Today Agy rapidly tried to ram me with his vult in s18 to bring my stats down. When i was trying to kill some def, he shoot me, and after that he rammed me, which caused both of us dead (in the same time), but it comes that way:

Ciuciu killed Agy
Itani standing increased ...
Neutral standing decreased ...
Corvus standing decreased enormusly (from +800 to +100)
Agy killed Ciuciu

Now, in spite of that he killed me he didn't loose his standing (i checked this after that) due to my lag, or just that I was first in quee...

/me thinks it's quite unfair...

This probably wants to be in the suggestions forum.

The devs haven't finished the faction system (or if they have they haven't released it yet) and it will be much better than what's currently out there. Part of playing a test is uncompleted aspects are often unfair. The devs certainly know this so it may make more sense to post creative solutions, or more rare situations.

What he said.

[moved to suggestions]

Make the server wait for one second after a kill to see if the other one dies too, in such a case: no drop/increase in anything.

I think that standing should drop when player continues to shoot after 1st warning as well as at death.

You should not have to kill person to lose standing. Continuing to fire upon a person after warning should not be tolerated.

Gotta love that poetic justice, Ciuciu.

Actually, the faction system as it stands kind of echoes real life.

I disagree, randomize. However, I do think self defense should be implemented. Not just being required to damaged the person, but just to shoot in their general direction. Like maybe have an octree around every player that detects whether they're being fired on.

PS: Not to start a flamewar, but Ciuciu has locked other players out of sectors in a similar fashion. I don't really have a problem with it, and as some people have said this is only a test. Just have a little fun and return the favor to your enemies.

=)

I rammed you in 2% hull vult to get killed ?

As far as i remember i was running from you in a vult with 100% and you, icarus and other ppl just kill me..

Besides organisation in that sector msg you if you attack a player who i loved there.. It's not my fault that you can't read :/

[double post]

I have crazy suggestion. I understand that it will not be implemented shortly before the release, because devs already have their plan, but any way, for your consideration gentlemen.

Since vendetta is MMORPG, what about making human based faction system, rather then computer based? It could work the following way.

Each character has its own black list. If he dislikes the other char for ANY reason, he puts him on his black list. When his list is changed, it is synchronized with server database, and chars standing is calculated based on how many people have him on their black lists. If there are more than some critical amount of people of one nation who dislike the guy (for example > 50), he becomes the enemy to whole nation.

I agree with Ciuciu, this is getting out of hand. I'm locked out of S17/18/9/7 because i defended myself when i was attacked without provocation. Most of the time i just have to run.
What about when it's opened up again, and we have n00bs coming in...
What do we tell them? "Oh yes, <whoever>'s a n00bgriefer, but he gets away with it becaues he bots for 6 hours every day. Sorry we can't kill him for you, and neither can you."

and zhuk: that's an exceptional idea. So much so that i've gone back in time to have it on another thread ;)

Zhuk is completely right! I am tired of how many accounts got fscked because of some tard ramming me and my defending myself to be locked out of a sector.

as a person who has personally botted myself from -1000 criminal vs. itani to neutral, and several times from disliked to respected, I actually think the recovery is both possible and doable.

The TPG standing is pretty bad since you cannot recover it at all.

However, I also think Ciuciu should shut up since he's the one who's been chasing others around in damaged ships, took fights and never repaired just to get others locked out of stations.

So true. Sorry, didn't wanna say it, but someone had to. Thanks for taking the flak, Spider.

/me runs away

i second that, spider.
although a painful and tedious process, it is doable (you have to have lots and lots of patience).

tpg needs a sector with bots. dead ends are possible if they are labeled explicitly as such (if you do THIS, you will never ever be able to do THAT with your present char or summat).

and yes, ciuciu has not got the moral high ground on this.

Lets leave Ciuciu's ingame actions out of it. Despite what he does inagme he has addressed an important point.
I think a player based faction system on top of the current one would be nice. It would work sort of like the reviews on EBay. If members who are loved by a faction rate you favorably (on a scale of 1-10) your standing can go up anywhere from slightly to noticably depending on how many and how positive the rating.

Ciuciu we are here to test, this includes such things.

<flame>
And hey my real reason was to get your standing down.
I did it because youre doing this all the time with any players around. Youre not fair and its hilarious that you made to post.
I got lots of money, and many congratulations and i still think ive done the right thing.
</flame>

I like zhuk's idea, thats the only way to handle standings. Since a computer isnt able to decide if it was fair, self defense or whatever. Further .. we need some kind of police bots, which fly around in the sectors and if you kill someone in their sensor (which should maybe only 1000m) range they will engange you until you leave the sector.

This whould create nice "good/bad" character attributes. And you can classify pirates, trader and Fighters depending on the shiptype (of the victim).

And in my opinon the current fraction system represents some kind of "mafia" ... If you kill a member of a Mafia (say corvus) they dont care what he did. But it counts that youve killed him. And the 'killer' will have problems in those mafia sectors, since everyone can kill him there with assistance of the local station owners.

- AgY

> <flame>
> And hey my real reason was to get your standing down.
> I did it because youre doing this all the time with any players around. Youre not fair and its hilarious that you made to post.
> I got lots of money, and many congratulations and i still think ive done the right thing.
</flame>
You said that I do it all the time.. with all players.. now tell me.. who else (except Phoenix) did I locked out on purpose by attacking him and dying ?

Besides I didn't make that post because YOU issued on me, but because we issued on each other IN THE SAME TIME and lag decides who lost standing and who doesn't

SO i don't see anything hilarious here..

Moreover you started a new fashion: to lock everybody else from opposite nation out by issuing on them... Today for example Mephisto chased me in s6, s11, s18 and s17 in 5% centurion (and vulture) just to lock me out.

I also belive that you had a good reason to ban such an unfair players like "psonic shadow" and ramdomblast.. (and prapobly few others..)

Ok.. it's EOT for me ATM..

One more thing, how about changing a little current standings:
1000: 900 Loved (huge penalty 300 - 800 )
900: 600 admired (noticable penalty 100 - 300)
600: 300 liked ( slight penalty 50 - 100 )
300: 0 neutral (no penalty)

The change here is to make a little penalty for killing a respected players (which is greatly exploited ATM)