note Screw after it happened I did make an apology over 100 to all racers who were hit by Omni's attack. Not only that but with Surb I asked him how we could remedy the situation and he said that it was fine he just wanted to make wedge feel bad. He also asked if he could fight wedge 3 times to get combat practice. Therefore even before your request it has already be remedied. At least to those that stayed online.

Also I would like to ask where you see any BDC pilot saying taht the deneb run is 'Itani surviellance'. The only one I see that has even remotly said anything of the sort is softy. What was said about CDC is true in fact look at the members no serco which is fine. As Moldy said "We'd love to have more Serco. It just so happens most of you like to fight more than the UIT and Itani do :)" We at the BDC have no problems with any guild unless a large percent of it's members participate in anti-Serco activities (CtC, BP,BS) against Serco. If one or 2 members do it yes they will be a target but the guild will not be.

Moldy The thing that started it was a WC. So we were not broadcasting on purpose. For Swag man because of the continued askance of proof.

A) that day we were CtCing I had the xith in pelatus M-14. I see over guild chat "pelatus M-14,kill". he says WC.
B) Also some of the info I've feed to him which was "the invasion plot in Itani space" also got returned to me by 2 different ITAN members. Spidey asked "so what time are you invading".
C) In addition I see Iry log off and on to Swag man multiple times (this alone is not a problem except when coupled with A and B)

For the record I would like to say I have no problems with alts in the guild. If they are able to keep them seperate much better. I know some people can't roleplay multiple characters which is fine, but leaking information is an action which I will expel for.

In fact, a long-standing rule in the race forbids the use of the very fast Valkyrie class of ships specifically to avoid putting those pilots without access to such ships at a disadvantage.

Yeah, but that EC-107, which is so highly available.... that's allowed =P

I could do the same with the Axia bus :)~

Part of the problem with BDC, as I see it, is that people see a [BDC] tag and immediately think "pirate" because that is exactly what BDC was, prior to its rather odd repurposing and takeover by Serco nationals--a pirate and mercenary guild.

Furthermore, the behavior and mannerisms of many of BDC's members do nothing to shake this reputation of a pirate guild; inviting Ayn, the attack on the Deneb Run racers, and the attack on Surbius Bondevo's Behemoth (just to name a few examples that I've heard of many times over) only further entrench the anti-pirate sentiment into the minds of other pilots.

BDC needs to seriously reconsider its actions in greyspace. True, greyspace is "lawless" and "dangerous". That is not, however, an excuse for a military guild to pirate non-combatants just because they might disagree with BDC's policies, or because their IFF identifies them as Itani.

And I agree with Screwball's mathematical equations, and offer a slight modification for consistency, visual accuracy, and a more accurate list of irritated guilds ;)

Let n = "keep it up"
  n
  ∑ x * pissOff(CDC + TGFT + EnB + PA + SSC + rnd(others)) = spank(BDC)
x=1

lim BDC_credibility(x) = 0
x→n

In short, the more you keep it up, the more pissed off we'll get and the more trouble you'll eventually be in. Also, the more you keep it up, the less anyone will believe your intentions to be what you say explicitly.

I have had my differences with members of each of the other guilds in that list, but I will stand by them and fight back with them, against BDC, if this behavior continues.

Miharu

>I did make an apology over 100 to all racers who were hit by Omni's attack

I'm glad to hear that. I wasn't on then so I missed that detail. Anyway, my post was a warning that any future incidents will be responded to with less restraint than the first time. I don't consider us in an active state of hostilities right now.

>I would like to ask where you see any BDC pilot saying taht the deneb run is 'Itani surviellance'.

Omni Vorcyber, a member of BDC, started this thread. In the 2nd paragraph of his opening post, he states:

"...operation Expose was given the green light and scheduled to coincide with the Itani surviellance activity publicized as the 'Deneb Race'."

>Yeah, but that EC-107, which is so highly available.... that's allowed =P

Well... it does take some work, but everyone has the opportunity to get it without having to blow their character concept to make nice with a particular nation. Also, it's not totally imbalanced as a race ship. Orion Hornets, the Vulture MkIII, and other ships continue to rack up wins too. Heck, a quad-rail sniper can take out an EC-107 in one shot, whereas an Orion Hornet will survive the full hit.

You'll fight?

That's pretty much sure to encourage [BDC]'s behavior. Hell, for the benefit of getting Miharu out of a station and into a combat ship, I might even consider sporting a [BDC] tag.

Normally i dont have outrages like this but...

You gosh darn people listen that BDC has mad eits apoligies and has still been getting a shitload of crap from everyone! I stand by when i say this that BDC is not a 'pirate' nor 'merc' guild. We stand by our faction and protect it. Hell im so into it i do alittle of my own patrolling in Serco space. But i say again BDC has made its apoligies and ha spunished those that have done wrong.

Sincerely Wedge Antilles of the Serco dominion and (BDC)

lol

don't waste your time to arg with people on the forum. it's always the same persons that post over and over.

the world is still turning and i don't care about what they say over and over.

they think they rule on VO because they play it since long times. opening their mouth and interfering on everything.
always the same mouths since 2 years.

Erik C. of the [CDC]
Blue Streak of the [CDC]
Lemon Lime of the [BDC]
moldyman of the [BDC] (now gone because I needed the character slot)

Sorry moldyman i edited my post lol
it was too long

It's alright. I have no problem revealing my alts, since I can only use rockets anyway...

Good moldy!

Because it's [CDC]&[BDC] diplomatic problem.
We have no idea who are 75% of the posters in this thread.

Next diplomatic problem should NOT be discussed on the RPG forum.
It's not an appropriate place.
On the VO-RPG forum there are too much unknown persons [hiding behind their forum-names].

To: Commanders of TGFT,CDC if your members continue to commit crimes against serco by participating in BP,BS,CTC on the itani side then you will be targets,we can no longer allow the willfull destruction of serco interests by your members. this is final warning.And i have not seen ENB OR SSC or PA in these actions so they are excluded from this warning.And i welcome there leadership to speak to me at anytime on formal ceasefires at anytime,but tgft and cdc need stop the trash talk and the bashing of my members and the destruction of serco interests. Then i would welcome talks of a ceasefire.

Sighned Lord Hirosama [Commander]

You gotta love the slant:

Screwball wrote:
"Recently, one of your pilots willfully fired on both the participants and host of The Deneb Run, an event sponsored by TGFT and EnB. Those fired on included members of CDC, who were present as both race host and competitors, as well as members of the PA and TGFT, and the group included citizens of all three nations."

I fired upon the leader of CDC with homing missiles. That pilot then ran through the group of racers causing them to recieve splash damage. I most certainly did *not* fire upon the racers. If indeed some of them were damaged, it is as much the fault of the target pilot as mine. However, any racer that was damaged has my apologies.

Screwball wrote:
" This same BDC pilot then attempted to justify his cowardly attack by publishing the outrageous claim that The Deneb Run is somehow an "Itani surviellance [sic] activity". He then goes on to make outrageous claim #2, stating that it is "highly probable that CDC is an Itani front organization". "

First of all, I was not a BDC pilot at the time of the post. As for the Deneb Run being an Itani surviellance activity, how else would you expect any Serco intelligence agency to view that event? As for claim #2, it seems more and more probable all the time.

"1) While there is a tradition of racers in The Deneb Run being shot at AFTER the start of the race, it is outrageous to fire upon this group while they are assembled in close proximity for the start of the race. Further, the host should never be considered an acceptable target."

It seems that's about the only time that particular host is a *possible* target. I will again point out that the racers were not the target, the target's poor choice of maneuver led to their damage. As far as target acceptability, anyone on my KOS list is a target anytime and anywhere.

"[OOC: The Deneb Run is an event run by the players for the players. Show some f*cking respect.]"

[OOC: What makes player run events special? Name one current player run event, other than the bus wars/races at the racetrack, that does not force a break in roleplay for most Serco and many Itani participants. Read the backstory and try justifying any of them in those terms.

That said, players are certainly free to do what they want within the rules set by the devs and guides, but don't even try to get up on a high horse morally when a roleplayer tries to shoehorn those events into the backstory as best he can.]

As far as my piloting and gunnery skills go, yes I'm probably one of the worst pilots and probably the worst shot out of all members of all the military and pirate guilds. Still I'm at least a match on the battlefield for any trades guild member I've seen. I'd suggest thinking that one through before making any more threats.

You sir need to be more informed:

3) Contestants must be within 100m of me before the start

Rule from the Deneb Run. You fired with rockets as well, so don't give the bull "Oh, I was targetting only her" argument. Were you only targetting her you'd equip rails or some other ACCURATE and NON SPLASH DAMAGE weapon. Passing off blame to the victim is also a pathetic attempt at justifying yourself. Sorry if the Race MC just so happens to be in the MIDDLE of the group of racers as they should be, so ANY direction BUT going STRAIGHT TOWARDS YOU would put the racers between you and her.

Yes, we run through Sol 2 taking pretty pictures of your asteroids. ALL YOUR XITH ARE BELONG TO US!

The "target" was flying around for hours before and hours after. You're just a lazy ass and figured, "Hey she'll be distratced doing something else. Perfect time!"

OOC: Er, so a good War loving Serco or Itani would NEVER EVER race? Even n their own free time. Riiiight... Nation Wars are a team based competition, specifically held in grey space so as to avoid the issue you speak of. You act as if these pilots have no lives outside of their day to day work grind, be it defending the border or hunting CTC convoys. (OOC)

I suggest you talk to your leadership about threats, Omni.

I suggest that [BDC] utilize the next scheduled Deneb Run congregation as a platform from which to issue a definitive "statement" on their future stance on this matter.

Until then, why say more.

OOC:
I personally could care less about the rules of the Deneb Run or any other non-roleplay non-backstory based player construct. Frankly they interfere with role immersion and detract from my game enjoyment - I have to make up logic to make them fit into the great backstory the devs created.

Combat pilots in a warzone get very little R&R time and they certainly don't spend it cavorting with enemy pilots. Also the Deneb Race prohibits serious combat pilots on either side from participating unless they act like UIT pilots much of the time so as to be able to maintain sufficient standing with the opposing side as to not get shot at the border. Now if races were held entirely within grey/UIT space it would be a slightly different story.

As far as the intelligence operation logic goes - I suppose during the Cold War, US and USSR were happy to let pilots from the other side fly unmolested through their airspace....right. Ever heard of Gary Powers? Wormholes, especially at borders, would be of high strategic value and the presence, constitution, and layout of defenses would be of high interest to the opposition.

Of course, the game mechanics are (imo) flawed a bit so that it is fairly easy for pilots to travel between Itani and Serco space - even to the point of docking at stations and buying ships - but this would be abhorrent to the militant conservatives on both sides.

Player run games only exist because of a (ever diminishing) lack of game content, and no matter how well intentioned, rarely fit seamlessly into the backstory. With the addition of more content by the devs (and through CCP the players) the player made games become less and less desireable and more and more of a blemish upon the rpg landscape.

Though you speak mainly opinion, Omnicyber, you also got many facts wrong, and you also displayed some ignorance on other issues.

I personally could care less about the rules of the Deneb Run or any other non-roleplay non-backstory based player construct. Frankly they interfere with role immersion and detract from my game enjoyment - I have to make up logic to make them fit into the great backstory the devs created.

This is your opinion, and you're entitled to it, but I cannot see why adding a simple race is so difficult to add to the existing backstory.

Combat pilots in a warzone get very little R&R time and they certainly don't spend it cavorting with enemy pilots.

Well, the actual warzone is in Deneb-Geira Rutilus, not greyspace. So if you have the time to be hanging around greyspace you have the time to "cavort with enemy pilots", don't you?

Also the Deneb Race prohibits serious combat pilots on either side from participating unless they act like UIT pilots much of the time so as to be able to maintain sufficient standing with the opposing side as to not get shot at the border.

Go read this past race to see how that is not true. Then go read the past races; then ASK. Serco and Itani-hated pilots continually run the race, and are attacked by the SFs; in fact, that's part of the challenge of some, and some don't make it precisely because the SF nabs them. If you're not hated by either you simply don't have to worry about SFs, that is all. Pirates, ITAN, SKV, SoR, SCAR, and ST6 have run in the race; there are no demands anywhere that you be liked by all nations in order to race.

Now if races were held entirely within grey/UIT space it would be a slightly different story.

The Corporate Sectors Run takes place entirely within Union and greyspace, FYI.

As far as the intelligence operation logic goes - I suppose during the Cold War, US and USSR were happy to let pilots from the other side fly unmolested through their airspace....right. Ever heard of Gary Powers? Wormholes, especially at borders, would be of high strategic value and the presence, constitution, and layout of defenses would be of high interest to the opposition.

All Serco wormholes to grey and Itanispace are guarded by stations, in case you didn't notice.

Of course, the game mechanics are (imo) flawed a bit so that it is fairly easy for pilots to travel between Itani and Serco space - even to the point of docking at stations and buying ships - but this would be abhorrent to the militant conservatives on both sides.

We all agree on this up to a point. Yes, the SFs are largely ineffective, but they do deploy to attack interlopers. And no Itani can dock with Serco stations (or viceversa) unless they put the time to bot their faction up. And yes, neither of the two nations is truly in the lock up a war would suppose, but I think this is another instance where the Devs went for fun over realism.

Player run games only exist because of a (ever diminishing) lack of game content, and no matter how well intentioned, rarely fit seamlessly into the backstory. With the addition of more content by the devs (and through CCP the players) the player made games become less and less desireable and more and more of a blemish upon the rpg landscape.

And this is once more opinion, and one that I'm confident will be proven wrong, as at least the Deneb Run is being considered to become official content, with Momerath already working on it. Not everyone plays the Serco/Itani conflict, and not everyone will play the Corp content that is upcoming; player-led events will always exist in some form in VO, and, IMO, they don't blemish at all the RPG landscape of the game. if you are really struggling to fit player content into your game, then stay out of it, but do realize that interfering with other players as they enjoy the player content won't win you any points with anyone.

mommerath has a Deneb Run mission which works for the weekly event. I submitted a mission for the Deneb Run as an automated practice round of sorts, as well as for the Corporate Sectors Run. If any of these three become implemented, it becomes official backstory.

But until then, you're right, it isn't.

For some of us, the Deneb Run fits very nicely into RP. My character is a racer, considered the best by many. That's his RP. So while I respect your opinion, I ask you to respect others' too. The Run does not interfere with you directly, I hope, other than you know it exists and happens. So leave it be?

Actually, Deneb Run organizers should start hiring bouncers. I remember BLAK was hired as bouncers for the dearly departed PvP knockout competition that Dasus' old guild used to run.

I got to shoot up a troublemaker too :).