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Addon - Target Scrambler
This addon would cause all non-group members, in a given radius, to target the user of the addon. This addon should either have a large energy requirement to use or a cooldown, to prevent spamming it.
To compare this to other games, it would be similar to a taunt skill or something that pulls aggro in a wide area.
This should allow for the use of less conventional ship loadouts, in a group setting, than might otherwise be feasible if you had to always be dodging your own set of attackers.
One downside to this addon is that it obviously reduces the number of weapons the user can take with them and gives them a lot of extra attention. This should be balanced by the ability of group members to better manage the encounter.
It should affect players the same as bots, however, it would obviously not have quite the same effect since it can't dictate who the player can attack. At best it could serve as a distraction while they take a moment to re-target their intended prey.
To compare this to other games, it would be similar to a taunt skill or something that pulls aggro in a wide area.
This should allow for the use of less conventional ship loadouts, in a group setting, than might otherwise be feasible if you had to always be dodging your own set of attackers.
One downside to this addon is that it obviously reduces the number of weapons the user can take with them and gives them a lot of extra attention. This should be balanced by the ability of group members to better manage the encounter.
It should affect players the same as bots, however, it would obviously not have quite the same effect since it can't dictate who the player can attack. At best it could serve as a distraction while they take a moment to re-target their intended prey.
I can see a lot of value in this suggestion. I would suggest limiting its effect to nonshielded ships, as I could see pulling a capital ship or levi's attention being negative to the game. Once the shield is down, I don't think it matters. Perhaps also require the user to remain within a specific range of the affected ships?
+1 Making all weapons from anyone not grouped with me, target me would be incredibly fun. I imagine i could make people inadvertently kill all sort of targets. Should be 20 grid only, and use of it should kill the turbo of the user.
Um...you could very simply render this addon useless with plugins. If all it takes is to retarget your original target, that's a matter of under a second with a plugin. If this is to have effect, it should force the victim to "lock target" on the user for a period of time, say 15 seconds.
I'm generally in favor of the game adding more electronic countermeasures and other radar/sensor scrambler addons, i don't really think this one is a good idea. Sid123 gave one good example of why.
I feel that worrying about PvP uses of this addon and methods of defeating it is missing the intent behind it. It's primary purpose is intended to be for use in PvE.
I think it would be unlikely that anyone would choose to use this in a serious PvP setting. The fact it could be defeated by a plugin isn't really an issue since I already indicated that at best it could be a distraction in a PvP encounter. It could even be made to not work against players, but i think this steps into the realm of majik that is generally avoided.
Sure, as We All Float mentioned, it might be possible to use it to make others shoot targets they weren't intending. However, they would need to not be paying attention in the first place and actively engaging in PvP for this to be a useful strategy. At which point I feel it's justified use.
I also feel that locking the affected's target is going a little to far. Even in other games, taunt skills don't typically have a locking mechanism and general hate rules still apply. Especially when used against players, what would be the purpose of doing this?
I don't know how the hate mechanics work in this game, but I have observed bots switching targets with little provocation. If it's merely a matter of who shot me last then this might work better with an enhanced hate system based around a number of factors, to include amount of damage inflicted. But, again, that wouldn't have any effect on players.
I think it would be unlikely that anyone would choose to use this in a serious PvP setting. The fact it could be defeated by a plugin isn't really an issue since I already indicated that at best it could be a distraction in a PvP encounter. It could even be made to not work against players, but i think this steps into the realm of majik that is generally avoided.
Sure, as We All Float mentioned, it might be possible to use it to make others shoot targets they weren't intending. However, they would need to not be paying attention in the first place and actively engaging in PvP for this to be a useful strategy. At which point I feel it's justified use.
I also feel that locking the affected's target is going a little to far. Even in other games, taunt skills don't typically have a locking mechanism and general hate rules still apply. Especially when used against players, what would be the purpose of doing this?
I don't know how the hate mechanics work in this game, but I have observed bots switching targets with little provocation. If it's merely a matter of who shot me last then this might work better with an enhanced hate system based around a number of factors, to include amount of damage inflicted. But, again, that wouldn't have any effect on players.
It could also be used for standing exploits in nations space...like if someone is firing swarms at a person they have a self-defense warning against, but the addon makes them shoot another player and tank their standing. I think there's enough exploits that trolls in the game use with standings, without adding more.
Interesting idea but I have enough trouble targeting in game as it is. To have it re-target after I select a target will just be annoying. If it's truely for PvE then maybe it needs to effect NPCs only.
Sid123 said:
...if someone is firing swarms at a person they have a self-defense warning against, but the addon makes them shoot another player...
Once a missile is in flight, it's target is locked and can't be changed.
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csgno1,
I think you might be confused about how the addon would work. It wouldn't cause you to re-target, it would cause everyone around you (that's not in your group) to target you. Basically you're calling everyone names and insulting their mother to the point that they want you dead.
...if someone is firing swarms at a person they have a self-defense warning against, but the addon makes them shoot another player...
Once a missile is in flight, it's target is locked and can't be changed.
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csgno1,
I think you might be confused about how the addon would work. It wouldn't cause you to re-target, it would cause everyone around you (that's not in your group) to target you. Basically you're calling everyone names and insulting their mother to the point that they want you dead.
Once a missile is in flight, it's target is locked and can't be changed.
A volley of swarms takes around a second to fire. If the target is changed in this period, missiles of the same volley fly at different targets. And it takes just 1 missile to get a self defense flag. So there is a lot of potential to exploit it.
A volley of swarms takes around a second to fire. If the target is changed in this period, missiles of the same volley fly at different targets. And it takes just 1 missile to get a self defense flag. So there is a lot of potential to exploit it.