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Do you think I suggest simply to attack at wanton and random, Tumble? No, I say we organize assaults at the respective strongholds of you pirates, not just grey in general. To present the notice of eviction on your very doorstep, and have a strong arm to enforce it.
Careful consideration must be taken to properly delegate responsibility between defense and offense, but indeed the best defensive move is a successful offensive.
The goal is not just to evict you pirates from grey, but from Union Territory as a whole. You damnable vultures have no place here. You ought move to exploit the war, where your carrion nature is brought to full light and the rest of the universe starts paying attention to your foul deeds.
Perhaps then the message will become clear to you:
Abandon piracy, or perish in the tribulations to come.
Careful consideration must be taken to properly delegate responsibility between defense and offense, but indeed the best defensive move is a successful offensive.
The goal is not just to evict you pirates from grey, but from Union Territory as a whole. You damnable vultures have no place here. You ought move to exploit the war, where your carrion nature is brought to full light and the rest of the universe starts paying attention to your foul deeds.
Perhaps then the message will become clear to you:
Abandon piracy, or perish in the tribulations to come.
Whatever, dude. Kill me in the wrong place and you'll be facing a lifetime O' the Strike Force.
The equation works both ways, Lecter.
Yeah, but we DON'T care about the lifetime of strikeforce! I'm already a wanted felon in UIT space! They can't catch me, what makes you think you can?!
*reads, muses and contemplates certain posts, then reconsiders...nah I like piracy thanks :)
Consider, that any place that firing on you would tank our standing, your firing on us would do the same for you. And once the strike forces are after you, incompetent as they are, we may hunt you with impunity.
And so you would seek to prey on those of the least consequence, but those of greater threat should indeed seek to place themselves between you and your meddling.
The strike forces may be of little importance to you, but we can be. When you face not one but the many, your only discourse is surrender, else your own destruction.
It is not a matter of convincing you not to like piracy, but instead to eliminate the option.
And so you would seek to prey on those of the least consequence, but those of greater threat should indeed seek to place themselves between you and your meddling.
The strike forces may be of little importance to you, but we can be. When you face not one but the many, your only discourse is surrender, else your own destruction.
It is not a matter of convincing you not to like piracy, but instead to eliminate the option.
You're completely out of you gord! I love it! Next tell me about the bunnies!!
*sigh*
Do not presume that I am so naïve to believe that you would back down at words alone. Indeed, I am no more inclined to back down than you are.
Fortunately for my purposes, however, my intent here is not to make you back down, but instead to incite dissent against you. Be it one soul or a hundred who is persuaded to take up arms against you, my purposes are served.
Say what you will, but I know that in your black hearts that you fear such an uprising against you. You may perhaps pass off my speeches as the ramblings of a madman, or delude yourselves into believing that what I suggest is an impossibility. But yet, you know that what I say is at least in part true. Your very means of living would be crushed irrevocably before such a unified front.
It is a sad truth that piracy will always endure in some form, but it is the duty of those sworn against you to ensure that such a continued existence is not a merry one.
And so I shall continue to berate you, so long as you have the gall to reply.
Do not presume that I am so naïve to believe that you would back down at words alone. Indeed, I am no more inclined to back down than you are.
Fortunately for my purposes, however, my intent here is not to make you back down, but instead to incite dissent against you. Be it one soul or a hundred who is persuaded to take up arms against you, my purposes are served.
Say what you will, but I know that in your black hearts that you fear such an uprising against you. You may perhaps pass off my speeches as the ramblings of a madman, or delude yourselves into believing that what I suggest is an impossibility. But yet, you know that what I say is at least in part true. Your very means of living would be crushed irrevocably before such a unified front.
It is a sad truth that piracy will always endure in some form, but it is the duty of those sworn against you to ensure that such a continued existence is not a merry one.
And so I shall continue to berate you, so long as you have the gall to reply.
vIsitor needs a lesson on guerrilla vs conventional warfare... Or he could just take a look at the current Iraq situation. Basically, a "united front" is ineffectual against an enemy that doesn't sit still for it.
To quote a famous fighter of the past: "Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. Your hands can't hit what your eyes can't see."
To quote a famous fighter of the past: "Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. Your hands can't hit what your eyes can't see."
ooc: He isn't the only one who needs a lesson. Guerilla warfare does not always trump conventional. Only when the local population favors the guerillas does it have a chance, and even then it requires that the conventional force avoids harming the locals. Remove one or both of these two factors and even guerillas are doomed. Imagine, just for a moment, how you would manage to make money in vo if every station had a dozen players waiting to kill you, and every wormhole had two dozen?
I do not argue that VO has the player-base to make this a reality, because it does not. I do however suggest that you at least humor the thought of such a possibility in the distant future.
Iraq and your so called 'lessons' do not apply to our situation, because in the realm of this game you DO have to spawn at a station and there ARE a limited number of stations. It is just a math problem in the end.
I do not argue that VO has the player-base to make this a reality, because it does not. I do however suggest that you at least humor the thought of such a possibility in the distant future.
Iraq and your so called 'lessons' do not apply to our situation, because in the realm of this game you DO have to spawn at a station and there ARE a limited number of stations. It is just a math problem in the end.
"Go for the eyes, Boo! The EYES!"
LMAO. I just figured out where that came from.
TRUST me folks, Lecter REALLY does not want to lose his character's standing with the various grayspace orgs (*cough* Axia *cough*) so, if you want to combat the n00blet-killaz, just follow them home with some disposable characters and slay away. He's got WAY more to lose than your throwaway alts.
Unless, he's on a killing spree with an ALT of his own.. Genius! *clink*
Hahaha. I love testing game limits. Go get 'em, Lectersarus and TumbleClaus!
P.S. tumbly you owe me 85% of your take after you take 85% as is your due as emperor of the galaxy. Make those nooblets work 70% more than possible!
LMAO. I just figured out where that came from.
TRUST me folks, Lecter REALLY does not want to lose his character's standing with the various grayspace orgs (*cough* Axia *cough*) so, if you want to combat the n00blet-killaz, just follow them home with some disposable characters and slay away. He's got WAY more to lose than your throwaway alts.
Unless, he's on a killing spree with an ALT of his own.. Genius! *clink*
Hahaha. I love testing game limits. Go get 'em, Lectersarus and TumbleClaus!
P.S. tumbly you owe me 85% of your take after you take 85% as is your due as emperor of the galaxy. Make those nooblets work 70% more than possible!
I've already trashed about half of my Gray Corps standings, including TPG. I have a 'no kill' policy around the others, maintaining 'em in the +990's.
But you trader swine don't want to be KOS anywhere! I've already marked out my hunting grounds and my home: until you commit to do the same, there will be nothing you can do but pray for a strong [VPR] response.
But you trader swine don't want to be KOS anywhere! I've already marked out my hunting grounds and my home: until you commit to do the same, there will be nothing you can do but pray for a strong [VPR] response.
Aramarth... even with 300 active players... let's say 50% actively against... there'd still be very little difficulty... SF are far far better at intercepting then most players (NOT better at killing you once they've intercepted... just better at getting to you), most players couldn't even begin to blockade anything... and the few that can? They're mostly on the piratey side. :P
And the local population not supporting you has very little to do with success of a guerrilla force in real life either... study up sometime. Methinks you are swallowing the US military's current line on anti-insurgency tactics. Fact is they were/are doing just fine even in areas where they don't have support. However, Iraq IS a bad example, for reasons I leave you to discover. (Gotta stretch that brain a bit... brain-atrophy bad.)
Oh yeah... and it is a math problem (isn't everything?) but it's a hell-of-alot more complex than you think.
EDIT: And if you could make it the way you describe... wonderful. I'd love having to bust blockades at EVERY wormhole and station.
But you're living in a fantasy land... We have much more support among the "locals" then you think. Most players realize pirates add to the game, and so would perhaps join your gank squads temporarily but would have no incentive to keep supporting your side. In the end... your "united front" would crumble... and we'd still be there.
We have a huge advantage over most guerrillas also... we don't have to hold ANY territory. And, you can't kill us. Bottom line is... you can't win. And we don't have to.
So ummm... You are just as much an idiot as every anti-pirate posting in this thread... None of you understand the game, clearly.
And the local population not supporting you has very little to do with success of a guerrilla force in real life either... study up sometime. Methinks you are swallowing the US military's current line on anti-insurgency tactics. Fact is they were/are doing just fine even in areas where they don't have support. However, Iraq IS a bad example, for reasons I leave you to discover. (Gotta stretch that brain a bit... brain-atrophy bad.)
Oh yeah... and it is a math problem (isn't everything?) but it's a hell-of-alot more complex than you think.
EDIT: And if you could make it the way you describe... wonderful. I'd love having to bust blockades at EVERY wormhole and station.
But you're living in a fantasy land... We have much more support among the "locals" then you think. Most players realize pirates add to the game, and so would perhaps join your gank squads temporarily but would have no incentive to keep supporting your side. In the end... your "united front" would crumble... and we'd still be there.
We have a huge advantage over most guerrillas also... we don't have to hold ANY territory. And, you can't kill us. Bottom line is... you can't win. And we don't have to.
So ummm... You are just as much an idiot as every anti-pirate posting in this thread... None of you understand the game, clearly.
And... I've already spent more time with this thread than it ever deserved... so this'll be my last post on this topic. (Unless somebody comes up with something really really motherfucking clever.) ;)
"There's a fine line between clever and stupid."
As long as the standings don't balance out, ie good Corvus = bad Corp standing, the locals DO support the pirates, by their inaction. Harboring the enemy, supplying them, feeding them, almost as bad as being the guy yourself.
While UIT and TPG (not sure about that last one) may well be the anti-Corvus re: standing... that isn't true of other unaligned corps. They aren't all squeaky clean little UIT underlings.
Never mind that I said very specifically in my post to look somewhere other than the current conflict; you went there immediately as if Iraq was my angle of choice.
I find it hilarious that you're attempting to take the 'more educated than me' angle on more than just Iraq, but insurgency in general. You wouldn't attempt that anywhere but the internet, and not at all if we met one another.
As far as the ingame possibility, we're missing one another's assumptions. I assumed a united front as the basis of my argument (if lawfuls united you'd be doomed), while your argument was based on the improbability of unification (lack of true unification would give pirates all the room they need). You failed to address the 'what if' of unification happening. Thus, there is no real argument.
Ah, your edit did gloss over it. One problem: you still did not address where your money is coming from. Even at a modest 8k credits per ship, you will lose ships, and how will you trade or mine while running blockades? Not even the best moth driver can outrun a half dozen players at either Odia wormhole. How will you make enough money within your home station's NFZ to cover the loss of ships? Sure, it would take a while to run you dry, but I don't see the income possibility. Running the blockade does not equate to instant cash.
Maybe you missed it, but you discounted one of your own points. Right after you got done saying locals have no bearing on a guerilla war, you turn around and say local support ingame will help you win. You may or may not believe I know anything about warfare or history or current events, but you sir, know nothing of countering a position in any way more effective than throwing as many words as you are able to type.
This thread is off course and should be banished, but by all means not right away. Let Bidi post again. I've no need to get in the last word.
I find it hilarious that you're attempting to take the 'more educated than me' angle on more than just Iraq, but insurgency in general. You wouldn't attempt that anywhere but the internet, and not at all if we met one another.
As far as the ingame possibility, we're missing one another's assumptions. I assumed a united front as the basis of my argument (if lawfuls united you'd be doomed), while your argument was based on the improbability of unification (lack of true unification would give pirates all the room they need). You failed to address the 'what if' of unification happening. Thus, there is no real argument.
Ah, your edit did gloss over it. One problem: you still did not address where your money is coming from. Even at a modest 8k credits per ship, you will lose ships, and how will you trade or mine while running blockades? Not even the best moth driver can outrun a half dozen players at either Odia wormhole. How will you make enough money within your home station's NFZ to cover the loss of ships? Sure, it would take a while to run you dry, but I don't see the income possibility. Running the blockade does not equate to instant cash.
Maybe you missed it, but you discounted one of your own points. Right after you got done saying locals have no bearing on a guerilla war, you turn around and say local support ingame will help you win. You may or may not believe I know anything about warfare or history or current events, but you sir, know nothing of countering a position in any way more effective than throwing as many words as you are able to type.
This thread is off course and should be banished, but by all means not right away. Let Bidi post again. I've no need to get in the last word.
You're fools and you'll DIE!
YARRR!
YARRR!
erm... you bet we're missing "one another's assumptions." In fact, I believe you completely and utterly misunderstood each and every point I attempted to make.
And I'm not trying to "take the 'more educated than you' angle," I'm just taking the much smarter than you angle.
Have fun with your bad self (military training?) and your "unified front". I doubt I'll ever even run into you or a single one of your "unified" forces. (Except a few CDC and SSC, but then... I actively seek those few out. They are in fact the ultimate instigators of this "conflict.")
We will be taking yer cargoes . . . soon(tm)
And I'm not trying to "take the 'more educated than you' angle," I'm just taking the much smarter than you angle.
Have fun with your bad self (military training?) and your "unified front". I doubt I'll ever even run into you or a single one of your "unified" forces. (Except a few CDC and SSC, but then... I actively seek those few out. They are in fact the ultimate instigators of this "conflict.")
We will be taking yer cargoes . . . soon(tm)