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Roll back queen changes from 1.8.475
A while ago, a certain group of players were dragging stronghold queens into deep space with their capships, to prevent other players from killing leviathans.
After this, the stronghold queens were greatly buffed to deter players from doing this with update 1.8.475:
Hive Queen top speed increased from 140 to 180
Hive Queen turbo thrust increased from 1640 to 16400
Hive Queen braking thrust increased from 1290 to 12900
Stronghold-specific Hive Queen blaster powercell drain increased from 80 to 160
This made the queens really zippy and annoying, to the point that they're the most agile ship despite their size.
Some time later, they were set to defend the levi and as such, are now leashed to the levi and can't be dragged out, so this update now only serves to make them stronger than they should be. (Imagine if Tridents had these stats).
After this, the stronghold queens were greatly buffed to deter players from doing this with update 1.8.475:
Hive Queen top speed increased from 140 to 180
Hive Queen turbo thrust increased from 1640 to 16400
Hive Queen braking thrust increased from 1290 to 12900
Stronghold-specific Hive Queen blaster powercell drain increased from 80 to 160
This made the queens really zippy and annoying, to the point that they're the most agile ship despite their size.
Some time later, they were set to defend the levi and as such, are now leashed to the levi and can't be dragged out, so this update now only serves to make them stronger than they should be. (Imagine if Tridents had these stats).
Killing the levi should be hard. Stronghold queens should be harder to kill than static queens. I say keep all the changes in place. I recently bombed a levi and had no real issues deshielding them. Yes, sometimes your swarms end up going past them; but that is just the queen defense matrix doing its job.
I agree hive tech is super powerful and unknown to us they should have an edge over the normal guys tech wise. There are many ways to kill a leviathan. You can still do it solo with a lot of skill and work. Or find some guys to bomb it bomb the strong hold queens only need about 2-4 swarm rags to do it.
People still solo them today.
People still solo them today.
I think killing a levi should be an hard group effort
It is. And it still takes a great deal of skill solo. Levis are fine as is right now
I don't think this necessarily makes them OP, it just becomes annoying and with all the zippiness, someone with a high latency might have a really tough time even deshielding one.
I don't think queens make the levi OP, the tough part about a levi is the levi, it has powerful shields which is the aspect that requires group work, not the queen's(IMO).
Maybe there's some middle ground that could be reached regarding the thrust, the drain and speed seem fine.
I don't think queens make the levi OP, the tough part about a levi is the levi, it has powerful shields which is the aspect that requires group work, not the queen's(IMO).
Maybe there's some middle ground that could be reached regarding the thrust, the drain and speed seem fine.
I agree that stronghold queens are truly annoying.
Queens are way too agile for their size, so their agility should be reduced, but not neccesarily reverting all changes.
Turn rate should be reduced, as well as acceleration, and strafing speed.
I often encountered that when I stacked swarms at them while they attacking npc dents the queen simply strafed behind the dent, causing swarms to hit the dent, deshield it sometimes and starts to shoot me, which is really annoying. And most of the time the queens are near the levi, so you not just have to deal with the difficulty and annoyance of queens, but dodge or deal with the immense concussive force the gausses has on the levi.
Or queens simply dodge all swarms, when happens once okay, but when does 4 times in a row, thats truly annoying!
So the stats regarding to its agily should be halved, or at least reduced to a reasonable level. Turbo speed should be reduced as well to 160, because at full turbo its can be hard to catch them in a ragnarok full of heavy missiles.
Queens are way too agile for their size, so their agility should be reduced, but not neccesarily reverting all changes.
Turn rate should be reduced, as well as acceleration, and strafing speed.
I often encountered that when I stacked swarms at them while they attacking npc dents the queen simply strafed behind the dent, causing swarms to hit the dent, deshield it sometimes and starts to shoot me, which is really annoying. And most of the time the queens are near the levi, so you not just have to deal with the difficulty and annoyance of queens, but dodge or deal with the immense concussive force the gausses has on the levi.
Or queens simply dodge all swarms, when happens once okay, but when does 4 times in a row, thats truly annoying!
So the stats regarding to its agily should be halved, or at least reduced to a reasonable level. Turbo speed should be reduced as well to 160, because at full turbo its can be hard to catch them in a ragnarok full of heavy missiles.
Levi’s queens should be left as they are, because of the fact it’s meant to be a group work.not just some solo little mission for anyone to do so keep changes for the best -1
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The queens are fine as is. I did the levi a few weeks ago and while the queens were "zippy," the three of us worked together and got it done. As far as people with high latency having more issues than those without, I certainly hope the game doesn't end up nerfed to cater to their deficiencies.
The queens are fine as is. I did the levi a few weeks ago and while the queens were "zippy," the three of us worked together and got it done. As far as people with high latency having more issues than those without, I certainly hope the game doesn't end up nerfed to cater to their deficiencies.
The point seems to have whooshed over a few heads.
The queens are still easy to complete, they don't require a group. They had a thrust increase because capital ships would deep space them, however they now are not allowed to stray too far from the levi so it doesn't make a lot of sense to keep it at the current levels.
Again, those stats don't make it harder to levi, just annoying.
The point about latency was speculation, Inc could easily debunk it.
PS: People in this thread seem to want levis to stay group efforts. Since they are fine with it in its current form where it's easily soloable, I might just make a suggestion to buff it's shields and guns.
The queens are still easy to complete, they don't require a group. They had a thrust increase because capital ships would deep space them, however they now are not allowed to stray too far from the levi so it doesn't make a lot of sense to keep it at the current levels.
Again, those stats don't make it harder to levi, just annoying.
The point about latency was speculation, Inc could easily debunk it.
PS: People in this thread seem to want levis to stay group efforts. Since they are fine with it in its current form where it's easily soloable, I might just make a suggestion to buff it's shields and guns.
It would be cool if the stronghold queens would actually engage anyone who attacking them, after the shields drop. Instead of just sitting there and taking it. Put those gats and posis to good use.
WAF, meaningful changes like those would be way better than keeping the thrust high.