Nice save, Wombat. Today, a Valk successfully used its tactical advantage to get its flag back from me, using range and speed, the things that the Valk was built for. I'd like to see more pilots use these tactics, as it made for a fun fight. :)

a 2 turreted centaur is taken down quicker then a 1 turreted prometheus, wouldn't they both be taken down at the same time?

But the prometheus needs some nerfing balls thrown at it, not as many as were thrown at the rail gun though.

The prometheus needs more inertia, not a slower turning rate, more inertia = more swervy ness = harder to aim

What we also need is an Advanced Charged Cannon, it should be pretty expensive but it's charge caps out at a very high number but takes well over 2 minutes to get there. An Advanced rail gun would be nice too.

Most of the people complaining about the Prom probably have never killed one. Try tactics, as someone said. Flying up against it and bumping into it will never kill it, and probably will kill yourself. Learn to boost around... Now for Ragnoroks, have 2 or 3 pilots ever teamed up to take a Prom down, or did your ego get in the way and you try 1v1? You have a couple Ragnoroks all unloading with turrets and/or missiles/rockets, and the thing will drop like a load of bricks. Believe me, Nihm and I did it.

Now, about those pilots whose egos prevent them from asking for help, well, there's hope for you to. It comes in the name of a hornet w/quad sunflare rockets. I took out Icarus and then Sandokan with the ship (admittingly, I docked between kills for more rockets). So try that... But jeez guys, try out tactics and get your teammates to help.

I agree, we do need an advanced rail and charged cannon. As for SirCamps. I've tried fighting a promy with tactics and i still get wasted by nukes. They scuicide at close range. The only way to hit them is from a distance. But then it's up to the luck of the draw. I read some forums about upping the damage on the nuke. Others didn't like this cause you could take out station guards too easily. I think upping the damage would be effective becaues they already take out any ship except for a few heavies. If they upped the damage and upped the health of the station guards you could effectivly solve the problem with scuiciding promys.

Yes, the way to get the promy is from a distance (or from behind) but when it can accelerate almost as fast as anything out there... it just keeps up with you. The "Monty Python" strategy against the Promy doesn't work to well. And I don't think you should HAVE to team up against a promy to take it down. If you clone yourself, you should have a tie between any valk/promy/pizza... but again, thats just my opinion and speculation.

The only problem I have fighting Prom's is you can't defeat them in one battle. You run out of energy and ammo first.

The only time I've faced Prom's we cleaned out the smaller craft and then double and tripled teamed the Prom afterwards, so I really can't say whether they are 'broken'. However, my first inclination is to say that they are just a tough ship.

Before I decide the Prom is broken, I'd have to try more nearly even fights and employ the sort of tactics against the Prom that I'd employ against capital ships. Try to keep the distance open so you can trade energy for distance between attack runs. Don't go nose to nose against it. Snipe and wait for it to make a mistake. It needs I would think a heavy engine to maximize its manueverability (at least if things are anything like 3.1). Try to get its batteries to run dry before yours do. But that's all theoretical. I can't claim that it can be done.

But until the other issues like nukes are cleared up, I'm not sure that anyone else can claim it can't be done either. And if it does turn out that the Prom is a little undercosted, so what? Serco is supposed to have a military advantage. And if it turns out that it is a big problem, I suggest that the problem still doesn't lie with the Prom but with the low ammo capacity of sunflares and the too high energy costs of most small energy weapons.

mind if i ask how "tactics" will work if you cant kill the mother fuc*ers fast enough to stop them from runny all pansish back to the station to gra

mind if i ask how "tactics" will work if you cant kill the mother fuc*ers fast enough to stop them from runny all pansyish back to the station to grab more nukes and repair? They need to turn like a brick. sllllllow. and it should take a heavy batt to get the thing up to full speed. i'm sayin it should hit 210 or what ever with ~50 energy left.

Lemme guess: You were fighting Icarus, or that little bastard-child he's spawned lately. We on Serco are trying to figure out what to do with him, because the BS coward tactics he uses are gonna get the Prometheus nerfed. >:( Icarus >:(

HELLO!!!! WHAT PLANET ARE YOU ON!!! I do NOT use nukes.. I use an Adv. Gattling Gun... what part of that don't you understand? It seems to me alot of people can't handle it bcos i have totally wasted them, so to ease their minds they just say i must have nuked them... It happend today.. some guy said to me "What the hell was that? Nukes?!" When in fact it was dual Sunflares in linked fire, with the Gat gun going... I wasted them within about 1 sec... But thats what happens if you get within 150m of a Prometheus... Learn some tactics you losers....

The Prometheus is supposed to be a Heavy Attack Ship.. you think you are supposed to survive attacking a heavy bomber in a light fighter at close range?!?! If i had a Valk i'd still waste everyone, cos i'd use tactics to maximise the advantages of that ship instead...

Probably ctishman. Urza, running back to the station to grab ammo and health is not a problem specific to the Prometheus. People use most any ship with a large port to nuke others. Even a Rag can survive a nuke hit. I personally have never fought a Prom that was using nukes. But then again, you were fighting him alone. Scenario:

1 prom vs 1 hornet, 1 rag, and one Wart Hog. Rag and prom both trade nukes, then rockets or ions, rag dies, prom is under 40%. Hornet has quad rockets, fires 3 volleys, two hit (8 rockets), prom is under 20%. Wart Hog finishes off with either homers, screamers, or ions.

Of course any one of the 3 ships could die, but I chose the Rag. If not, the Rag could have fired two nukes, which would have exposed the Prom to anything. Can we say, "DUH" <- you do not attack Prom's by yourself. Put your ego aside. Any ship with 28k hp isn't meant to be attacked 1v1. When frigates come out, you'll want those nerfed too,

-edit- Icarus and I posted at the same time... as much as I dislike you, Icarus, I have to say, "ditto!"

Ummm... I've survived two nukes in a bus without docking... :D Tradeship1 seems to run off whenever he takes a little damage (sorry, but it's true)... I've chased him down in my bus, and done a good amount of damage, only to have him dock, pop out, and kill me. It's really annoying and frustrating...

I have to admit that since i'm on the gold team i'm trying to find a ship that can match up against a prom. I'm not so scared of the valk. with some good skill they can be made short work of, and vise versa. Since all the golds have is a Neutral Maurder i'm trying to level the playing field for the rest of us. And the fact is that it is unfair. I've been killed almost 15 times today. and they were all by proms with nukes. i try to fight them but as soon as i get close to them they just nuke me. I have to agree and disagree with Icarus. I agree that icarus was using an advanced gattling to blow people to pieces. But as well last night he was nuking people. I got killed by them last night and i don't want to hear him say that he doesn't use nukes. I don't know of another weapon that has that huge of a shock wave. The prom is a Heavy Attack ship and the Valk is an advanced fighter, But all the gold have is a trade ship that gets you money you can't spend. I think it would be in every golds best interst if the Neutral Maurder was replaced by a heavy fighter or an advanced bomber. I'm not sure, but when everyone if flying around with valks and proms it bugs me that there isn't some special ship that I can effectivly use. Whats even more annoying is that when i ask what the best fighter ship is, everyone replys that they just love there new valk....Oh wow, that helps me out a lot. A little while ago Furball addressd this same problem and now i'm just trying to resolve it. I haven't seen a gold yet that is happy with the fact that we don't have a good special ship. It makes me so mad to see people switching nations just cause of the prom and valk. The gold nation needs something to be proud of too. Don't think i'm just here wining. I'm addressing a very valid subject and i don't need to waste my time getting shot down by people like Camps and Icarus. Unless you have tried a gold character i wouldn't go around saying that everything is just fine.

-DuctTape

Yeah, I just read the first few posts (suddenly most of you stop reading this!), but I'd just like to point out the the Promy is dedicated as a heavy bomber. So it bombs things. It was designed to do so. Continue to ignore me, just my 2 coconuts.

BTW SirCamps: You took out my Prometheus when it had 10% health left from battling in 4, i was closing in on the 7 station, and you station exploited on me.... Nice tactics... I don't think you'd ever take me down with one at full health in open space... ;)


PS: Yes.. i did use nukes ealier bcos i was so fed up of people accusing me of using them.. i thought .. what the hell.. and thought i'd show you what real carnage i could cause...

Fine...go ahead...nerf the Promy...see how populated Red nation stays then. We're already severely undermanned as it is...

The Promy already has less cargo than the Atlas, less weapon capability than the Ragnarok, and less maneuverability than either...take away its armor and it's worthless...Red no longer has a 'special' ship - just a special 3D model.

I don't think that the game should be "equal" because real life isn't "equal" in the least bit. Every nation is supposed to have something it's good at. Red is just supposed to be good at blowing the hell out of everything and living through it. Gold is supposed to be rich as s**t. Blue is supposed to be good at covering their own a** against all threats, but not taking too much of an agressive stance.

Oh, and to you people who think that running from combat to repair is a bad thing, just shaddup. It's life...not everyone wants to fight - they have the right to flee from combat. If they choose to pop out, fly to you, and shoot and run, then deal with it (as long as they're not exploiting by doing that real fast - if they fly more than about 100m, then they're no longer exploting.)....

And if they fire on you, and then run when you get the upper hand? And what if they do pop out, shoot off a nuke, and pop back in? Are we not supposed to complain?

I don't want to nerf the promy! But this is a game, not life. As a gold, being rich isn't any good it you don't have anything to spend it on. I could care less if nothing happens to the promy, but just give the gold a good fighting ship that they can hold their own with.

Pyro, don't complain...just go find someone else to kill...
If you think that they're gonna use a nuke, then get away before they come back out. That's what I would do.

Wombatula, how about an extremely modular ship for gold? Money should buy customizability. Give gold a ship with a special class of port and a special class of gold-only modules.

First of all, has ANY golds even tried the pizza cutter in battle tactics?

I didnt think so.

Ok the thing kicks A$$ if you can pilot the darned thing right, you can survive a promy/nuke suicide attempt too. NEVER TO THIS DAY have I seen a gold fighting somebody while in a pizza cutter, It annoys the sh*t out of me, use what you got then decide whether you need a "newer more improved" ship.

So far ive NEVER lost a pizza cutter in battle, Arolte bounded me in stat 10 but thats different... Think of it as the "medium" class special ship.