Currently, the trident and goliath have the same turbo max. my suggestion is to decrease it to 125. The goliath is the faster at reaching maximum turbo, but isn't overall faster then the trident. Seeing as the goliath has been changed into a more nimble and survival focused ship, i feel the larger stronger vessel overall should be slower, not as fast as its easier to build, lighter goliath cousin.

Yea, im not down with going any slower

-1

then ill make a suggestion for goliaths to go faster, if enough -1s happen.

-1

The goliath is light weight and gets up to speed faster. That makes it faster by default. You can always outrun a dent in a Goliath. Unless you make a tactical mistake. In fact, I think the trident should have a higher top speed than the goliath due to the number of engines it has.

The goliath has 15,000N of thrust. The trident only has 10,000N. The trident is already nerfed.

More engines doesn't mean higher top speed. Semi trucks can't reach higher top speeds then a car can, even though its engine is almost double the size of a cars.

Goliath: has six small thrusters

trident: has two large ones on the sides of it.

the goliath has been forced into the role of a light, nimble ship that out runs the trident, which is a larger capital ship with higher firepower, and overall just stronger then a goliath. The trident being able to outrun the goliath in a contest of speed doesn't make sense when it already trumps it in every field except the one the goliath was made more.

trident takes a lot to build, because its a massive ship compared to a goliath. more armour, more weapons, stronger shields. it should be slower then a goliath, the ligher and less heavily armed of the two. i'd be super okay with the trident having a higher top speed, if it reached said top speed slower than it does currently.

it should be slower then a goliath

It is slower than the Goliath because it has so much more mass. It is already nerfed. Type M's rarely reach their top speed because of how long it takes to get there.

. Semi trucks can't reach higher top speeds then a car can, even though its engine is almost double the size of a cars.

That is because how much mass they are hauling. Ever seen a semi without the trailer? Those things can go FAST! (though they then go faster then the speed rating of their tires)

Truck racing is a thing btw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnHWL-J-3KE

Now I know inc doesn't like real world comparisons, but I'll mention that most aircraft carriers go slower than their top speed so they don't outrun their battle groups. Being large doesn't mean slow. Heck, an Iowa Class battleship was able to do 35.2 knots. You are going to be hard pressed to find naval warships in a battle group that can go faster than that. Having more engines to power the ships is kind of an important thing with ships.

More engines means the trident can more efficiently divide the work load. Which should give it a higher overall speed.

"That is because how much mass they are hauling."

and the mass tridents carry is much greater than a goliaths. the differences being a trident cant take off the trailer.

and the mass tridents carry is much greater than a goliaths. the differences being a trident cant take off the trailer.

So we can both agree that tridents are already nerfed because of their mass, and thus are already slower. Making this thread pointless.

No, we agree that the trident which takes what? Three times as much to make weighs more, which means it's slow.

Yup, it is slow. No need to make it slower. Can you give me three good reasons why you want to nerf it? The only way I would be OK with slowing down the dent is if it was given more armor and more shields and more cargo space. And another turret and more grid.

Reason 1: currently the trident, as I've stated, max turbos the same as a Goliath. If a trident debuff is bad then I'll make a seperate thread involving a Goliath max turbo buff.
Reason 2: why is a ship that's already a juggernaut capable of going the same maximum as a Goliath? Goliath should be faster, or the trident should be slower. As you've stated we all float "Type M's rarely reach their top speed because of how long it takes to get there." why do you defend that it keeps its max turbo speed if it rarely reaches it?
Reason 3: currently the only bad spots I can tell that this debuff would really hurt is odia to sediba, azek to Latos, Latos to azek ( I don't go to Itan or serco).

This debuff would ONLY affect how well a trident hunts a Goliath, a goli can't take a trident in a head on fight, and a Goliath shouldn't be going the same max speed as a Goliath.

I agree. Let's slow down the Goliath. 120 sound good?

145-150 sounds good to me. Agreed?

Build a dent and try to fly one before making such a suggestion.
Facts:
A Trident cannot catch a Goliath easily.
A Goliath cannot take down a Trident easily
This is balanced enough.

-1

-1

The reasons given are nonsensical.

"build a dent and try to fly one before making such a suggestion"

I don't have too. I've fought and been chased by them.

"The reasons given are nonsensical"

Care to explain?

-1 If anything the trident should be slightly faster but take longer to get to that speed.

For what reason?

Nonsensical - having no meaning; making no sense.

The two ships are currently balanced. The trident has better firepower. The Goliath faster acceleration. If a trident were to take on a Goliath, only a new or unpracticed Goli pilot would not be able to escape. If the Goli takes on the Trident, the former will likey lose unless the Goli pilot has friends. Or at least competent ones.

Changing their relative speeds throws them out of balance.

I'm guessing you lost your Goliath to a Trident again :-)

"The two ships are currently balanced. The trident has better firepower. The Goliath faster acceleration. If a trident were to take on a Goliath, only a new or unpracticed Goli pilot would not be able to escape. If the Goli takes on the Trident, the former will likey lose unless the Goli pilot has friends. Or at least competent ones."

the goliath is made to run, therefore its only balanced that the goliaths maximum turbo should be higher. the trident has armor, firepower, and currently the same maximum turbo. in what way is the trident being overall slower the goliath make it unbalanced? as you said the only way a trident would lose is if its maximum turbo is decreased? it wouldn't, but the thought of a trident and not a goliath being debuffed is unthinkable to trident owners.

"I'm guessing you lost your Goliath to a Trident again :-)" ive lost my goliath to a trident many times and killed tridents before. has nothing to do with this suggestion.