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So, I changed around the Centaur and the Prometheus, let me know what you all think. I'm starting with the heavier ships and working my way down, although I may tweak the cents and vultures in the next patch as well. We'll see (Monday). Hope you all enjoy it. Please don't flame me too badly ;).
Man those proms are scary in a little centurion.
me holds his prom tightly...
oh my!!! that ship is what makes flying fun :D it is WELL worth leveling to get. it is a great prize at the end of killinng thousands of bots. it is what i wanted it to be when i first started playing.
i have lots of praise!! i can imagine a backlash coming soon though. brace yourselves...
oh my!!! that ship is what makes flying fun :D it is WELL worth leveling to get. it is a great prize at the end of killinng thousands of bots. it is what i wanted it to be when i first started playing.
i have lots of praise!! i can imagine a backlash coming soon though. brace yourselves...
Lemme start... see my thread in the suggestions forum, this isn't balance, this is revenge.
i am going to test the prometheus and centaur.
i saw you are going to change the IBG soon
so please do not forget to change the SVG (serco vulture guardian)and Valkyries too.
SVG must be better than the Vulture Mk 4
and match with the IBG. (same for the valent vulture that should be almost equal with the svg)
really according to me this ships has only a drain problem.
65 max instead of 70+.
(while the Corvus vulture should has 75/drain)
i saw you are going to change the IBG soon
so please do not forget to change the SVG (serco vulture guardian)and Valkyries too.
SVG must be better than the Vulture Mk 4
and match with the IBG. (same for the valent vulture that should be almost equal with the svg)
really according to me this ships has only a drain problem.
65 max instead of 70+.
(while the Corvus vulture should has 75/drain)
very, very pleased with the prom.
well of course you are, but remember, even us cent pilots were railing against the Rev C/IBG, lets have some self-criticism from those actually piloting them.
Unimpressed... you really should take a month out and get a good testing team together, and work out a balance which is going to work permanently, i'm consistantly fed up of these ups and downs regarding ships.
And i'm sure there'll be a prom nerf asap.
Temp. (Serco)
And i'm sure there'll be a prom nerf asap.
Temp. (Serco)
eh, no need for a nerf persay. what about dropping the maneuver speed of the prom from 65(very similar to the fighter class ships) to 55? this would make it possible for a lighter
ship to outmaneuver it, while still retaining its ability to aim and fight back. This would go in line with both the extreme armor of the prom, and would give small ship pilots their own advantage, to combat the large wep port and the lower disadvantages of carrying heavier weps.
ship to outmaneuver it, while still retaining its ability to aim and fight back. This would go in line with both the extreme armor of the prom, and would give small ship pilots their own advantage, to combat the large wep port and the lower disadvantages of carrying heavier weps.
it's is very redicoulous at all....it's not balancing the game....the big ship as centaur can dodge the swarms as well as the light fighter (thrust is too high) and the use of AGT balancing the lack of torque of heavy ship....Every body are going to take the big ships....that's very "interesting game".....PPPPPFPFPPFPFPFPFPFPFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
bring back the old stat of centaur and prom before the patch.
give them a better armor
x2 or +10 000.
<< Both are greatly increased in Mass (10,000kg on the Prom, upwards of 15,000kg on the Centaur) but also greatly increased in thrust (650N on even the basic Prometheus). The rationale being that we can now create a somewhat-maneuverable heavy ship, which may not match up to a light ship in pure combat, can handle heavier addons and cargo without as much impact on the ship's performance >>
i don't think it's a good idea because since swarms (missiles) are nerfed this heavy ship are dogding (Thrust is too high) easly the missiles. better than the light ships.
Better to Make heavy ship harder to kill because they have a big armor than giving them a maneuvable like a light ship.
or
bring back the stats but give 2 Large Port on a prometheus.
End of story
( it's true that's strange to see a heavy ship with a thrust better than a light ship)
give them a better armor
x2 or +10 000.
<< Both are greatly increased in Mass (10,000kg on the Prom, upwards of 15,000kg on the Centaur) but also greatly increased in thrust (650N on even the basic Prometheus). The rationale being that we can now create a somewhat-maneuverable heavy ship, which may not match up to a light ship in pure combat, can handle heavier addons and cargo without as much impact on the ship's performance >>
i don't think it's a good idea because since swarms (missiles) are nerfed this heavy ship are dogding (Thrust is too high) easly the missiles. better than the light ships.
Better to Make heavy ship harder to kill because they have a big armor than giving them a maneuvable like a light ship.
or
bring back the stats but give 2 Large Port on a prometheus.
End of story
( it's true that's strange to see a heavy ship with a thrust better than a light ship)
Have the users who have posted here actually TRIED the Prom and Centaur in the situations you have cited? It's clear that one or two of the people who have posted here have not. Please try the new ships out before posting. Discussions of thrust stats seem to be ignoring mass completely, not to mention the dampers, etc. There's much more to the way a ship handles and accelerates than the numbers for thrust.
Let us not forget, too, that the prom (as well as the Centaur, to a lesser degree) strongly resembles the broad side of a barn ;)
Let us not forget, too, that the prom (as well as the Centaur, to a lesser degree) strongly resembles the broad side of a barn ;)
The new Prometheus now holds its own. Do not nerf it again.
Seriously.
-:sigma.SB
[Rather than delete your post, I turned down the flames. I hope you will approve later - FM]
[Edit at FM: Yes, thanks.]
Seriously.
-:sigma.SB
[Rather than delete your post, I turned down the flames. I hope you will approve later - FM]
[Edit at FM: Yes, thanks.]
I fully second Solra. The ships are nice as they are now, except maybe for a few lighter ships who could use a little boost and nudge.
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i prefer the prom, centaur and ragnarok like my idea :)
heavy ship with a big big armor and 2 Large ports.
:o)
way must to be for a heavy ships :o)
hehe
i am now off the topic!
btw i am glad to see the prom usefull for once.
:o) will wait next patch.
i prefer the prom, centaur and ragnarok like my idea :)
heavy ship with a big big armor and 2 Large ports.
:o)
way must to be for a heavy ships :o)
hehe
i am now off the topic!
btw i am glad to see the prom usefull for once.
:o) will wait next patch.
"Better to Make heavy ship harder to kill because they have a big armor than giving them a maneuvable like a light ship."
I don't agree. E.g. the Rag has always been heavy armored, but still an easy kill, if you can dodge those standard weapons (double swarms). With any other wpn configuration you're just like a Fennus Guardian - easy to kill, it's just annoying to the other pilot because it takes longer to break the armor than on a Tycorp assault. The only thing you can do to avoid being killed in that ship is spam swarm missiles and make yourself the unwanted idiot in any fight.
Giving the heavy ships a little more maneuverability (<- is that a word? ) is a good way to lead players to try out other weapons, which might introduce some new "ueber-configurations", but that just makes the game more interesting.
Well, at least I'm speaking for the heavy ships that were made for combat, like the Rag or prom. The centaur is a true trading ship, and it's lack of maneuverablity (<- once again that word) is ok, max the armor to 100000 or whatever and leave the rest like it is. :)
I don't agree. E.g. the Rag has always been heavy armored, but still an easy kill, if you can dodge those standard weapons (double swarms). With any other wpn configuration you're just like a Fennus Guardian - easy to kill, it's just annoying to the other pilot because it takes longer to break the armor than on a Tycorp assault. The only thing you can do to avoid being killed in that ship is spam swarm missiles and make yourself the unwanted idiot in any fight.
Giving the heavy ships a little more maneuverability (<- is that a word? ) is a good way to lead players to try out other weapons, which might introduce some new "ueber-configurations", but that just makes the game more interesting.
Well, at least I'm speaking for the heavy ships that were made for combat, like the Rag or prom. The centaur is a true trading ship, and it's lack of maneuverablity (<- once again that word) is ok, max the armor to 100000 or whatever and leave the rest like it is. :)
aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh
They fix the prom while i'm nowhere near a computer i can play vendetta on. not fair. not fair.
I wont even be able to look at it till monday. :(
They fix the prom while i'm nowhere near a computer i can play vendetta on. not fair. not fair.
I wont even be able to look at it till monday. :(
no laika!
ragnarok don't have a big armor.
its not proportionnal with his mass.
ragnarok, prom and centaur should have 30 000 - 40 000 according to me :o)
ragnarok don't have a big armor.
its not proportionnal with his mass.
ragnarok, prom and centaur should have 30 000 - 40 000 according to me :o)
Prom is fine now. Might have a bit too much health for its agility, but otherwise its fine. You just can't assume you're going to easily win anymore - you have to adapt your tactics to the prom, not the other way around.
I've been thinking about the Prometheus balancing. I think that the current setup is good, but not great in the long term.
IMO, the following would work well (I refer to the Skycommand throughout this):
Reduce its thrust to about 500N.
Decrease its turbo drain to 55.
Increase its armor to 30k.
Remove one of the S ports.
I know I'm going to get other Serco who disagree, especially with the last one, but if the Prometheus is to maneuver anywhere near as good as it is now, it won't need the extra firepower.
-:sigma.SB
IMO, the following would work well (I refer to the Skycommand throughout this):
Reduce its thrust to about 500N.
Decrease its turbo drain to 55.
Increase its armor to 30k.
Remove one of the S ports.
I know I'm going to get other Serco who disagree, especially with the last one, but if the Prometheus is to maneuver anywhere near as good as it is now, it won't need the extra firepower.
-:sigma.SB