I don't know if anyone else here shares the experience with me, but through a sudden turn of fate, or an uncontrolably violent impulse, I attacked a UIT trader. At the time, I neither had the wit nor mental capacity to observe the fact that: the trader was in good UIT standing and had 1 worse weapons license than me, and that I was still within the no-fire zone of a UIT station. In an instant, my standing with the UIT was transformed to a peaceful, and somewhat cooperative relationship, (+6 or 7 hundred), to a mutual hatred of the guts, (-857). As I later found when attempting to regain standing through mass botting, it is quite impossible to regain severe standing loss. Not only are strike forces sent after you when you enter 'enemy' territory on a botting mission and you have to go extremely far every time you want to repair, but the standing increases at most +1 with every bot. Either faction regaining should be more possible, and I use the word possible in all correct definitions, or faction standing decrease should not be so severe. The former would be preferable as it might procede to assist my sorry cause, but the latter could at least save others from my same fate. The UIT functions hugely as a base of CtCing and trade for Itani, and without its assistance, the highest yield trade missions and convienent weapon and ship stops cannot be obtained. I have to all the way to Itan to find a decently civilized Nuetron MKIII. Anyway, the only thing left to say is: Please?

its doable, make sure you have a -fast- ship and stick to Edras, its mostly unmonitored and if you just get away from the bots, you're safe.

All unmonitored entrances to UIT space was removed due to public whining, in order to prevent people such as you from having a too easy time.

almost the exact same thing happened to me, except it was an npc trader that i attacked. you can get into uit space throught azek-latos wh. botting is the only way to get it above -600, but there are many faction stations in azek, so you can have a home station close to uit space, in fact IN it

Spider, I think you mean verasi. Verasi is mostly unmonitored. Stay in unmonitored space and you want have strike forces on you.

Aye, Kid. I meant the Edras entry -> verasi is the problematic one.

its doable, its good practice.

As for that, There are -many- of us that have done just this, and seeing posts like this feels like an insult.

I also want to protest. Why should the Serco hate me just because I murder people at their stations? It was temporary insanity. I was beaten as a child. I have space-cancer.

Please put my Serco standing back to +200. I promise I won't station camp Catequil Outpost. No really! You can trust me.

Similar thing happened to me when I was teaching an Itani newb how to dodge rockets (yeah yeah laugh all you want, I swear my intentions were pure!)

I think there should be some kind of "penance" mission first-time offenders should be able to take to recoup at least some of the drastic faction loss.

I'm sorry if I've offended you Spider, but I must also put in one more word. There is a UIT station in the sector of Edras with the wormhole to Varesi. If you even try going there, you have an escort of 4 or 5 Aerna Seekers and other assorted bots.

As for the penance mission, I would definitely encourage the guild software managers to consider it, if any of them happen to be reading this thread. The only problem with the penance, would be how to get it. I mean, if you can't enter the station, it's going to be pretty hard to get a mission!

It sounds rediculous, but maybe if you could hail the Aerna Seekers, they would give you the option. This would be only one way you could work it, although any way to fulfill the purpose of regaining massively lost standing would suit me. If anyone has any other ideas, please don't hesitate to post them here.

A mission is good, as long it is only doable once (combined, if you do it to both Itani and Serco, sorry, bot), and only raises you back to -599... and only for UIT players or Itani/Serco trying to raise UIT.
I guess the UIT one could be offered at Remley (TPG station in Latos), Serco in Helios, and Itani in Edras.
The seekers are very easy to avoid if you're just running from them. Just run as far as you can in an infiniboost ship.

Aerna seekers can rather easily be killed as well, and then getting away from the StrikeForce is quite easy . (note that they will spawn more if you are still in the sector) So really, getting away from it isn't bad.

why is there all this fuss?

you can EASILY get into uit space by way of the latos-azek wh and there are non uit stations in azek to home in. Botting is and should be the only way to get standing up. how stupid could you be, going around killing people in monitored space and not expect to work for it (not meant as a flame, more as a statement of fair gameplay)

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nope, i don't buy it.

i'd rather see this problem fixed by making the faction system quasi-zero-sum (the general idea has been suggested before). as such, different factions would be grouped together or opposed. when doing missions or botting for a given faction, you'd gain a smaller amount of standing with any grouped factions and lose a smaller amount of standing with any opposed factions; likewise, when you do something that pisses off a given faction, you also lose a smaller amount of standing with any grouped factions and gain a smaller amount of standing with any opposed factions.

however, the quasi-zero-sum part comes in the form of caps. for example, let's say TPG is grouped with Tunguska and UIT and opposed to Corvus. the caps would not limit how much standing you could gain with TPG, but rather would limit how much your work for or against TPG could affect your other factions; that is to say, if your Tunguska standing was 500 or greater, you wouldn't get any further improvements just by working for TPG, and likewise if your Corvus standing was -500 or worse you wouldn't lose any more standing by working for TPG.

the rationale for this is that i don't think it should be possible to get locked out of a faction's stations without doing something that specifically offends that faction (not just doing things that offend the faction's allies), and likewise, i don't think one should get access to a faction's best goodies without specifically working for that faction. (also, for practical purposes, it should be impossible to get to the state of being locked out of every faction's stations.)

as for groupings, they should reflect political and economic alliances and rivalries; thus, for example, Tunguska would be opposed to the other mining corp (Orion? i can't remember), each corp would be grouped with UIT and opposed to Corvus, and so forth.

It definitely makes it more realistic, but I don't like the idea of having to lose standing, just to gain it. I'm sorry, but I have to draw the line at making the game as realistic as possible there.

I'm just not willing to have to work up the standing with one faction EVERY time I want a good ship from them, and then work it back up with the opposed faction every time I want a good ship or weapon from them!

I would like to see a way to bribe your faction back up. Like 3mil to get good faction. (600+)

I second the idea, although it's not nesecarily bribing, it's just that people like you if you give them money.

I'm sure all the time-weathered players of this game will immediately disagree on the grounds that it makes it too easy for newbies to get excelent standing, but honestly, how many newbs walk around with 3,000,000 credits in their accounts?!?

Sure, but the standing should wear off gradually in a week or two.

I think people with bad standings, should have to go to sensitivity training. : )

can't we all just get along - just do everyone

Actually I like the bribe idea a lot. If you are a trader or other mostly harmless person who accidently has blown your standing somewhere you shouldn't have too much trouble paying off a bribe of, say, 1mil credits. It will however stop the persistent PKers from potentially abusing the bribe option to gain standing. Most people heavily into PvP should know better and don't often have 1mil lying around.

Also don't forget that if you blow your standing with a minor faction there's no way to get it back.

Maybe make it so it can only get you to -599 or so. (maybe -500 in case you have a mind blank and abort your first trade mission :P)

If you're a newb then your chance of accidently killing someone isn't terribly high and I'd have to ask why you're trying to kill someone anyway.

@Person:

one of the points of linked standing gain/loss is to make it impossible for any individual to be admired by all factions simultaneously, thus obliging people to need to think a bit about which goodies they want to pursue. more variety!

besides, if you really must mount Faction Weapon A on Opposed Faction Ship B, just work up your faction A standing, stockpile a couple hundred As, then work up faction B and be done with it.

I don't like the idea of linked/decaying standing. I do not wish to spend 50% of my time doing Trade Guild missions for Serco to keep my Prometheus. (slight exaggeration)
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