It takes a lot to build a trident type m as compared to Goliath.
But Goliath has 600 cu space and Trident has 800 cu only?
If you just compare the Rbh amount - goliath need 27rbh / trident needs 102 alone.

Players are choosing to build Goliath over ttm's, goliath cargo space should be 1/4 of the trident.

Or increase the parts required to build Goliath.

I would actually say the complete opposite, Golis have 2 turrets with capital class weapons while the dent has 4. The Goli should be more of a big Moth and the Dent should be combat focused.

Combat focused are you joking ?

A swarm/gemini equipped rag can deshield both dent/goli in a single run. But goliath can dodge the missile and run because its faster , unlike trident.

Goliath is faster , 600 cu space , 3 turrets , 1 large port - requires 27 rbh
Trident is slow , just 800 cu space , 4 turrets , 1 large port - requires 102 rbh

You kidding me ? Even that large port should be removed from goli.

Devs should increase the parts requirement for goliath. ( if they dont want to nerf goli or buff trident )

What heinii said. The goliath is more of a light cargo carrier. It sacrifices offensive for its cargo and speed.

The dent has high firepower at the sacrifice of speed and some cargo space, it all seems fair.

The dent has high firepower at the sacrifice of speed and some cargo space, it all seems fair.

Yep, its fair to you and all your friends who building goliath or has it already.
But not fair to the trident owners who put more time/effort into building it.

Devs should fix this by increasing requirements parts needed for goli build.

Are you a trident owner?

I'm not building a goliath, nor do I plan on building one. Nobody supports your idea, so that's a good indicator that it's fair.

No, I don't have a trident yet.

I'm not surprised I know players like you and all Goliath owners are going to dislike this idea.
So go and tell the rest of your Goliath buddies to -1 this before inc fix this.

This is a obsolete argument. As stated in a previous thread incarnate said something along the lines of capital ships do not have a combat role yet. There are already plans in work for capital ships so instead of making these suggestions that have been made plenty of times before we get off their backs and let them guys work.

I own a goliath and I agree. Tridents should have larger cargo space compared to a goliath by far. But combat wise for whatever it is now between capships? Goliath has been nerfed time and time again and it is still more combat effective then a trident simply because of its ability to weave in and out of combat range and stay shielded. One of the things inc talked about was increasing cargo space of capital ships. I disagreed with the previous nerfs because of the fact how much is being taken away from the goliath. But I'm okay now considering the fact the goli can STILL deshield and kill a trident with just two turrets and a large port. If you enjoy being slow, high fire power and large hp and shield trident is for you. But if you enjoy the speed, medium fire power and thrill of capital battles the goliath is for you. It's always been that smaller more agile ships can deal large if not crippling to fatal blows on larger ships simply because they can't hit them. Replacing the cargo size of a goliath isn't going to do anything but lower it's worth, it's a easier manu and a good stepping stone for players who want to build tridents at a good pace and do so safely. It's my opinion that this entire post is just a rant from trident users or people who have friends that use tridents. There has never been a single person suggesting the goliath be buffed because we who use them know that it wouldn't take much to kill them. so yea, personally I don't see a problem atm since you get 2 more turrs then any available capship, you actually get to use all of your turrets, you have what? A 1mil+ hp? Large shields (should be larger in my opinion) 200+ cargo (which can be negated by the undock exploit) and your virtually a flying fortress in your own right. I see problems involving all capital ships. Not a problem sith goliaths specifically. Stop with the bias opinions on why your +1 or -1ing and look directly at what effects both =)

At this point you are just attacking us and not discussing the suggestion, BumBleb.

You have the choice between a trade focused and a combat focused cap ship.
The Goliath needs less things to build but also has less to offer.
The Trident already has more cargo space and cap ships are really hard to kill anyways.

Also deshielding does not equal death, just for your information.

Nope, not fair at all to charge 75 more rbh to trident owner for just 200 extra cargo space. This is the reason players are choosing to manufacture 4x Goliath kit with 108 rbh instead of a trident.

It's not just 200 more cu. It's the strongest player ship in the game and that comes at a bigger price.
Accept it or don't build one.

"It's not just 200 more cu. It's the strongest player ship in the game and that comes at a bigger price.
Accept it or don't build one."

Trident is not the strongest ship in the game.
You and all your friends who cooperate with you in game and forums should accept that my demand is fair.

Tridents should have 1200 cu

The Trident has 1200cu with the XC loading thingy, right?

And of course the Trident is the (currently) strongest player owned ship in the game.
Also I don't cooperate with anyone on the forums or in the game lol.

I think this thread is useless anyways because cap ships will get an overhaul soonTM and you should just wait and see what it brings. I think they might even get more cargo space. So just sit back and wait for that update.

https://www.vendetta-online.com/x/msgboard/1/35260

Here is the link to that.
Incarnate talked about the future of cap ships.

I think they might even get more cargo space.

He ALREADY has been. Threads like this are pointless because he's already talked about adding these tthings.

"He ALREADY has been. Threads like this are pointless because he's already talked about adding these tthings."

It's pointless to argue with me, leave this decision on the developers.

This is a thread. It's open for argument to anyone who wants too. Pointless thread.