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I feel like us Itani are getting shat on proper these days.
I don't want to start making any suggestions to fix this I just want to point out everyone has a valk-esque boat now and yet we're still left without anything remotely as awesome as the skyprom.
You've added 100kg to all the 2900kg valks awhile ago.
the X-1 is now the ultimate choice and all the other valks are moot the IDF valk has nothing on the X-1's reduced profile with its meager 100kg/5kN turbo thrust advantage and don't even get me started on the valk rune.
Its frustrating, you've added a bunch more insanely fast ships that are all very very good at hit'n'run attacks and still no effective counter measure to them (Rails still suck at their intended purpose).
The weight on the basic centurion variants is still ridiculous you'd think for a ship so much smaller than the vulture with a single small port they'd handle better instead they're made out of lead with EC like engines.
That last update was great don't get me wrong, keep stuff like that up but yeah the extra 100kg on the valks is a real bitchslap to the face now.
I don't want to start making any suggestions to fix this I just want to point out everyone has a valk-esque boat now and yet we're still left without anything remotely as awesome as the skyprom.
You've added 100kg to all the 2900kg valks awhile ago.
the X-1 is now the ultimate choice and all the other valks are moot the IDF valk has nothing on the X-1's reduced profile with its meager 100kg/5kN turbo thrust advantage and don't even get me started on the valk rune.
Its frustrating, you've added a bunch more insanely fast ships that are all very very good at hit'n'run attacks and still no effective counter measure to them (Rails still suck at their intended purpose).
The weight on the basic centurion variants is still ridiculous you'd think for a ship so much smaller than the vulture with a single small port they'd handle better instead they're made out of lead with EC like engines.
That last update was great don't get me wrong, keep stuff like that up but yeah the extra 100kg on the valks is a real bitchslap to the face now.
You just need to have as special of a relatinship with the devs as TRS does.
Perhaps this will help address your concerns.
Spidey, if you have some specific goals that you want to raise in a specific suggestions post, with an argument to back it up.. you're welcome to go do that. There's merit to focused debate on specific topics of limited scope.
But there isn't really a lot of value in general "I think X is not as good as Y" postings. If you have something to say, go post it to suggestions with a proposed solution.
But there isn't really a lot of value in general "I think X is not as good as Y" postings. If you have something to say, go post it to suggestions with a proposed solution.
I just wanted to bitch and figured this was the more appropriate place.
*/me kicks back and enjoys the show.
*/me kicks back and enjoys the show.
I support an itani Revenant linebacker variant, always have, and so do most if not all serco.
But that's not what you're after, you're after fighter/interceptor supremacy to the extreme, and it's absurd. You've said its absurd in the past yourself. I don't get it.
But that's not what you're after, you're after fighter/interceptor supremacy to the extreme, and it's absurd. You've said its absurd in the past yourself. I don't get it.
Yeah, I want a tank that's available to Itani pilots that's even sort of on par with the SCP. The closest thing is the Tung Taur and it's 150% the mass of a SCP and quite a bit slower.
The SCP is the only ship in its class. We're not even talking about the hair-splitting differences between the SVG and IDF valk's speed. Nothing else exists in the game with that kind of armor and agility. Period.
The SCP is the only ship in its class. We're not even talking about the hair-splitting differences between the SVG and IDF valk's speed. Nothing else exists in the game with that kind of armor and agility. Period.
hmm what are ye complainin' 'bout ?
http://www.vendetta-online.com/x/msgboard/14/28581
I don't think ye itanis are at any disadvantage here.
http://www.vendetta-online.com/x/msgboard/14/28581
I don't think ye itanis are at any disadvantage here.
I'd be happy with an elite bomber aka ragnarok instead of an itani prom or revenant
Thats cause bombing is all you do, greenwall. DeathSpores, what you see there is pilot skill, not ship. And iirc, there were only 3 SkyProms on the serco team.
An Itani heavy is sorely needed, nothing has been able to even come close to matching the SCP stat wise, let alone actually doing it ingame.
An Itani heavy is sorely needed, nothing has been able to even come close to matching the SCP stat wise, let alone actually doing it ingame.
I keep hearing Itanis saying that now we have a Valk (the SVG after the buff) so they want a Prom. Well, be honest. The SVG is still much inferior to the Corvult head on and the Corvult gets his ass handed to it by a Valk. I know a lot of you have beaten Valks in Corvults but that means nothing so dont even start.The Valk is still king. "The SVG is the new Valk" BS makes me laugh because the SVG is as much of a Valk as the Revenant is the Prom. All is even. The best Serco pilots who have years and years of experience still struggle to win even half the Nation Wars against Itanis no matter what ships they fly, be it SkyProms or SVGs and even the fact that most Itanis are really crap at pvp doesnt even matter because of how King the Valk is at nibbling our slabs of armor away bit by bit. We still dont compete, what you complaining about? Most of the Serco team had Proms in NW, and almost the whole Itani team survived because of how much of an easy mode the Valk is.All you do is turbo around all day and look for an opponent whos not facing you then hammer your 3! weapon ports into peoples backs. The Valk is so good that you guys dont even evolve, cause you dont need to, and youre far faaar from needing to.
And yeah, all greenwall does is swarm spamming.Of course he would be happy with an elite Itani Rag.
And yeah, all greenwall does is swarm spamming.Of course he would be happy with an elite Itani Rag.
It reveals what we always knew to be true, the itani do not value the valkryie for its vastly superior combat stats, they only valued it for its ability to run away at a whim.
Why do you think most of them overlook the IBG even though its massively superior to the valkryie in terms of maneuverability; they only have one pilot whos capable of using it properly.
Itani pilots deserve a good 2S/1L port ship, they really do, and when you see how terrible most of them are at it you'll wonder why we didn't ask for it sooner.
The reason each side needs solutions to the tank/interceptor problems is so that the teams don't play favourites between the different activities and ultimately avoid each other because of it.
Nation War was silly because the valkryie was so much more suited to it, the same could be said about conquerable stations and SkyProms. We don't want the Itani team avoiding station battles because they "don't have the right ships for that". The game population will suffer because of it and the last thing we want is a PvP game with everyone off doing their own chosen PvM activities because they want to do what they're best at.
On another note, it's completely real-world reflective that enemies in war do their utmost to respond to the technologies of their adversaries. That means as much as it is nice to have one faction good at light ships and one faction good at heavy ships it's not very reflective of how real world militaries would operate over a long period of time.
Why do you think most of them overlook the IBG even though its massively superior to the valkryie in terms of maneuverability; they only have one pilot whos capable of using it properly.
Itani pilots deserve a good 2S/1L port ship, they really do, and when you see how terrible most of them are at it you'll wonder why we didn't ask for it sooner.
The reason each side needs solutions to the tank/interceptor problems is so that the teams don't play favourites between the different activities and ultimately avoid each other because of it.
Nation War was silly because the valkryie was so much more suited to it, the same could be said about conquerable stations and SkyProms. We don't want the Itani team avoiding station battles because they "don't have the right ships for that". The game population will suffer because of it and the last thing we want is a PvP game with everyone off doing their own chosen PvM activities because they want to do what they're best at.
On another note, it's completely real-world reflective that enemies in war do their utmost to respond to the technologies of their adversaries. That means as much as it is nice to have one faction good at light ships and one faction good at heavy ships it's not very reflective of how real world militaries would operate over a long period of time.
the Corvult gets his ass handed to it by a Valk
A corvult can dance circles around a valk in head-to-head combat. It just doesn't have the endurance to chase one down. But we're not talking about those ships...
A corvult can dance circles around a valk in head-to-head combat. It just doesn't have the endurance to chase one down. But we're not talking about those ships...
everyone whining should be put to death!
I am going to grandfather in the serco pre SVG update into the put to death part as well along with spidey and greenwall....possibly arf
I am going to grandfather in the serco pre SVG update into the put to death part as well along with spidey and greenwall....possibly arf
Dear ARF, thats assuming youre bad enough to let the Corvult past 24 sunflares and a blaster.In which case, you deserve it.
Past? That 75m/s strafe is ideal for dodging rockets and controlling distance.
Anyway, I don't want a buffed up Revenant as an Itani "tank". The dumbbell shape of that ship makes it swing around too damn much for its mass/torque.
Anyway, I don't want a buffed up Revenant as an Itani "tank". The dumbbell shape of that ship makes it swing around too damn much for its mass/torque.
Oh hey this again.
"Nation War was silly because the valkryie was so much more suited to it"
How about trying to prove this wrong again? I'm thinking of this:
http://www.vendetta-online.com/x/msgboard/1/25235
"Nation War was silly because the valkryie was so much more suited to it"
How about trying to prove this wrong again? I'm thinking of this:
http://www.vendetta-online.com/x/msgboard/1/25235
I'm eagerly awaiting a list of ships that are "Valk-esque" and are "insanely fast ships that are all very very good at hit'n'run attacks"...because I'm not aware of any. Beyond the Awesome At Everything But Getting Right In A Prom's Face Valk.
The Hound has light armor, no spin torque, weak non-turbo thrust, and no third port/all ports in-line. Not exactly a combat superstar and only marginally better as a chaser than the Valk.
The SVG, despite recent buffs, simply is not on par with the armor and ports of any Valk, much less an X1/Vig/Veng.
Go back to smoking yourself retarded.
The Hound has light armor, no spin torque, weak non-turbo thrust, and no third port/all ports in-line. Not exactly a combat superstar and only marginally better as a chaser than the Valk.
The SVG, despite recent buffs, simply is not on par with the armor and ports of any Valk, much less an X1/Vig/Veng.
Go back to smoking yourself retarded.
What are you smoking, Lecter? The Greyhound has excellent non-turbo thrust. It's got more thrust than any of the Warhogs except for the WTD, and it's quite a bit lighter.
Relative to the low-level and/or non-combat Hogs, sure, the Hound's 20 Kg/N of non-turbo thrust seems pretty good. However, it's got slightly less than the top level combat Hog, the TD, and it's free bus spin torque means that it's ability to use that non-turbo thrust to effectively strafe is limited because it's rare that effective dodging requires a simple strafe.
More to the point, calling an elite level chaser Hog's non-turbo thrust "excellent" solely by reference to other Hogs alone is retarded. Here's the non turbo thrust vs mass of other relevant ships:
TD: 19Kg/N
SCP: 19Kg/N
SVG: 16KG/N
IBG: 13.75Kg/N
X1: 13.33KG/N
IDF: 12.89Kg/N
More to the point, calling an elite level chaser Hog's non-turbo thrust "excellent" solely by reference to other Hogs alone is retarded. Here's the non turbo thrust vs mass of other relevant ships:
TD: 19Kg/N
SCP: 19Kg/N
SVG: 16KG/N
IBG: 13.75Kg/N
X1: 13.33KG/N
IDF: 12.89Kg/N