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no matter how hard you try to justify it. The serco are winning the game by it's rules fair and square.
But you serco can't go and claim that you're against odds just because more itani are ONLINE.
Itani are not experienced. There are like 2 vets on our side.
My question is. how the heck do you guys have fun just killing inexperienced players? You may not know, but people are quitting the game because they are sick of being massacred by serco. Those that don't quit, swtich to serco or just do what roguelazer mentioned, and sit in stations and hover around Itan and the galactic north.
I don't entirely blame the Itani for not wanting to participate. If you're not experienced, it's not fun at all to try to defend or attack when you're outnumbered and outskilled. And even now, going into an attack or defense alone or with just one buddy at my side, isn't my idea of fun.
I challenge some of you serco vets to be heros for the itani. If you're into tuning your skill and getting better, what could be more awesome than helping a weak people overcome rediculous odds? seriously all we need is 2-3 of you guys on our side, and it'll be a fair game, not just a newb-massacring game.
come out of your hole and rise up to the challenge!
But you serco can't go and claim that you're against odds just because more itani are ONLINE.
Itani are not experienced. There are like 2 vets on our side.
My question is. how the heck do you guys have fun just killing inexperienced players? You may not know, but people are quitting the game because they are sick of being massacred by serco. Those that don't quit, swtich to serco or just do what roguelazer mentioned, and sit in stations and hover around Itan and the galactic north.
I don't entirely blame the Itani for not wanting to participate. If you're not experienced, it's not fun at all to try to defend or attack when you're outnumbered and outskilled. And even now, going into an attack or defense alone or with just one buddy at my side, isn't my idea of fun.
I challenge some of you serco vets to be heros for the itani. If you're into tuning your skill and getting better, what could be more awesome than helping a weak people overcome rediculous odds? seriously all we need is 2-3 of you guys on our side, and it'll be a fair game, not just a newb-massacring game.
come out of your hole and rise up to the challenge!
Yoda? Become a blue? NEVAH! Red till I die!
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I promise i wont say serco rule all this week, if it helps you win =D, but i cant help joining in on the Serco Smiliey Chorus =D
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I promise i wont say serco rule all this week, if it helps you win =D, but i cant help joining in on the Serco Smiliey Chorus =D
Pfah.
Hmmm, Perhaps if gaining levels wasn't so hard some of the serco would be interested in changing sides, but i kinda doubt it.
For whatever reason, the itani veterans didn't continue over to the pay-to-play game. Thats not our fault, but your point is taken. with less than a month of playtime not many players will be able to take on an experienced veteran.
as to wylfling:
1. the serco do NOT kill our own transports. When they are destroyed it is usually a single itani attacker doing it.
2. we usually dont kill it in C-5, we do damage it there, because if we dont it is almost impossible to catch it and kill it. The itani convoy route is 1 sector shorter, and the itani convoy comes out less than half the distance from the wormholes on its route than the serco one does, meaning it spends only a small time in those sectors.
3-6 i have nothing new to add.
7. that "attitude" is why we win, because we DO care.
additionally the backstory is not helping itani's cause in the CtC. the way it and the "blurbs" are written in the character creation screen, most of the aggressive, combative players are joining serco. The argument about serco vets is becoming less and less valid, this past week we had a fairly large group of NEW players involved in the CtC (admittedly the top ranks were still mostly veterans, but more and more of our CtC players are new)
For whatever reason, the itani veterans didn't continue over to the pay-to-play game. Thats not our fault, but your point is taken. with less than a month of playtime not many players will be able to take on an experienced veteran.
as to wylfling:
1. the serco do NOT kill our own transports. When they are destroyed it is usually a single itani attacker doing it.
2. we usually dont kill it in C-5, we do damage it there, because if we dont it is almost impossible to catch it and kill it. The itani convoy route is 1 sector shorter, and the itani convoy comes out less than half the distance from the wormholes on its route than the serco one does, meaning it spends only a small time in those sectors.
3-6 i have nothing new to add.
7. that "attitude" is why we win, because we DO care.
additionally the backstory is not helping itani's cause in the CtC. the way it and the "blurbs" are written in the character creation screen, most of the aggressive, combative players are joining serco. The argument about serco vets is becoming less and less valid, this past week we had a fairly large group of NEW players involved in the CtC (admittedly the top ranks were still mostly veterans, but more and more of our CtC players are new)
On your list this week, I see Phoenix, Spider, Lin and RelayeR as your top vets. Who do you see on Itani's side? I see Niki. And myself. Nothing against the others, people like Sun and Apex are great fighters, but I don't see a lot in the way of vets.
Roguelazer,
Thunderbird is missing in your list. We all know, that he is a so called vet ... ;)
Thunderbird is missing in your list. We all know, that he is a so called vet ... ;)
well, at this point, its a serious problem. Noobs should not be taking the full brunt of CTC'ing on themselves. If you look at what the serco do, they have their newer players taking support positions until they reach such a level that they can compete on their own.
Let me try to express the urgency of the situation. It may be fun for the serco to keep winning right now. But when the itani finally give up and say, "it's all yours", what will you do?
Let me try to express the urgency of the situation. It may be fun for the serco to keep winning right now. But when the itani finally give up and say, "it's all yours", what will you do?
The itani are getting new players who do ctc. You failed to mention "Jestatis Bess" who might not be a vet but serco and itani alike must say he did a great job last week, with the highest ctc score out of all itanis.
As a serco I admire him. But as a new player and what I’ve heard about the ctc I’m glad I’m not itani and I would be surprised if "Jestatis Bess" name is on next week’s ctc. He gave a lot of effort, with help, but the odds are often insurmountable for any itani. Within the last 6 hours of ctc yesterday the serco managed to get 600 deliveries. How can an itani really fight against that?
So what does a new itani have to look forward too except trying your best and still failing?
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Ps. this is just my opinion as a new player. I’m not trying to imply that the serco are better. But they happen to be better at ctc, at least right now.
As a serco I admire him. But as a new player and what I’ve heard about the ctc I’m glad I’m not itani and I would be surprised if "Jestatis Bess" name is on next week’s ctc. He gave a lot of effort, with help, but the odds are often insurmountable for any itani. Within the last 6 hours of ctc yesterday the serco managed to get 600 deliveries. How can an itani really fight against that?
So what does a new itani have to look forward too except trying your best and still failing?
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Ps. this is just my opinion as a new player. I’m not trying to imply that the serco are better. But they happen to be better at ctc, at least right now.
That was what the war in Sedina B-8 was about. The Itani on at the time said screw it we cant win, so lets just kill some Serco. It very well could come down to the point where we no longer care about ctc cargo, and simply focus on the players, I can see large scale greifings in the future.
It is kind of sad really. I've seen the itani winning the majority of the week and being carried by thunderbird of some other itani (usually 60 cargo's ahead of the second place itani) only to have their lead taken away in a day when the transports double and triple. One person cannot win it for the Itani's no matter how hard they try. The thing is that while Serco are winning now.... Those noobs will someday be skilled players. Even if we do get the majority of the agressive players I think a mass of itani noobs would still help. I mean a noob is not worthless..... It's another person that us Serco have to take the time to track our weapons on and click a button :)
I seriously think that it will even out. All the Itani need is a lil' more propoganda.
/givemoney Devs 2c
I seriously think that it will even out. All the Itani need is a lil' more propoganda.
/givemoney Devs 2c
We've been there as well, I recall. Back before the holidays we had a few weeks when our guild collectively said "effitall" and went to level up, got secondary chars playing, and worked on standings. Itani got a huge lead.
ok. The rules of the game has changed a bit since then. but what I really wonder is, where did all the names go?
Last time the itani won they had 57 names on the list. Serco had 42.
The week after that, Itani had 29 to Serco's 30
Following, 38 to 38 then 35 to 34
Next, 29 to 28
Last week the itani had 35 nicks, Serco had 28
The game has calmed down, and there are now more even numbers, although theese numbers have settled towards our side, mostly, I think due to our organisation and coordination.
ok. The rules of the game has changed a bit since then. but what I really wonder is, where did all the names go?
Last time the itani won they had 57 names on the list. Serco had 42.
The week after that, Itani had 29 to Serco's 30
Following, 38 to 38 then 35 to 34
Next, 29 to 28
Last week the itani had 35 nicks, Serco had 28
The game has calmed down, and there are now more even numbers, although theese numbers have settled towards our side, mostly, I think due to our organisation and coordination.
But what of the Vets? look, some people may get very good practicing against these odds... but its tough to do when you fly halfway across the galaxy and then get splashed by 2 players in Orion Cents, and a player in a hog sportin swarms. What are they supposed to learn from this encounter? My hunch is that they will learn not to go to grey space, that its a waste of their time. They need strong players to fly with.
If they stick it out, you guys might be right, it might turn around and become balanced. IF they stick it out. You're asking these players to tough out a shitty game experience for a long while.
Not to mention, that neut 3's will not be available for a very long time. Meaning that the average level of the itani pilot is going to have to be HIGHER than their serco opponents.
People keep pointing to the numbers. Roughly equal on each side. And the reason why the serco keep winning is because of organization. This speaks very highly of the serco pilots, save for the fact that these powerful organizational skills are based on 2 years worth of correspondence and friendships. There's NO WAY the itani can keep up with that. They don't know one another well enough, and they're not likely to learn under the pressure of constant defeat.
If they stick it out, you guys might be right, it might turn around and become balanced. IF they stick it out. You're asking these players to tough out a shitty game experience for a long while.
Not to mention, that neut 3's will not be available for a very long time. Meaning that the average level of the itani pilot is going to have to be HIGHER than their serco opponents.
People keep pointing to the numbers. Roughly equal on each side. And the reason why the serco keep winning is because of organization. This speaks very highly of the serco pilots, save for the fact that these powerful organizational skills are based on 2 years worth of correspondence and friendships. There's NO WAY the itani can keep up with that. They don't know one another well enough, and they're not likely to learn under the pressure of constant defeat.
To every Serco who replied "Serco do not blow up their own convoy" I beg to differ. It was happening ad infinitum on Friday while I was on, and from the look of the board it was happening all week.
And for attitude, I'm not talking about "can do" or just the desire to come out on top. Nothing wrong with that. I mean the attitude that exploiting weaknesses in the game to get an advantage is smart, and those who don't exploit the same weaknesses are dumb. This goes hand-in-hand with what I was witnessing Friday viz. attacking your own convoy.
I know I'm talking about a minority of Serco players. But those few are having a disproportionately bad effect.
And for attitude, I'm not talking about "can do" or just the desire to come out on top. Nothing wrong with that. I mean the attitude that exploiting weaknesses in the game to get an advantage is smart, and those who don't exploit the same weaknesses are dumb. This goes hand-in-hand with what I was witnessing Friday viz. attacking your own convoy.
I know I'm talking about a minority of Serco players. But those few are having a disproportionately bad effect.
I could point to some very obvious things here from today, but it might not be fair to the involved.
However, people who fight in groups: don't let your groupmates disappear out of sight. Don't let yourself get involved in 1 vs 1 fights. They aren't, thats you being led aside and kept busy while a 2 or 3 vs 1 kill the other, and then can turn to you.
That is how group combat work, you separate them, and try to wear a single player down without taking damage. If he gets hurt enough to leave? Great. That means you can now sneak up on the other.
If he dies? better, means its more time before he returns.
If its a fairly even fight? Break it off and strike the other fellow in the back while he's busy, then re-engage your current opponent so he doesn't have the chance to do the same.
Group tactics isn't fair play. Group tactics isn't 1 vs. 1. Group tactics isn't staying until you're dead.. Unless you're doing it because its fun to fight.
I should also point out that the Centurion is a hard ship to fight well in. Its too agile for most players, and its not at all fit for larger scale combat. Don't even try that. Warthogs, Vultures, Valkyres, Marauders. I've even seen Wraiths doing well in a group combat. Just the infiniboost doesn't mean you'll survive, especially not if you're in a group.
Also, things to consider for a fight. Don't insult people. It makes them mad, and it makes them remember you.
Unless you're in it for a purpouse, (convoys being an obvious, piracy another) Stick around and fight. if you pick it, its good form to stay, more respect to a player who takes a fight and dies, than to one who picks fights, run out to 3k as soon as their hull is scraped, and keep hovering the "activate" key in case they get even more hurt. This is the kind of player that gets met with cheap shots and backstabs -months- later.
But I think I'm diverging right now.
As for the numbers, Shape. What I wondered was, Itani had a lot of people on, even when it was n00bs only ( I recall meeting over ten players in -atlases- and warthogs once ) it was manpower and as such difficulties. Itani won those weeks. What happened to them? Why didn't they participate the week after when the itani had the N3? Something changed there when Serco was down and facing the disadvantage, and it evened out. Serco recovered greatly, and the Itani didn't show up after they had won?
Thats what I ask.
However, people who fight in groups: don't let your groupmates disappear out of sight. Don't let yourself get involved in 1 vs 1 fights. They aren't, thats you being led aside and kept busy while a 2 or 3 vs 1 kill the other, and then can turn to you.
That is how group combat work, you separate them, and try to wear a single player down without taking damage. If he gets hurt enough to leave? Great. That means you can now sneak up on the other.
If he dies? better, means its more time before he returns.
If its a fairly even fight? Break it off and strike the other fellow in the back while he's busy, then re-engage your current opponent so he doesn't have the chance to do the same.
Group tactics isn't fair play. Group tactics isn't 1 vs. 1. Group tactics isn't staying until you're dead.. Unless you're doing it because its fun to fight.
I should also point out that the Centurion is a hard ship to fight well in. Its too agile for most players, and its not at all fit for larger scale combat. Don't even try that. Warthogs, Vultures, Valkyres, Marauders. I've even seen Wraiths doing well in a group combat. Just the infiniboost doesn't mean you'll survive, especially not if you're in a group.
Also, things to consider for a fight. Don't insult people. It makes them mad, and it makes them remember you.
Unless you're in it for a purpouse, (convoys being an obvious, piracy another) Stick around and fight. if you pick it, its good form to stay, more respect to a player who takes a fight and dies, than to one who picks fights, run out to 3k as soon as their hull is scraped, and keep hovering the "activate" key in case they get even more hurt. This is the kind of player that gets met with cheap shots and backstabs -months- later.
But I think I'm diverging right now.
As for the numbers, Shape. What I wondered was, Itani had a lot of people on, even when it was n00bs only ( I recall meeting over ten players in -atlases- and warthogs once ) it was manpower and as such difficulties. Itani won those weeks. What happened to them? Why didn't they participate the week after when the itani had the N3? Something changed there when Serco was down and facing the disadvantage, and it evened out. Serco recovered greatly, and the Itani didn't show up after they had won?
Thats what I ask.
First it was the golds with a crazy armada. Then it was the blues with the valk and overwhelming numbers. Then the golds again. Then the reds with the skilled morning crew and great day crew. Then it was the blues again, with overwhelming numbers and valks. Then CTF was gone. Then it was the blues with valks and overwhelming numbers in CTC. Now it's reds with overwhelming numbers and more skillful players.
So, you see. This is nothing unusual. Nothing to see here, move along.
So, you see. This is nothing unusual. Nothing to see here, move along.
Well, I may not be a vet but I have joined the itani side. Mostly cuz I wanted a chalange. (and I wanted to give my Serco friends another target)
Note: it did this on my own and not due to any ones pleas. Many players can back me up on this.
Note: it did this on my own and not due to any ones pleas. Many players can back me up on this.
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Bye :P
I'm surprised that more UIT don't side with the Itani. Most of the time, at least from what I hear, the first thing that kills a UIT person when they first head into grey space is one of the many Serco vets. I know that's what happened to me.
I'm surprised that most don't help the Itanis but I think that the main reason for this is, if you side against the Sercos then you have to deal with Icarus, Amarus, Ayn, Phoenix, Spider and any other number of experienced Sercos who kill people in grey space.
I know of at least one UIT who joined the SAF, at least partly, to gain protection from the Serco vets.
I'm surprised that most don't help the Itanis but I think that the main reason for this is, if you side against the Sercos then you have to deal with Icarus, Amarus, Ayn, Phoenix, Spider and any other number of experienced Sercos who kill people in grey space.
I know of at least one UIT who joined the SAF, at least partly, to gain protection from the Serco vets.
To every Serco who replied "Serco do not blow up their own convoy" I beg to differ. It was happening ad infinitum on Friday while I was on, and from the look of the board it was happening all week.-"
I'm not going to argue with you wylfing, it's pointelss because you arent listening to what we are saying.
i'll post it one last time, if you still cant understand feel free to rant and rave all you want, but you wont get another reply from me about it.
THE SERCO -*!CANNOT!*- BLOW UP THIER OWN CONVOY AND DELIVER THE CARGO. NEITHER CAN THE ITANI. The game does not allow you to fire on your own ships unless you are -600 reputation with your team, which means you cannot deliver the cargo. NONE of the people who do the CtC are, (except shape, but he kills the transports on both sides, and he's itani as well)
I was also on on friday; thunderbird, jestasis bess, cybernut, apex, and a few others were the ones killing the vast majority of serco transports. THOSE ARE ITANI PLAYERS. They were making what basically amounted to suicide runs, trying to make a difference alone against a large defense group, and they were unable to escape with the cargo, so the serco were delivering it.
We also do not have UIT kill the transports for us, mr_spuck most certaintly doesnt kill them, as you claimed in another thread.
martin, I'm not sure which UIT you are referring to, there aren't that many in the guild, and all of them more or less were invited because they were delivering cargo FOR serco, and acted in a competent, friendly manner.
I will not be taking significant part in the CtC this week, Instead i plan to spend the week testing the new trade missions and attempting to help out ant Itani, UIT, or Serco players who are interested in learning how to fight better. /msg me ingame if you have questions, want someone to spar against, or want a few pointers.
I'm not going to argue with you wylfing, it's pointelss because you arent listening to what we are saying.
i'll post it one last time, if you still cant understand feel free to rant and rave all you want, but you wont get another reply from me about it.
THE SERCO -*!CANNOT!*- BLOW UP THIER OWN CONVOY AND DELIVER THE CARGO. NEITHER CAN THE ITANI. The game does not allow you to fire on your own ships unless you are -600 reputation with your team, which means you cannot deliver the cargo. NONE of the people who do the CtC are, (except shape, but he kills the transports on both sides, and he's itani as well)
I was also on on friday; thunderbird, jestasis bess, cybernut, apex, and a few others were the ones killing the vast majority of serco transports. THOSE ARE ITANI PLAYERS. They were making what basically amounted to suicide runs, trying to make a difference alone against a large defense group, and they were unable to escape with the cargo, so the serco were delivering it.
We also do not have UIT kill the transports for us, mr_spuck most certaintly doesnt kill them, as you claimed in another thread.
martin, I'm not sure which UIT you are referring to, there aren't that many in the guild, and all of them more or less were invited because they were delivering cargo FOR serco, and acted in a competent, friendly manner.
I will not be taking significant part in the CtC this week, Instead i plan to spend the week testing the new trade missions and attempting to help out ant Itani, UIT, or Serco players who are interested in learning how to fight better. /msg me ingame if you have questions, want someone to spar against, or want a few pointers.
Im with Spellcast on this one. We dont let any UIT in our guild to shoot our own transports and we shoot anyone outside our guild who tries to kill the transports.
Im not gonna participate in ctc this week either, ive got too many factions to get standing with, levels to get, and over 2 million in creds to make up for the past month of not trading.
Anyway if any Itani players want to take advantage of the opportunity some SAF members are offering this week, by all means go ahead.
Besides, ctc isnt that big of a deal, its only for one dumb weapon that i have 1000 copies of and that i rarely am able to use that much anyway cause i can only get it at scerco stations.
Why not have different guns like that spread across the galaxy that drop so the INDIVIDUAL player gan aquire them with some work?? Kinda dumb that an entire nation has to be short-changed one of the only good weapons in the game cause they cant get organized. If the neut 3 is THAT important, the real issue here is that there are not enough good weapons in the game and there is not enough incentive to do anything else but ctc.
Why not make better ships and weps for players who do the painstaking work of getting factions, or for pvp kills, or prospecting? (a few out there atm are good, but nothing special) Or how bout incentives for botting and trading in the way of weapons and ships? (boss spawns for botting, special ships for trading for individual faction)
anyway thats my 2 creds, dont spend em all in one place.....
Im not gonna participate in ctc this week either, ive got too many factions to get standing with, levels to get, and over 2 million in creds to make up for the past month of not trading.
Anyway if any Itani players want to take advantage of the opportunity some SAF members are offering this week, by all means go ahead.
Besides, ctc isnt that big of a deal, its only for one dumb weapon that i have 1000 copies of and that i rarely am able to use that much anyway cause i can only get it at scerco stations.
Why not have different guns like that spread across the galaxy that drop so the INDIVIDUAL player gan aquire them with some work?? Kinda dumb that an entire nation has to be short-changed one of the only good weapons in the game cause they cant get organized. If the neut 3 is THAT important, the real issue here is that there are not enough good weapons in the game and there is not enough incentive to do anything else but ctc.
Why not make better ships and weps for players who do the painstaking work of getting factions, or for pvp kills, or prospecting? (a few out there atm are good, but nothing special) Or how bout incentives for botting and trading in the way of weapons and ships? (boss spawns for botting, special ships for trading for individual faction)
anyway thats my 2 creds, dont spend em all in one place.....