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just came back to replay vo!
3 days later i noted this :
CtC :
- [DELETED - please report such exploits using the bug reporter to avoid having them exploited further -FM]
- using UIT players to kill convoys instead of escort and protects.
Why devs allow UIT in CtC?
as long as UIT are involved in CtC it 's not fun at all.
the balance is broken. ( example : when 10 UIT help a side while only2 help the other side )
coz they could kill convoys for friends.
where is the "quality" Vo community?
using cheats and exploits = killing the game.
so actually i am off (once again) from CtC.
i can't play as long as things like this keep going on.
3 days later i noted this :
CtC :
- [DELETED - please report such exploits using the bug reporter to avoid having them exploited further -FM]
- using UIT players to kill convoys instead of escort and protects.
Why devs allow UIT in CtC?
as long as UIT are involved in CtC it 's not fun at all.
the balance is broken. ( example : when 10 UIT help a side while only2 help the other side )
coz they could kill convoys for friends.
where is the "quality" Vo community?
using cheats and exploits = killing the game.
so actually i am off (once again) from CtC.
i can't play as long as things like this keep going on.
I have to agree with Nya here. Cheating makes games not fun.
How is a uit player destroying a transport cheating? Besides, if you don't like CtC then don't play it, a lot of others seem to be enjoying it just fine. I'll give you the double cargo for destroying at wh's that's definitely a bug, but UIT should have just as much right to attack a transport as anyone else in the game. They are already shorted a weapon and there is nothing like CtC for the UIT only so it's already unfair to the to begin with. But your point of UIT involvement being your reason for not playing VO any more seems a bit rediculous.
Perhaps like the devs have said, once there new patch is in place for handling transports and such, there will be some sort of fix to CtC, why don't you simply wait and see.
Perhaps like the devs have said, once there new patch is in place for handling transports and such, there will be some sort of fix to CtC, why don't you simply wait and see.
first off, UITs are free to do as they please. UITs don't get to BP without invites, they don't get any rewards from CtC, hence, they do as they please. and from the backstory, this is how it should be. UITs need *something* to do, remove them from CtC as well and you might as well tell them to just go trade.
secondly, eh, take five. look around you. CtC isn't the end of the world. you want to look at exploits being abused then look at BP and crack botting. both of those exploits gave real advantages to the people abusing it. N3s? right, everyone has them if they bother stocking up, and hardly anyone uses them, which isn't too odd at all.
third, yeah, the CtC bug is silly and depressing. cheating, eh, well, compared to BP, no, not really. feel free to do the same, or feel free not to. if you don't do the same, the difference is that you're stuck without Xith, or huge amounts of cash -- depending on your exploit.
as for balance being broken, well, kinda funny one that. balance is a very rare thing in a contest like CtC when there are so few participants as VO has. when I started playing there was no balance at all, Serco (well, you-know-who) won five weeks in a row without breaking a sweat. the main aid was UIT and pulled a large amount of Xith every single week.
so, uhm, cheating is bad, but there seems to be a policy to deal with the game as the game is. how the playerbase deals with that is up to the playerbase. kinda ironic really. :-)
secondly, eh, take five. look around you. CtC isn't the end of the world. you want to look at exploits being abused then look at BP and crack botting. both of those exploits gave real advantages to the people abusing it. N3s? right, everyone has them if they bother stocking up, and hardly anyone uses them, which isn't too odd at all.
third, yeah, the CtC bug is silly and depressing. cheating, eh, well, compared to BP, no, not really. feel free to do the same, or feel free not to. if you don't do the same, the difference is that you're stuck without Xith, or huge amounts of cash -- depending on your exploit.
as for balance being broken, well, kinda funny one that. balance is a very rare thing in a contest like CtC when there are so few participants as VO has. when I started playing there was no balance at all, Serco (well, you-know-who) won five weeks in a row without breaking a sweat. the main aid was UIT and pulled a large amount of Xith every single week.
so, uhm, cheating is bad, but there seems to be a policy to deal with the game as the game is. how the playerbase deals with that is up to the playerbase. kinda ironic really. :-)
This is a tricky one. Normally I'd say any exploits are a bad thing however:
1) It has made group efforts far more valuable.
2) It has made people take more interest in CTC as an effort has to be made throughout the week.
3) Both sides have the same advantage/disadvantage.
4) people actually have to use heavy ship + escorts to hit the convoys over and over and some interesting logistical challenges have appeared.
Due to all these little effects it has made CTC much more fun. The fact that the Serco are outnumbered has little to do with the bug and a lot to do with the people in the game.
As for why this bug is here? Well I imagine it will be fixed soon when DELIVERATOR becomes fully operational.
1) It has made group efforts far more valuable.
2) It has made people take more interest in CTC as an effort has to be made throughout the week.
3) Both sides have the same advantage/disadvantage.
4) people actually have to use heavy ship + escorts to hit the convoys over and over and some interesting logistical challenges have appeared.
Due to all these little effects it has made CTC much more fun. The fact that the Serco are outnumbered has little to do with the bug and a lot to do with the people in the game.
As for why this bug is here? Well I imagine it will be fixed soon when DELIVERATOR becomes fully operational.
I saw quite a few people interacting that normally wouldn't. I don't see that as a bad thing.
1) On the contrary, it makes ALL efforts, whether they are group or individual, far less valuable. Because the exploit duplicates the cargo, the total number of units delivered to both sides was dramatically higher than it should have been: this means that whenever you make an effort and succeed in capturing units, that number is going to be a smaller percentage of the total number of units, and is therefore less valuable.
2) NO THE EXPLOIT DID NOT MAKE MORE PEOPLE TAKE INTEREST IN CTC. What made more people take interest in it was yodaofborg's decision to strive towards making Serco lose. I hope once the exploit is fixed yoda does it again: the more people that participate, the more fun CtC is. But I say again: it was not the exploit that made more people participate. If anything, the exploit made FEWER people participate, as some people don't like cheating or playing with cheaters.
3) Only if they both cheat, in which case the entire competition becomes null and void. Which is what happened. I quite frankly don't consider either side to have "won" - they both cheated, and therefore forfeited any right to claiming victory.
4) Heavy ships have been the best for CtC for a long time now, and the exploit didn't change anything in regards to that, as far as I can see. The same with escorts: I don't see any change. Escorts are helpful, but hardly required.
The exploit did NOT make CtC more fun. And it wasn't the existance of the exploit that destroyed the fun for me: it was the vast number of players that knowingly and unabashedly abused the exploit. That just pissed me off, and several nights I ended up logging off in a rotten mood after discussing it with players on both sides.
One side being outnumbered is of course unrelated to any bugs, but that really doesn't matter. I've never cared much about who wins or loses: the point is to have fun, and I can have fun even when I'm outnumbered and have no chance of winning. Fighting to the bitter end can be a blast. But when the end result is the result of cheating, it's neither a bitter defeat nor a sweet victory - the whole competition is just completely pointless, and I don't care about any of it.
I've actually been the closest I've been since starting playing VO to actually considering cancelling my account and playing something else - not because the exploit exists, the exploit in and of itself isn't all that big a deal to me - but because of the unashamed cheating going on on both sides. I can't understand anyone even wanting to cheat, and I don't want to play with cheaters. It just makes the whole game pointless.
2) NO THE EXPLOIT DID NOT MAKE MORE PEOPLE TAKE INTEREST IN CTC. What made more people take interest in it was yodaofborg's decision to strive towards making Serco lose. I hope once the exploit is fixed yoda does it again: the more people that participate, the more fun CtC is. But I say again: it was not the exploit that made more people participate. If anything, the exploit made FEWER people participate, as some people don't like cheating or playing with cheaters.
3) Only if they both cheat, in which case the entire competition becomes null and void. Which is what happened. I quite frankly don't consider either side to have "won" - they both cheated, and therefore forfeited any right to claiming victory.
4) Heavy ships have been the best for CtC for a long time now, and the exploit didn't change anything in regards to that, as far as I can see. The same with escorts: I don't see any change. Escorts are helpful, but hardly required.
The exploit did NOT make CtC more fun. And it wasn't the existance of the exploit that destroyed the fun for me: it was the vast number of players that knowingly and unabashedly abused the exploit. That just pissed me off, and several nights I ended up logging off in a rotten mood after discussing it with players on both sides.
One side being outnumbered is of course unrelated to any bugs, but that really doesn't matter. I've never cared much about who wins or loses: the point is to have fun, and I can have fun even when I'm outnumbered and have no chance of winning. Fighting to the bitter end can be a blast. But when the end result is the result of cheating, it's neither a bitter defeat nor a sweet victory - the whole competition is just completely pointless, and I don't care about any of it.
I've actually been the closest I've been since starting playing VO to actually considering cancelling my account and playing something else - not because the exploit exists, the exploit in and of itself isn't all that big a deal to me - but because of the unashamed cheating going on on both sides. I can't understand anyone even wanting to cheat, and I don't want to play with cheaters. It just makes the whole game pointless.
And let's not forget #5:
Ducks.
Ducks.
And let's not forget #6:
Don't post exploits to public forums.
Don't post exploits to public forums.
Let's not forget #7:
Game-wise, Nya has little moral base to stand on for making demands and pointing fingers. Specially since we've all agreed already that exploiting the CTC bug is bad and all those involved are going to Heck.
I also totally agree with Beolach on CTC as it stands right now. That thing has a cycle, it comes and goes and people's interest in it waxes and wanes. Yodaofborg got the spark lit up once more, and then he goes and finds the exploit and spreads the word. Dumb dumb dumb. Only good thing to come out of it? Nya isn't playing CTC!
Game-wise, Nya has little moral base to stand on for making demands and pointing fingers. Specially since we've all agreed already that exploiting the CTC bug is bad and all those involved are going to Heck.
I also totally agree with Beolach on CTC as it stands right now. That thing has a cycle, it comes and goes and people's interest in it waxes and wanes. Yodaofborg got the spark lit up once more, and then he goes and finds the exploit and spreads the word. Dumb dumb dumb. Only good thing to come out of it? Nya isn't playing CTC!
I didnt find it, as it goes, it was told to me, and then other people picked up on it, its so easy to do, I didn't tell anyone.
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When I lit the fuse, I didnt know about any exploit. I wont be re-lighting it till its fixed.
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When I lit the fuse, I didnt know about any exploit. I wont be re-lighting it till its fixed.
Beo, how come this CtC affair hits you that badly? I mean, the BP affair did a *lot* more to change the game. if you want to talk about playing with cheaters, have a peak at the cash generated from BP. that *will* matter in a new economy. N3s won't.
sorry but neut 3 is the best wp in game for a player like me (yeah i have only orion, serco and corvus standing).
so until i could reach the neut mk 3
i must use neut mk2 or the gauss mk2.
it's affecting my pvp. :)
PS : See why UIT should not be allowed in CtC :
actually there are more UIT players helping Itani than Serco.
they kill itani convoy and leave the cargos to their itani friends. that's easier than to protect and escort it.
+ the actual exploit. imagine how many cargos they could make in 1 days!?
so until i could reach the neut mk 3
i must use neut mk2 or the gauss mk2.
it's affecting my pvp. :)
PS : See why UIT should not be allowed in CtC :
actually there are more UIT players helping Itani than Serco.
they kill itani convoy and leave the cargos to their itani friends. that's easier than to protect and escort it.
+ the actual exploit. imagine how many cargos they could make in 1 days!?
Who cares if the UIT blow up an itani transport and give the cargo to another Itani player, UIT could do it for serco too, just don't want to!
that make the balance broken!
and i care! lol
UIT involved in CtC should lose a strong penality.
This is hard for us to distinct who is helping itani or serco!
Add a Title(on the name) + strong penality for nation opposed.
Stop making UIT the dumb nation that could able to jump on and off when&where ever they want.
and i care! lol
UIT involved in CtC should lose a strong penality.
This is hard for us to distinct who is helping itani or serco!
Add a Title(on the name) + strong penality for nation opposed.
Stop making UIT the dumb nation that could able to jump on and off when&where ever they want.
No real RP reason for the UIT to be disallowed from CtC either. The only thing Guild could really do is put up a 'magic wall' on the CtC bots to keep UIT from killing them, or something.
So stop complaining, CtC is the way it is because the Serco have made enemies with the wrong folks.
So stop complaining, CtC is the way it is because the Serco have made enemies with the wrong folks.
terjekv: For the same reason a pickup sports match matters even though it doesn't mean anything for the regular season.
No one plays CtC for the N3 - they play to have more captures than the other side. Substitute captures with goals and you basically have your everyday sport. And if a sport is as easy to cheat at as CtC apparently is, then it's frustrating and no fun.
Sure, you can get lots of money from BP, but that's irrelevant to someone who goes out to have some fun PvP.
No one plays CtC for the N3 - they play to have more captures than the other side. Substitute captures with goals and you basically have your everyday sport. And if a sport is as easy to cheat at as CtC apparently is, then it's frustrating and no fun.
Sure, you can get lots of money from BP, but that's irrelevant to someone who goes out to have some fun PvP.
Harry if UIT prefer to help itani!? okie
so give us something to distinct them.
something for us to kos them.
and give them a strong penality on serco standing...
so give us something to distinct them.
something for us to kos them.
and give them a strong penality on serco standing...
starfisher lol
i just say i do it for neut mk3.
and i known i am not alone.
really if you want to play cheats and exploits! believe me i could do better than you.
i just say i do it for neut mk3.
and i known i am not alone.
really if you want to play cheats and exploits! believe me i could do better than you.
No. UIT are supposed to be the lawless, disorganized group, who each have their favorites. They're not supposed to be a coherent 'nation'. Individual players can go back and forth between sides, for now. The new faction system will help rectify that, but we don't have that yet. So we deal with what we have.
Also, we hopefully are getting something which will mark certain players as red on the radar with a commandline thing, so you can keep track of your personal vendettas.
This isn't about being an arcade game with clearly defined boundaries. There are 'rules', but it's possible to get around them to an extent.
Nya, you know that edit button down there. Yeah. ¬_¬
And I don't quite understand why the N3 is so highly prized, the people who CtC for the N3 have to fly heavies to do so, and the N3 is a strictly light ship weapon. I fly heavies myself, so I don't care in the least about the N3s.
Also, we hopefully are getting something which will mark certain players as red on the radar with a commandline thing, so you can keep track of your personal vendettas.
This isn't about being an arcade game with clearly defined boundaries. There are 'rules', but it's possible to get around them to an extent.
Nya, you know that edit button down there. Yeah. ¬_¬
And I don't quite understand why the N3 is so highly prized, the people who CtC for the N3 have to fly heavies to do so, and the N3 is a strictly light ship weapon. I fly heavies myself, so I don't care in the least about the N3s.