judges on that bases alone (there seaming to be somewhat widespread bias against me for some reason). We simply can not afford the luxuries of a massively populated court system at this point and time, and judges will simply have to do their best under the circumstances.
I would have to agree with you that the party to propose these appointments is indeed suspect. However, I do not see how i can grant them any less access than i would any other interested party. If you had brought these very same charges before me, i would be just as obligated to hear them.
I again thank you for your interest in the process of justice, and hope you will be patient with our limited resources and time. I look forward to any additional contributions of value you see fit to provide.
Judge Roda Slane
Thank you for your interest in justice.
Your accusations and objections appear to be multipart. If I may attempt to address each separately.
To the accusation that the judges are not performing their duties: I summit to you, that this position has far more duties than i was originally informed of, appearing to now encompass investigation, prosecution, summation, judgment, sentencing, and execution. naturally, a focus must be made on immediate priorities. If you believe there to be misunderstanding or misjudgment of what those priorities should be, please attempt to provide more specific information. You have indeed included some specifics beyond this generalization, and i will proceed.
We do indeed make arguments of guilt, in effect having to provide prosecution. It would appear that we have a shortage of prosecutors. It would be nice if i could simply sit back and listen to the arguments of others, and then simple say my piece at the end, and if such an opportunity is presented, i may well avail myself of it. However, it would appear that we are expected to fulfill whatever role is necessary to present some form of process in the interest of justice.
It is expected that a defendant will make an argument in their own defense. If I have inappropriately presented my argument in my own defense as anything other than that, please advise me how to correct the misunderstanding. I did not intent to submit any binding opinion or ruling in the case against me.
additionally, I would like to point out, that we can not allow a judge to stand aside at every sign of bias. In my own trial, I could very well have cleared the bench of all judges on that bases alone (there seaming to be somewhat widespread bias against me for some reason). We simply can not afford the luxuries of a massively populated court system at this point and time, and judges will simply have to do their best under the circumstances.
I would have to agree with you that the party to propose these appointments is indeed suspect. However, I do not see how i can grant them any less access than i would any other interested party. If you had brought these very same charges before me, i would be just as obligated to hear them.
I again thank you for your interest in the process of justice, and hope you will be patient with our limited resources and time. I look forward to any additional contributions of value you see fit to provide.
Judge Roda Slane
Judge Ghost,
advise me of any means by which i may assist you, and please accept my apologizes for not having offered sooner.
Judge Roda Slane
advise me of any means by which i may assist you, and please accept my apologizes for not having offered sooner.
Judge Roda Slane
I agree with the observations on the court system made by Roda Slane in the above post . As Judges all we can do is base our conclusions on the evidence of our own experiences in space .
Should any party wish to appeal those decisions they should come forward with documentary evidence .
Judge Ecka Estenk
OOC:
It may well be that the original post was mischievous, however this is a Role Playing forum . As such I feel that we judges have entered into the spirit of the roles placed upon us and provided as unbiased an assessment as possible.
Should any party wish to appeal those decisions they should come forward with documentary evidence .
Judge Ecka Estenk
OOC:
It may well be that the original post was mischievous, however this is a Role Playing forum . As such I feel that we judges have entered into the spirit of the roles placed upon us and provided as unbiased an assessment as possible.
As far as I know, the intention of a separation of powers (that which gives a judicative system reason to exist in the first place) is to do just that, separate powers.
If a judge is at the same time supposed to fill all the roles you mentioned, Roda, adding to that being accused her- or himself, s/he has a conflict of interest:
As a prosecutor, s/he should strive to reach the highest sentence possible for the accused.
As a judge, the goal should be to find the ideal balance, to judge the facts presented, as well as the arguments, to reach a decision on a verdict.
As an executor, it matters not why or how the condemned had gotten into that state, the idea is to carry out the punishment, ideally requiring a total disengagement from the question of guilty-or-innocent.
I'll refrain from stating what the defendant's or the appointed attorney's goals should be, as they should be quite clear.
If you accept the roles thrust on you, you accept the consequences arising from that choice. If you were forced to preside as a judge, you could have made it public, thereby exposing the threat and effectively nullifying it.
-- mifune toshiro kanchou
OOC: I full well know this is a role-playing forum. It's why I was signing my posts with mifune toshiro kanchou. toshiro is what you would call 'lawful neutral' in a D&D setting, so the tone and conduct of my posts is well within character boundaries, I should think :)
The comment on the original post was within character, as well.
If a judge is at the same time supposed to fill all the roles you mentioned, Roda, adding to that being accused her- or himself, s/he has a conflict of interest:
As a prosecutor, s/he should strive to reach the highest sentence possible for the accused.
As a judge, the goal should be to find the ideal balance, to judge the facts presented, as well as the arguments, to reach a decision on a verdict.
As an executor, it matters not why or how the condemned had gotten into that state, the idea is to carry out the punishment, ideally requiring a total disengagement from the question of guilty-or-innocent.
I'll refrain from stating what the defendant's or the appointed attorney's goals should be, as they should be quite clear.
If you accept the roles thrust on you, you accept the consequences arising from that choice. If you were forced to preside as a judge, you could have made it public, thereby exposing the threat and effectively nullifying it.
-- mifune toshiro kanchou
OOC: I full well know this is a role-playing forum. It's why I was signing my posts with mifune toshiro kanchou. toshiro is what you would call 'lawful neutral' in a D&D setting, so the tone and conduct of my posts is well within character boundaries, I should think :)
The comment on the original post was within character, as well.
/me surveys the thread...
What. A. Cluster-Fuck.
What. A. Cluster-Fuck.
Toshiro,
You may well be accustomed to such luxuries and ideal systems planet side. But we here in the depths and far reaches of space are often force to settle for far less. Traders often have provide their own defense against pirates, rogue bots, and all manner of other threat. Many pilots have to take time to defend their national borders, in addition to their normal duties. Many a pilot is forced to settle for justice by their own hand, or no justice at all. Your idealizations appear to completely beyond our meager and limited means.
Judge Roda Slane
You may well be accustomed to such luxuries and ideal systems planet side. But we here in the depths and far reaches of space are often force to settle for far less. Traders often have provide their own defense against pirates, rogue bots, and all manner of other threat. Many pilots have to take time to defend their national borders, in addition to their normal duties. Many a pilot is forced to settle for justice by their own hand, or no justice at all. Your idealizations appear to completely beyond our meager and limited means.
Judge Roda Slane
The most amiable Dr. Lecter put it rather well, I think.
That said, I am perfectly aware of the limitations of outer space. However, since you have the leisure to investigate, prosecute and condemn, you should have the leisure to allow for a true judicative system to form.
That said, I am perfectly aware of the limitations of outer space. However, since you have the leisure to investigate, prosecute and condemn, you should have the leisure to allow for a true judicative system to form.
snot nosed.. where the bloody hell is my bourbon...MIFUNE TOSHIRO KANCHOU! SINCE YOU ARE SO BLOODY CONCERNED WITH THE PERFECTION AND INTEREST OF A... where the bloody hell is that message... a TRUE JUDICATIVE SYSTEM, I JUDGE RODA SLANE, BY THE POWER INVESTED IN ME BY... bloody hell... BY MY AXIA ACCELERATED POSITRON, DO HEREBY APPOINT YOU, MIFUNE TOSHIRO KANCHOU, TO THE POSITION OF CHIEF ARCHITECT OF ...bloody hell... A TRUE JUDICATIVE SYSTEM! MAY THE GODS HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SOUL!
point taken .. and since we have no power to enforce anything I'm off to have a chat with my pet Helio/pyronic roid ... we had a shot at it and despite our genuine efforts it all fell to bits .... oh well...
ecka
ecka
I look forward to receiving confirmation from SkyCommand that these Itani have legitimate jurisdiction over anything - that and the announcement that Valks will only fire snowballs for a day.
"snot nosed"
Cyborgs have no need for snot.
Cyborgs have no need for snot.