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(1) Dr. Lecter was really *very* happy when Nya13 left the game sometime ago. Nya, your return is obnoxious, and I consider your presence surplus to requirement. Consider yerself flare fodder if/when I find you in-game.
(2) UIT are for hire. They can attack whatever they please. See, e.g., Serco's use of them against the Itani when cap ship battles have occured. Their participation is part and parcel of how VO is *supposed* to function. Point over, now STFU about that.
(3) Yes, there's an exploit. Yes, we all use it in CtC at the moment (a lot of us anyway). No, there's nothing seriously at stake (your interest in N3's is of insignifigant weight in allocating the Dev's time; stock up next time). Also, all of the points, supra, about how cool the CtC bug has made CtCing are very valid... this bug has done more good than harm to CtC and neglible harm to VO generally. You lose here as well.
(4) You're a NINNY.
(5) Go back under whatever rock ye'd crawled under before. And stop being Serco, ye make me bleedin' ashamed.
(2) UIT are for hire. They can attack whatever they please. See, e.g., Serco's use of them against the Itani when cap ship battles have occured. Their participation is part and parcel of how VO is *supposed* to function. Point over, now STFU about that.
(3) Yes, there's an exploit. Yes, we all use it in CtC at the moment (a lot of us anyway). No, there's nothing seriously at stake (your interest in N3's is of insignifigant weight in allocating the Dev's time; stock up next time). Also, all of the points, supra, about how cool the CtC bug has made CtCing are very valid... this bug has done more good than harm to CtC and neglible harm to VO generally. You lose here as well.
(4) You're a NINNY.
(5) Go back under whatever rock ye'd crawled under before. And stop being Serco, ye make me bleedin' ashamed.
add and NPC (like the marshall) for UIT players that want to particiipate in CtC!
You have to choose a side
so you will automatically appear as red (KOS) for the opposite nation.
after you are able to hurt the convoy.
You have to choose a side
so you will automatically appear as red (KOS) for the opposite nation.
after you are able to hurt the convoy.
Lecter++
Really, I agree with everything you said here. In fact, I'll go so far as to cooperate with Lecter on point 1.
Nya, really. We've been asking for the removal of ALL Friendly-Fire systems recently, and Incarnate has even agreed with us on it not being particularly beneficial, except for the protection of n00bs. So, we're keeping it for now. Quit yer bellyaching. There's no way that MORE friendly fire protection is going to get put in.
Really, I agree with everything you said here. In fact, I'll go so far as to cooperate with Lecter on point 1.
Nya, really. We've been asking for the removal of ALL Friendly-Fire systems recently, and Incarnate has even agreed with us on it not being particularly beneficial, except for the protection of n00bs. So, we're keeping it for now. Quit yer bellyaching. There's no way that MORE friendly fire protection is going to get put in.
dear Dr lecter i do not play this game to see your monkey face!
Let us please attack the argument and not it's author.
thats funny to see all the itani and UIT friends involved in this topic and saying how they are getting fun using exploits. lol
cheater cheat for their fun.
typical.
cheater cheat for their fun.
typical.
My char is Serco. I CtC for Serco. I do not think it's wrong that the UIT are joining with the Itani. Does it makes for more of a challange? Yes.
Unfair? No.
As Jex said, wait a couple weeks and all the player dynamics will have changed, again.
Unfair? No.
As Jex said, wait a couple weeks and all the player dynamics will have changed, again.
I don't know about that. I haven't used the exploit once, even if I am Itani. You're just bellyaching about not being able to win.
Really. You've run out of ideas to make the game 'better' and now you've resorted to name calling.
Typical.
Really. You've run out of ideas to make the game 'better' and now you've resorted to name calling.
Typical.
Well I would like to support nyas point of view with a minor change.
In stea dof calling people a cheater ill ask for the other things he stated by making it an option. Namely chosing a side by officially declaring themselves as tied into the wellbeing of 1 of both dominions (serco - itani). But in stead of making it impossible to shoot transports if you are not officially declared make in it this way that if you shoot a side without officially taking a side you will plummit both factionstanding. Then when you deliver the cargo to a side you will gain back a small fraction of the standing (so netto a very negative inclination). Since why would people trust somebody who is considered to be neutral (he could just as well have done it to the other side) and be seen as a liability.
Now if you choose a side you will be able to attaign above 800 factionstanding with the nation of interest. But you will plummit your other one. So you favor Itani, you will be able to lift it above 800 and see your serco drop to -1000. Since they will hate you now for chosing their enemies (and reverse).
On top of that add the dependable factionstanding (meaning impossible for a serco to have more then a neutral standing with both major factions (itani and serco) and reverse and with a limitation on UIT faction of admired). Now the advantage of the UIT will be that they will be able to go to admired with all factions (so together, but if they wanna become pillar of society of either serco or itani they will have to pick one and naturally still retain the ability to become pillar of society for UITs).
Then put all nationspecific ships above an 800 standing. So that UITs can get other nation specials by helping them in pvp while the serco or itani will never be able to get the UIT specials for their use no matthe how much they tried.
And maybe if needed later on you could even add the same option for itanis wanting to be aligned with serco and vice verso.
In stea dof calling people a cheater ill ask for the other things he stated by making it an option. Namely chosing a side by officially declaring themselves as tied into the wellbeing of 1 of both dominions (serco - itani). But in stead of making it impossible to shoot transports if you are not officially declared make in it this way that if you shoot a side without officially taking a side you will plummit both factionstanding. Then when you deliver the cargo to a side you will gain back a small fraction of the standing (so netto a very negative inclination). Since why would people trust somebody who is considered to be neutral (he could just as well have done it to the other side) and be seen as a liability.
Now if you choose a side you will be able to attaign above 800 factionstanding with the nation of interest. But you will plummit your other one. So you favor Itani, you will be able to lift it above 800 and see your serco drop to -1000. Since they will hate you now for chosing their enemies (and reverse).
On top of that add the dependable factionstanding (meaning impossible for a serco to have more then a neutral standing with both major factions (itani and serco) and reverse and with a limitation on UIT faction of admired). Now the advantage of the UIT will be that they will be able to go to admired with all factions (so together, but if they wanna become pillar of society of either serco or itani they will have to pick one and naturally still retain the ability to become pillar of society for UITs).
Then put all nationspecific ships above an 800 standing. So that UITs can get other nation specials by helping them in pvp while the serco or itani will never be able to get the UIT specials for their use no matthe how much they tried.
And maybe if needed later on you could even add the same option for itanis wanting to be aligned with serco and vice verso.
I use the exploit a lot and I'm having a wonderful time. :P
Seriously though, it's made the ctc to be a far more interesting event imo.
Before the bug, 1 guy in a warthog swarm the convoy, grabs cargo runs away.
After the bug
You now have to kill it at precise moments and have only a few seconds.
You have to be close to it with energy/rockets to pull it off
You have to protect it through storms
You have to also protect your own courier who may be horribly overloaded.
And you have to do all of that through several systems.
This is why group work is now quite important. Not so much the exploit but because you may have to protect, the convoy through storms or your teammates 30tonne centaur through 2 systems.
Finally every convoy is now important, especially if you are behind in the cargo count, because every convoy could make or break the final result.
Seriously though, it's made the ctc to be a far more interesting event imo.
Before the bug, 1 guy in a warthog swarm the convoy, grabs cargo runs away.
After the bug
You now have to kill it at precise moments and have only a few seconds.
You have to be close to it with energy/rockets to pull it off
You have to protect it through storms
You have to also protect your own courier who may be horribly overloaded.
And you have to do all of that through several systems.
This is why group work is now quite important. Not so much the exploit but because you may have to protect, the convoy through storms or your teammates 30tonne centaur through 2 systems.
Finally every convoy is now important, especially if you are behind in the cargo count, because every convoy could make or break the final result.
I see two ways to respond to this:
1. This is a perfect example of someone thinking everything they aren't sucks, shouldn't be allowed, etc. So what if there are more UIT than anyone else? They have to change if they want to play the game! Its *their* fault for picking UIT since they started, some of them since Nya had even heard of this game. Lets make them pay for being different!
2. Nya, you're right, its all unbalanced in Itani/UIT favor. Maybe you should make your point like BLAK did by leaving? Yes, espite there being a 3:1 Serco:Itani ratio of devs, they're all out to get you Serco. They're trying to make this game so that 1/3 of everyone who plays it DOESN"T HAVE FUN! It's a genius business plan, really.
1. This is a perfect example of someone thinking everything they aren't sucks, shouldn't be allowed, etc. So what if there are more UIT than anyone else? They have to change if they want to play the game! Its *their* fault for picking UIT since they started, some of them since Nya had even heard of this game. Lets make them pay for being different!
2. Nya, you're right, its all unbalanced in Itani/UIT favor. Maybe you should make your point like BLAK did by leaving? Yes, espite there being a 3:1 Serco:Itani ratio of devs, they're all out to get you Serco. They're trying to make this game so that 1/3 of everyone who plays it DOESN"T HAVE FUN! It's a genius business plan, really.
momerath's PLAYER character is Itani. His testing/debug character is Serco.
Just thought I'd clarify that for smit.
Just thought I'd clarify that for smit.
Yeah, but it makes for a better argument if I treat him as Serco :P
Ok I know we are not supposed to flame other people, but Dr. Lecter's post is hillarious. I didn't laugh this hard about a post in weeks. Go Lecter!
My character shows as UIT, yet most everyone here knows I am a pirate, a time ago I fought on the side of the Serco fiercely, was a member of SAF before it disbanded. Yes I have used the exploit. Yes the Itani are benefitting from my actions. Am I doing this for the Itani? No, I have told them that. I am doing ctc for ME, for my enjoyment, for my own reasons, as a pirate my only loyalty is to myself and my brethren pirates. Yes its great fun, I have fought and managed to deliver to Divinia with Serco hot on my heels, they can vouch for that. If I was successful we laughed over it, if I wasnt, we laughed because I was bested that time. In short we were having FUN. The exploit will be fixed and people will find something else they dont like, they always do. Just my thoughts on things. :-)
I agree, Mystic. I too am not doing it for the Itani. I'm doing it for my own reasons.
nevermind your arguments are total craps
really this game need to fix the UIT statment.
yes they could do everything but
they have to choose a side before to able to hurt an itani or serco.
add a NPC in UIT station where UIT players could choose :
drop itani / serco nation standing. once it's done they will be able to hurt them.
appearing green in radar should not allow them to hurt us at start.
really this game need to fix the UIT statment.
yes they could do everything but
they have to choose a side before to able to hurt an itani or serco.
add a NPC in UIT station where UIT players could choose :
drop itani / serco nation standing. once it's done they will be able to hurt them.
appearing green in radar should not allow them to hurt us at start.
I just hope Nya's first language isn't english.
For the record, you totally missed the point and direction of my previous post, but I think at this point you've proven that you're not here for a discussion.
Oh well.
For the record, you totally missed the point and direction of my previous post, but I think at this point you've proven that you're not here for a discussion.
Oh well.
uit are supposed to be nutral-ish pirates and profit mongers we are supposed to be able to play both sides at once or pick one side for our own reasons (be that money or loyalty or whatever) having to pick a side and stick with it would take a lot of what being uit is about away we wouldn't be uit we'd just be serco or itani with diffrent colored flags.
[quote]I just hope Nya's first language isn't english.[/quote]
Nah, it isnt, he's French.
[quote]but I think at this point you've proven that you're not here for a discussion.[/quote]
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Nah, it isnt, he's French.
[quote]but I think at this point you've proven that you're not here for a discussion.[/quote]
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